ZOS, please verify that Justice System will be 100% optional for provisioners
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Just want an official ZOS response that we will still be able to loot all barrels, crates, baskets, produce, etc. in the game without participating in the Justice System.
Or, a response that we need to cancel our accounts now.
Either way.
edit: clarification on my question:
My question is asking: "If I press ESC > Options > Gameplay", will there be a checkbox / setting called "[ ] Enable Justice System"
And also, if that setting is unchecked, that my provisioner will be able to loot every single crate, barrel, basket, etc. in the game (as they can now) with no repercussions.
Or, a response that we need to cancel our accounts now.
Either way.
edit: clarification on my question:
My question is asking: "If I press ESC > Options > Gameplay", will there be a checkbox / setting called "[ ] Enable Justice System"
And also, if that setting is unchecked, that my provisioner will be able to loot every single crate, barrel, basket, etc. in the game (as they can now) with no repercussions.
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ThatHappyCat✭✭✭✭✭Obviously not all, given that some of them will now belong to people. But they have confirmed that there will still be plenty of unowned containers to loot.onlinegamer1 wrote: »Or, a response that we need to cancel our accounts now.
Don't be so dramatic. We're not in kindergarten anymore. I hope.
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Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭Most barrels, crates and stuff littered about won't have any "owner" it wont effect you unless you steal directly from some guys shop for example.- Veteran Combat Librarian -2 -
kongkim✭✭✭✭✭They alrady gave you the answer on that in ESO live. See that and you get the answer on the question.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I agree, confirmation is needed, because I actually was assuming it meant the opposite; ie, if you opt-out of the Justice System, those barrels and crates would just not be interactable at all.
However, it may not be as bad as you think. Only containers at stalls and within houses and stores are likely to be "owned", whereas barrels and crates at the docks, around the marketplace (but away from the stalls) would not be. Also, the barrels and crates within delves, caves and ruins would not be owned either.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Potenza✭✭✭✭✭They probly are not going to add more barrels and crates in the game to accommodate the justice system and are going to utilize the existing containers. So us provisioners are going to have to be careful. I just know Im gonna get nailed stealing by accident with this system. Not looking forward to it.7 -
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✭I'm going to assume that not ALL barrels, crates, baskets, produce, etc. will be lootable without stealing. For example inside of a NPC house or behind the counter of a merchant.
I get a lot of my ingredients from dungeons and overworld zones and I don't assume those will be stealing. Did you ever play ES before ESO?
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✭My question is asking: "If I press ESC > Options > Gameplay", will there be a checkbox / setting called "[ ] Enable Justice System"
And also, if that setting is unchecked, that my provisioner will be able to loot every single crate, barrel, basket, etc. in the game (as they can now) with no repercussions.
Pretty simple question for ZOS to answer.11 -
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✭Simple but ridiculous. I would assume no, you cannot choose to "opt out" of the justice system.
Edit: Well we'll see about the "opt out" option although it would be very lame. Players would be playing two completely different games in that case. Not very fair if you ask me if some are "opting out".Edited by Cuyler on December 8, 2014 4:59PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »Just want an official ZOS response that we will still be able to loot all barrels, crates, baskets, produce, etc. in the game without participating in the Justice System.
Or, a response that we need to cancel our accounts now.
Either way.
The answer is no you will not be able to loot all containers. There will be some containers in the game that CAN ONLY be stolen from. However, the provisioning system is being completely revamped in a way that will make this not an issue for provisioners. There will be plenty of containers that are not owned.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »They probly are not going to add more barrels and crates in the game to accommodate the justice system and are going to utilize the existing containers. So us provisioners are going to have to be careful. I just know Im gonna get nailed stealing by accident with this system. Not looking forward to it.
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✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »Just want an official ZOS response that we will still be able to loot all barrels, crates, baskets, produce, etc. in the game without participating in the Justice System.
They have given that reassurance multiple times.
They are probably fed up of constantly saying it in threads.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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ItsMeToo✭✭✭✭✭When you quit, may I have your stuff?FYI - There is no such thing as 'night capping' in a world wide MMO.FYI - There was no paid Beta. When they launched the game the Beta was over, even if you don't think it was.FYI - It's B2P not F2P. There is a difference.FYI - It doesn't take any player skill to mash keys or buttons in this game. The ones that stay alive longer have the better internet connection and speed.FYI - The game is not broken, it still works. It just has 'bugs' that need to be fixed.Balance is a "Bad" thing.
