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Normal DSA is way too difficult

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  • pppontus
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    leandro.800ub17_ESO wrote: »
    The problem is not difficulty but the time it takes. Again i need a good guild to do this cuz random group always breaks after round 6 or 7

    Yes, it was created to be just that. The only really, really long content in the game. If it took 30minutes it would be called a veteran dungeon. ^^
  • TehMagnus
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    Lord_Kreegan wrote: »
    The inevitable Elitist Vs. Normal human being arguments... how we love them.

    NOT.

    When all the normal folks leave, the subscription base will be next to non-existent, the doors will close, and the elitists will have no game to play. And since they are their own worst enemies; when there is nobody left for them to lord it over, they'll get really, really depressed.

    So, they will move to another game where they can feel elite and start the same arguments all over again.

    Guys, it's a GAME!! It exists for one reason only (as far as we're concerned): to have fun!

    Hopefully, the devs at ZOS will get their heads out of their oral orifices and properly balance the gameplay for everyone. Until then, if it bothers you too much, unsubscribe and wait until they fix things. If they don't fix things, then don't come back (vote with your pocketbook).

    Most normal players welcome a challenge, stop assuming, just because you're a "normal player" that everybody just wants an easy game where they can steamroll everything. There are solo games with "tgm" console commands for that.

    It's also kinda laughable you claim doors will close when "normal players" are gone. From what I hear WOW is full of Elitism yet it's still going on quite strong.

    This maybe because your definition of Elitism covers any and everyone who is looking for a challenge in a game and to get better at a game while playing it which actually is the majority of players.

    It's a game, it exists for one reason only: have fun. And challenge is fun. Trying hard and having the satisfaction to finally complete the instance where you spent hours trying is fun.

    If your fun is "easy game pew pew I steamroll everything without even trying hard", you shouldn't be playing MMORPGs.

    DSA normal is EXTREMELY easy, heckeven DSA Vet is easy now with the "unintended" changes to stage 9...
  • Rune_Relic
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    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
    Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.

    VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.

    So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.

    Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
    Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.

    Good job completely dodging the question.

    Thought I answered the question quite clearly.
    Veteran for the highly skilled pro players.
    Normal for everyone else.

    Like i said previously, apparently veteran isn't for the veterans. Lets look back on previous nerf this complaints. First you have the 1-50 areas and once you have made it through that you go into veteran ranks. Based on your words "Veteran for the highly skilled pro players. Normal for everyone else." the veteran ranks should have been left alone right? Now were they left that way? The answer is no and you know why? It's because the "normal players" couldn't stand that they were unable to complete it and so it ended up getting nerfed thanks to people like you.

    Now DSA was specifically designed to be difficult on both normal and veteran difficulty, it isn't supposed to be a cakewalk for people. Apparently the "normal players" like things to be cakewalks because they want this nerfed as well. If you can take anything from previous decisions made by Zenimax, it is that they listen to the whiners. You saying that veteran is for the veterans while normal is for the normal people just isn't true seeing as the stuff for the veterans are being screwed with to appease the crappy players.

    Can't wait to see you completely ignore facts just to make your point.

    Point out to me one sentence where I commented that Veteran mode should be easy hard or orgasmic ?
    If you want to reply to me...reply to what I wrote. Dont reply to statements I havent even made. Reading comprehension is invaluable on a forum.

    For the third time....I dont give two [snip] about how hard or easy vet mode is. I will never be leet enough for that kind of content nor would I pretend to be. I dont have the time to be that good as some of you awesome guys.

    My comment is in regard to NORMAL mode for NORMAL people. Start a thread on VET mode nerf if that bothers you. This thread isnt about that.

    "normal-dsa-is-way-too-difficult" I highlighted the important part of the topic for you

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on November 18, 2014 8:13PM
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  • Merrak
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    OMG no...please stop these threads. DSA Normal is just fine. If you can't get past it, please learn the mechanics and come back. Need to know how to kill things, use a guide if you need to. But for god sake quit asking for things to be made easier.
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  • Hoodster92_ESO
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    @Rune_Relic‌

    What do you think the difference between "normal players" and "vet players" actually is?? There is a reason why there is the term casual and hard core, its becuase hard core players put more time into the game then the casual players, allowing them to learn the skills they use and the content they are facing.