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Nihil✭✭✭I think the response was some of the items will now be owned, but that there will still be containers that can be looted that won't be part of the justice system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mInroRu6C-s
1:11:30 Is about when he talks about it.0 -
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ItsMeToo✭✭✭✭✭FYI - There is no such thing as 'night capping' in a world wide MMO.FYI - There was no paid Beta. When they launched the game the Beta was over, even if you don't think it was.FYI - It's B2P not F2P. There is a difference.FYI - It doesn't take any player skill to mash keys or buttons in this game. The ones that stay alive longer have the better internet connection and speed.FYI - The game is not broken, it still works. It just has 'bugs' that need to be fixed.Balance is a "Bad" thing.
Example: There were hundreds of Jedi and only two Sith in Star Wars. The Jedi wanted, "Balance in the Force" and they got it. Now there are only two Jedi and two Sith.
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✭✭✭✭✭Think of it this way:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
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Gix✭✭✭✭The entire post reads: "I just want to loot everything without consequences"
Don't be an idiot; you already know the answer to your question. You might as well cancel your subscription right now since that's the only other alternative that you're willing to accept.
A good reply but, unfortunately, he specifically said: "I want my provisioner to able to loot every single crate, barrel, basket, etc. in the game (as they can now) with no repercussions."I think the response was some of the items will now be owned, but that there will still be containers that can be looted that won't be part of the justice system.Edited by Gix on December 8, 2014 4:41PM7 -
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✭Think of it this way:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
Stealing is not possible; looting an owned container is not possible, looting an unowned container is fine
No, it should be:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Because, if you read my signature, all I do is PvP and stock up potions and food in order to PvP. The "stocking" process is not very long right now, which means I can get pretty quickly to PvP. Making me take longer to restock due to some stupid new system I can't opt out of = making me do !@#$%^ work in order to get to the fun.12 -
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✭✭Doubt you will be nailed by "mistakenly" stealing stuff since there will be a visual notification stating you're committing a thievery. Moreover, no, it won't be opt out. As long as you steal & get caught, you'll be hunted.
In any case, we're going to go on guard killing rampage especially at the beginning so it'll be easy to steal stuff ^^.Edited by TehMagnus on December 8, 2014 4:40PM1 -
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✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »However, the provisioning system is being completely revamped in a way that will make this not an issue for provisioners.
Where is this stated as fact rather than the 'an idea we had but have not committed to yet' thread on these forums?
Have source? I would like to read it if so - because a lot of people say the above but I have not seen anything definite stated by ZOS yet.Edited by Islyn on December 8, 2014 4:47PMMember of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
Nihil✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »Think of it this way:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
Stealing is not possible; looting an owned container is not possible, looting an unowned container is fine
No, it should be:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Because, if you read my signature, all I do is PvP and stock up potions and food in order to PvP. The "stocking" process is not very long right now, which means I can get pretty quickly to PvP. Making me take longer to restock due to some stupid new system I can't opt out of = making me do !@#$%^ work in order to get to the fun.
At the same time they are stream lining it so you won't be (hopefully) looting as much useless stuff, so with this restriction on what containers you can loot (we aren't sure what all will be owned and what won't), you will now have less possible items to loot.0 -
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✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »Think of it this way:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
Stealing is not possible; looting an owned container is not possible, looting an unowned container is fine
No, it should be:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Because, if you read my signature, all I do is PvP and stock up potions and food in order to PvP. The "stocking" process is not very long right now, which means I can get pretty quickly to PvP. Making me take longer to restock due to some stupid new system I can't opt out of = making me do !@#$%^ work in order to get to the fun.
At the same time they are stream lining it so you won't be (hopefully) looting as much useless stuff, so with this restriction on what containers you can loot (we aren't sure what all will be owned and what won't), you will now have less possible items to loot.
If what you say is true (that it'll be a wash as far as time goes), then it would be great for ZOS to verify that.1 -
kongkim✭✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »Think of it this way:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
Stealing is not possible; looting an owned container is not possible, looting an unowned container is fine
No, it should be:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Because, if you read my signature, all I do is PvP and stock up potions and food in order to PvP. The "stocking" process is not very long right now, which means I can get pretty quickly to PvP. Making me take longer to restock due to some stupid new system I can't opt out of = making me do !@#$%^ work in order to get to the fun.
that would just be stupid like that. So many is look forward to this system so don't think one post change much here
But the make the new prov. system so wait and see how that go if it will be easy.2 -
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I was answering your question based on the information that I believe to be true, not saying what I think it should or shouldn't be. Most people who have answered you here agree that you will not be able to loot every container if you turn the justice system off. You asked the question, and have been provided the answer. All that remains is for ZOS to confirm one way or the other.onlinegamer1 wrote: »Think of it this way:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
Stealing is not possible; looting an owned container is not possible, looting an unowned container is fine
No, it should be:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Because, if you read my signature, all I do is PvP and stock up potions and food in order to PvP. The "stocking" process is not very long right now, which means I can get pretty quickly to PvP. Making me take longer to restock due to some stupid new system I can't opt out of = making me do !@#$%^ work in order to get to the fun.
Whether you approve of that system or not was not part of your initial question.
With the revamp coming to provisioning anyway though, it may work out no worse than it currently is.
(btw, your signature does not say that all you do is PvP. It just lists 5 toons and their professions)UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »However, the provisioning system is being completely revamped in a way that will make this not an issue for provisioners.
Where is this stated as fact rather than the 'an idea we had but have not committed to yet' thread on these forums?
Have source? I would like to read it if so - because a lot of people say the above but I have not seen anything definite stated by ZOS yet.
You quoted something I said, but put someone else's name on it? I am going to assume it was meant to be directed to me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mInroRu6C-s
The provisioning revamp was mentioned at some point in this.Edited by timidobserver on December 8, 2014 4:51PMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Nihil✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »Think of it this way:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
Stealing is not possible; looting an owned container is not possible, looting an unowned container is fine
No, it should be:
Current Status
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Justice System Enabled
All containers lootable; looting an owned container is stealing, looting an unowned container is not stealing
Justice System Disabled
All containers lootable; nothing is owned, nothing is stealing
Because, if you read my signature, all I do is PvP and stock up potions and food in order to PvP. The "stocking" process is not very long right now, which means I can get pretty quickly to PvP. Making me take longer to restock due to some stupid new system I can't opt out of = making me do !@#$%^ work in order to get to the fun.
At the same time they are stream lining it so you won't be (hopefully) looting as much useless stuff, so with this restriction on what containers you can loot (we aren't sure what all will be owned and what won't), you will now have less possible items to loot.
If what you say is true (that it'll be a wash as far as time goes), then it would be great for ZOS to verify that.
Ok I can't find where I saw that update 6 will contain the provisioning update so that would probably need to be verified but the original concept was (if you hadn't seen the thread not sure if you did).
This was from the concept thread and they said they were going to go with it for the most part.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We’re considering a significant revamp of Provisioning, and we’d like to get your feedback on it. Our goals with this proposed change are to improve the experience of collecting ingredients, to get away from the idea of tiered components, and to make brewing more useful. In a nutshell, we want to allow you to utilize every basic foodstuff you see in the game with cooking.
Ingredients- Cooking: What You See Is What You Get
- You see grapes, you get grapes. You see cheese, you get cheese. No more clicking on a sack of green beans and getting aged meat.
- Brewing: Based on container type (barrels, sacks, and crates)
- Brewing ingredients will be broken up by closed container type to keep them useful and to avoid overlap with cooking.
Functionality- Food and drink categories will have clearer usage
- Cooking: Meat = health, fruit = magicka, vegetables = stamina
- Brewing: Alcohol = health, tea = magicka, tonic = stamina
- Combination recipes will be rarer, require more ingredients, and give multiple benefits as expected
- Example: Rabbit (meat) and carrots (vegetable) may be combined if you have the Rabbit Stew recipe, and the result provides both a health and stamina pool increase (somewhat less than what a pure health or pure stamina food would provide, as in the current system).
- The regeneration benefit of drinking will now stack with food benefits (some balancing changes may occur)
By having ingredients sourced in clear ways and using combinations of food items instead of tiers of ingredients, we will be able to cut the number of ingredients in half while still providing just as many recipes as we have now (if not more). This will require most, if not all, of the existing recipes to be changed to accommodate this new paradigm.
Our current plan is to replace existing recipes and Provisioning items with the ones from the new system, matching quality as much as possible. Any additional unused basic ingredients from the previous incarnation of the system will be changed to “stale” versions of themselves, and we’d like to include some way to offload them that provides value.
We realize this is a major change and that many of you have invested heavily in leveling up Provisioning and collecting recipes, so we wanted to get your feedback before proceeding. We feel this would be a major improvement to the game and want to hear your thoughts on the matter!Edited by Nihil on December 8, 2014 5:00PM0 - Cooking: What You See Is What You Get
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✭✭✭✭✭My concern about looting containers for e.g. provisioning mats is that I don't have a problem with being caught by a NPC guard and being pursued for stealing, as per ES games, but as someone with no interest in PvP I have no desire to open the wrong container and find myself enabled for PvP.
I assume that owned containers (as well as NPCs) will have some kind of indication that they are part of the justice system so that they can be avoided if desired. I certainly hope that's the case.1 -
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✭✭✭✭My concern about looting containers for e.g. provisioning mats is that I don't have a problem with being caught by a NPC guard and being pursued for stealing, as per ES games, but as someone with no interest in PvP I have no desire to open the wrong container and find myself enabled for PvP.
I assume that owned containers (as well as NPCs) will have some kind of indication that they are part of the justice system so that they can be avoided if desired. I certainly hope that's the case.
1.6 will introduce no PVP. The Justice system will be entirely PVE at the start.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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