    Have you completed the content designed before DSA such as Vet dungeons / trials ? If so then even if you are a "normal / casual player" skill wise you should be able to complete DSA, if you can't then you either got carried through the previous content, or you haven't spent enough time in DSA to learn the new content.

    I did DSA a couple of days ago with 2 other players who had never done it before, it was beyond easy. The reason why? because our tank has taken the time to complete it before, and the rest of the players in our group were compitent enough players who had completed the previous content.

    So don't go saying that content needs to be nerfed when other players can complete it and you cant, it just simply means that you need to spend more time practicing / learning the content, or you need to practice your play style more, not because its "to hard for players lacking time".
  • brandon
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    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
    Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.

    VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.

    So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.

    Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
    Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.

    Good job completely dodging the question.

    Thought I answered the question quite clearly.
    Veteran for the highly skilled pro players.
    Normal for everyone else.

    Like i said previously, apparently veteran isn't for the veterans. Lets look back on previous nerf this complaints. First you have the 1-50 areas and once you have made it through that you go into veteran ranks. Based on your words "Veteran for the highly skilled pro players. Normal for everyone else." the veteran ranks should have been left alone right? Now were they left that way? The answer is no and you know why? It's because the "normal players" couldn't stand that they were unable to complete it and so it ended up getting nerfed thanks to people like you.

    Now DSA was specifically designed to be difficult on both normal and veteran difficulty, it isn't supposed to be a cakewalk for people. Apparently the "normal players" like things to be cakewalks because they want this nerfed as well. If you can take anything from previous decisions made by Zenimax, it is that they listen to the whiners. You saying that veteran is for the veterans while normal is for the normal people just isn't true seeing as the stuff for the veterans are being screwed with to appease the crappy players.

    Can't wait to see you completely ignore facts just to make your point.

    Point out to me one sentence where I commented that Veteran mode should be easy hard or orgasmic ?
    If you want to reply to me...reply to what I wrote. Dont reply to statements I havent even made. Reading comprehension is invaluable on a forum.

    For the third time....I dont give two shites about how hard or easy vet mode is. I will never be leet enough for that kind of content nor would I pretend to be. I dont have the time to be that good as some of you awesome guys.

    My comment is in regard to NORMAL mode for NORMAL people. Start a thread on VET mode nerf if that bothers you. This thread isnt about that.

    "normal-dsa-is-way-too-difficult" I highlighted the important part of the topic for you

    Well "NORMAL" mode and veteran mode were BOTH designed to be difficult. They BOTH were made to be hard and not a cakewalk like you people want it to be. Why don't people like you stay in the 1-50 areas since that's the difficulty you seem to enjoy so much.

    Oh and again you miss my point about veteran ranks. The reason they were nerfed was because of people like YOU complaining about how hard it was. If you put in as much effort practicing to get better at the game as you do on the forums screaming nerf everything, maybe you would have fun.
    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]
    Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on November 18, 2014 8:16PM
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    Let's actually look at the Dragon Star Arena directly from the horses's mouth

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2014/08/28/creating-eso-dragonstar-arena
    Our goal with the Dragonstar Arena is to bring a new type of content to ESO that can really put standard groups (four players) to the test. We want small groups to experience the difficulty in organization and execution of high-end content like Trials in a format that differs from the Veteran Dungeons we already offer.

    This tells us that this is end-game content meant to test the best of the 4 man groups out there. Its SUPPOSED to be hard.
    There isn’t any “cannon fodder” in the arena; every enemy you face will be a threat.

    There some bad mama jammas in there
    Not only will you need to pay attention to the enemies you’ll face, but you’ll need to be attentive to the arena itself. Poisonous clouds, lava flows, immobilizing blizzards, and much more will hinder you—and put an end to your rise to glory if you’re not careful. Every arena has its own unique hazard that fits its theme, and splitting your attention between killing enemies and reacting to these threats will put you to the test.
    Not only hardest enemies in game, but also traps and situational thingys? OHNOES
    Getting the right difficulty, especially when we want to challenge you, is always a fine balancing act. Our original intent was to create a series of arenas that would ramp up in difficulty until, towards the end, only the most skilled groups would be able to prevail—and we succeeded in that regard.

    See they thought about it, exactly the right amount of EMERGOD needed

    This was great; we had definitely achieved the difficulty we were looking for. But this posed a new question: should completion of the Dragonstar Arena be reserved for only a small percentage of players?

    But what about 'normal' people? There must be a solution ZOS! Save us
    In normal mode, you’ll be able to grab a group and make a decent dent in the arena. You won’t be able to finish all ten of the arenas without coordination and skill, and each new arena will still be more difficult than the last, but with the right group and good communication, you’ll be able to progress and earn some nice rewards. With a well-organized group, you’ll be able to see it through to the end and earn an achievement, title, and some fine loot.

    I see, gotcha, so what is VET DSA then?
    Veteran Mode is a different beast entirely. We cranked up the difficulty to sadistic levels, and you’ll need strategy, skill, and tight execution to complete it

    oh

    So as you can see, they made it to be hard, but not so hard you can't do it. It may be frustrating that you can't complete the hardest group content on your first or 100th try, but thats exactly how it was designed. If you can't do it now, keep trying and it will become reflex, or maybe its just not meant for you to be able to be completed.

    Some things can't be done by some people and thats a fact of life, not everyone is going to be able to post the same times and numbers as the most elite groups, and thats fine.

    The problem is when those elite players look down their noses on the rest of us and think they are somehow better humans.

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]
    Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on November 18, 2014 8:25PM
    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
  • brandon
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    yodased wrote: »
    Let's actually look at the Dragon Star Arena directly from the horses's mouth

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2014/08/28/creating-eso-dragonstar-arena
    Our goal with the Dragonstar Arena is to bring a new type of content to ESO that can really put standard groups (four players) to the test. We want small groups to experience the difficulty in organization and execution of high-end content like Trials in a format that differs from the Veteran Dungeons we already offer.

    This tells us that this is end-game content meant to test the best of the 4 man groups out there. Its SUPPOSED to be hard.
    There isn’t any “cannon fodder” in the arena; every enemy you face will be a threat.

    There some bad mama jammas in there
    Not only will you need to pay attention to the enemies you’ll face, but you’ll need to be attentive to the arena itself. Poisonous clouds, lava flows, immobilizing blizzards, and much more will hinder you—and put an end to your rise to glory if you’re not careful. Every arena has its own unique hazard that fits its theme, and splitting your attention between killing enemies and reacting to these threats will put you to the test.
    Not only hardest enemies in game, but also traps and situational thingys? OHNOES
    Getting the right difficulty, especially when we want to challenge you, is always a fine balancing act. Our original intent was to create a series of arenas that would ramp up in difficulty until, towards the end, only the most skilled groups would be able to prevail—and we succeeded in that regard.

    See they thought about it, exactly the right amount of EMERGOD needed

    This was great; we had definitely achieved the difficulty we were looking for. But this posed a new question: should completion of the Dragonstar Arena be reserved for only a small percentage of players?

    But what about 'normal' people? There must be a solution ZOS! Save us
    In normal mode, you’ll be able to grab a group and make a decent dent in the arena. You won’t be able to finish all ten of the arenas without coordination and skill, and each new arena will still be more difficult than the last, but with the right group and good communication, you’ll be able to progress and earn some nice rewards. With a well-organized group, you’ll be able to see it through to the end and earn an achievement, title, and some fine loot.

    I see, gotcha, so what is VET DSA then?
    Veteran Mode is a different beast entirely. We cranked up the difficulty to sadistic levels, and you’ll need strategy, skill, and tight execution to complete it

    oh

    So as you can see, they made it to be hard, but not so hard you can't do it. It may be frustrating that you can't complete the hardest group content on your first or 100th try, but thats exactly how it was designed. If you can't do it now, keep trying and it will become reflex, or maybe its just not meant for you to be able to be completed.

    Some things can't be done by some people and thats a fact of life, not everyone is going to be able to post the same times and numbers as the most elite groups, and thats fine.

    The problem is when those elite players look down their noses on the rest of us and think they are somehow better humans.

    I wouldn't say i'm that great in the DSA personally. Like you said "Some things can't be done by some people and thats a fact of life" my problem is when the people who can't do it want it nerfed so they can. That is what is happening in this thread, the ones who can't do it for one reason or another want to be able to do it, but at the cost of the players who enjoy this kind of thing.

    [Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]
    Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on November 18, 2014 8:26PM
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  • Rune_Relic
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    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
    Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.

    VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.

    So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.

    Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
    Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.

    Good job completely dodging the question.

    Thought I answered the question quite clearly.
    Veteran for the highly skilled pro players.
    Normal for everyone else.

    Like i said previously, apparently veteran isn't for the veterans. Lets look back on previous nerf this complaints. First you have the 1-50 areas and once you have made it through that you go into veteran ranks. Based on your words "Veteran for the highly skilled pro players. Normal for everyone else." the veteran ranks should have been left alone right? Now were they left that way? The answer is no and you know why? It's because the "normal players" couldn't stand that they were unable to complete it and so it ended up getting nerfed thanks to people like you.

    Now DSA was specifically designed to be difficult on both normal and veteran difficulty, it isn't supposed to be a cakewalk for people. Apparently the "normal players" like things to be cakewalks because they want this nerfed as well. If you can take anything from previous decisions made by Zenimax, it is that they listen to the whiners. You saying that veteran is for the veterans while normal is for the normal people just isn't true seeing as the stuff for the veterans are being screwed with to appease the crappy players.

    Can't wait to see you completely ignore facts just to make your point.

    Point out to me one sentence where I commented that Veteran mode should be easy hard or orgasmic ?
    If you want to reply to me...reply to what I wrote. Dont reply to statements I havent even made. Reading comprehension is invaluable on a forum.

    For the third time....I dont give two shites about how hard or easy vet mode is. I will never be leet enough for that kind of content nor would I pretend to be. I dont have the time to be that good as some of you awesome guys.

    My comment is in regard to NORMAL mode for NORMAL people. Start a thread on VET mode nerf if that bothers you. This thread isnt about that.

    "normal-dsa-is-way-too-difficult" I highlighted the important part of the topic for you

    Well "NORMAL" mode and veteran mode were BOTH designed to be difficult. They BOTH were made to be hard and not a cakewalk like you people want it to be. Why don't people like you stay in the 1-50 areas since that's the difficulty you seem to enjoy so much.

    Oh and again you miss my point about veteran ranks. The reason they were nerfed was because of people like YOU complaining about how hard it was. If you put in as much effort practicing to get better at the game as you do on the forums screaming nerf everything, maybe you would have fun.
    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

    Wow....you are so awesome. lol. I know little old me should just skanker off under some rock because your view is much more important. I get it ;)

    Look Brandon.
    1. I dont care how hard vet mode is. Thats for the great players I will never be.
    2. I never said NORMAL mode shoudl be a cake walk. Yet again you make stuff up people say and then argue with your own lie.
    3. I expect NORMAL DSA to be harder content then anything else. The argument is about how much harder and is it too hard for most.

    TBH it really doesnt bother me if NORMAL its made harder for the wannabee VETS that just arent good enough...or simpler for the physically and mentally challenged. My argument is LEET gods that want to dictate what the lowly players can and cannot play.

    Your attitude is no better than the school yard bullly that says ot the handicapped kid....no sorry you cant play with us...you aint cool ;)

    How about an easy, normal and vet mode.
    The easy mode can cater for those that have impairments in some way that make challenging content too difficult.
    I really dont see why everyone shouldnt be able to experience the game. If they do improve with practice then they can crank it up to the next level.
    Edited by Rune_Relic on November 19, 2014 1:50PM
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  • TehMagnus
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    Rune_Relic wrote: »

    Wow....you are so awesome. lol. I know little old me should just skanker off under some rock because your view is much more important. I get it ;)

    Look Brandon.
    1. I dont care how hard vet mode is. Thats for the great players I will never be.
    2. I never said NORMAL mode shoudl be a cake walk. Yet again you make stuff up people say and then argue with your own lie.
    3. I expect NORMAL DSA to be harder content then anything else. The argument is about how much harder and is it too hard for most.

    TBH it really doesnt bother me if NORMAL its made harder for the wannabee VETS that just arent good enough...or simpler for the physically and mentally challenged. My argument is LEET gods that want to dictate what the lowly players can and cannot play.

    Your attitude is no better than the school yard bullly that says ot the handicapped kid....no sorry you cant play with us...you aint cool ;)

    How about an easy, normal and vet mode.
    The easy mode can cater for those that have impairments in some way that make challenging content too difficult.
    I really dont see why everyone shouldnt be able to experience the game. If they do improve with practice then they can crank it up to the next level.

    Normal DSA isn't too hard for most. Most of the casuals I know have completed it easily.

    Normal DSA is easy mode for players who know how to play and are communicating with each other.

    You don't see why everyone should be able to experience the game<= here is your problem, this is not a solo game, it's an MMORPG. If you can't dedicate enough time to it then you won't be able to experience the whole content and it's a normal thing in any MMORPG.

    Practice makes better, no need to crank down the level (it's extremely easy anyways) keep trying, get into a guild where people have completed it, become part of a community of players and improve together.

    Stop asking for nerf or for easier content, if you want a game where you can adjust the difficulty to easy mode, go play a solo game.
    Edited by TehMagnus on November 19, 2014 2:24PM
  • yodased
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    The thing is 'easy' mode for challenging content is contradictory to the very design of the content.

    If you want 'easy' mode, go do 'easy' things. This is not one of them is the main point I am attempting and apparently failing to make.

    You can 'experience' everything in the game, you are asking for everyone to be able to 'conquer' the game without regard to intended difficulty and that is just as detrimental as the elitist gamer.

    Adding a mode that reduces the difficulty of anything intended to be extremely difficult negates the fact that it is supposed to be difficult in the first place.
    Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.
  • BBSooner
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    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    brandon wrote: »
    Rune_Relic wrote: »
    You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
    Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.

    VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.

    So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.

    Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
    Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.

    Good job completely dodging the question.

    Thought I answered the question quite clearly.
    Veteran for the highly skilled pro players.
    Normal for everyone else.

    Like i said previously, apparently veteran isn't for the veterans. Lets look back on previous nerf this complaints. First you have the 1-50 areas and once you have made it through that you go into veteran ranks. Based on your words "Veteran for the highly skilled pro players. Normal for everyone else." the veteran ranks should have been left alone right? Now were they left that way? The answer is no and you know why? It's because the "normal players" couldn't stand that they were unable to complete it and so it ended up getting nerfed thanks to people like you.

    Now DSA was specifically designed to be difficult on both normal and veteran difficulty, it isn't supposed to be a cakewalk for people. Apparently the "normal players" like things to be cakewalks because they want this nerfed as well. If you can take anything from previous decisions made by Zenimax, it is that they listen to the whiners. You saying that veteran is for the veterans while normal is for the normal people just isn't true seeing as the stuff for the veterans are being screwed with to appease the crappy players.

    Can't wait to see you completely ignore facts just to make your point.

    Point out to me one sentence where I commented that Veteran mode should be easy hard or orgasmic ?
    If you want to reply to me...reply to what I wrote. Dont reply to statements I havent even made. Reading comprehension is invaluable on a forum.

    For the third time....I dont give two shites about how hard or easy vet mode is. I will never be leet enough for that kind of content nor would I pretend to be. I dont have the time to be that good as some of you awesome guys.

    My comment is in regard to NORMAL mode for NORMAL people. Start a thread on VET mode nerf if that bothers you. This thread isnt about that.

    "normal-dsa-is-way-too-difficult" I highlighted the important part of the topic for you

    Well "NORMAL" mode and veteran mode were BOTH designed to be difficult. They BOTH were made to be hard and not a cakewalk like you people want it to be. Why don't people like you stay in the 1-50 areas since that's the difficulty you seem to enjoy so much.

    Oh and again you miss my point about veteran ranks. The reason they were nerfed was because of people like YOU complaining about how hard it was. If you put in as much effort practicing to get better at the game as you do on the forums screaming nerf everything, maybe you would have fun.
    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

    Wow....you are so awesome. lol. I know little old me should just skanker off under some rock because your view is much more important. I get it ;)

    Look Brandon.
    1. I dont care how hard vet mode is. Thats for the great players I will never be.
    2. I never said NORMAL mode shoudl be a cake walk. Yet again you make stuff up people say and then argue with your own lie.
    3. I expect NORMAL DSA to be harder content then anything else. The argument is about how much harder and is it too hard for most.

    TBH it really doesnt bother me if NORMAL its made harder for the wannabee VETS that just arent good enough...or simpler for the physically and mentally challenged. My argument is LEET gods that want to dictate what the lowly players can and cannot play.

    Your attitude is no better than the school yard bullly that says ot the handicapped kid....no sorry you cant play with us...you aint cool ;)

    How about an easy, normal and vet mode.
    The easy mode can cater for those that have impairments in some way that make challenging content too difficult.
    I really dont see why everyone shouldnt be able to experience the game. If they do improve with practice then they can crank it up to the next level.

    How many modes should be created to cater to minorities, though.

    Why not, in addition to easy, normal, and veteran, we add in a 'very easy', 'easiest', 'harder veteran', 'nightmare', 'nightmare+', 'hardest beyond hard'.

    Rather than develop modes that increasingly smaller segments of the population will use - on both sides of the spectrum - I'd rather the effort spent elsewhere on content diversity as opposed to rehashed content.
  • brandon
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    your view is much more important. I get it
    That is a hypocritical statement right there. I think you should take a quick look in the mirror.
    I dont care how hard vet mode is. Thats for the great players I will never be.
    I could just as easily turn that around on you. I don't care how hard normal mode is. Thats for the casual players I will never be.
    I never said NORMAL mode shoudl be a cake walk. Yet again you make stuff up people say and then argue with your own lie.
    You may not have flat out said it, but you definitely implied it.
    I expect NORMAL DSA to be harder content then anything else. The argument is about how much harder and is it too hard for most.
    It isn't "too hard for most" though. I have a lot of friends who are casual players and they do just fine in the DSA. They have also beaten it with each of the classes as well.
    Your attitude is no better than the school yard bullly that says ot the handicapped kid....no sorry you cant play with us...you aint cool
    There is a huge difference between me and bullies. I'm not stopping anyone from taking part in this, they can do this if they just practice instead of wanting everything nerfed. I don't know if you've ever heard these quotes before, but there are two wonderful quotes out there.

    1 "Practice makes perfect"
    2 "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again."

    If things are made easier then you taking away the chance for you and them to get better.
    How about an easy, normal and vet mode.
    The easy mode can cater for those that have impairments in some way that make challenging content too difficult.
    While i would typically agree with you, i just can't on this. There is a title for completing the DSA and if it was made easier to where everyone could get it then that title loses any meaning.
    I really dont see why everyone shouldnt be able to experience the game.
    This is an mmo. Everyone is not supposed to finish everything. If this was a single player game you would be right, but it is not.
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    you can 2 man it far into the arena and 3 man it easily...
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    hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
    you can 2 man it far into the arena and 3 man it easily...

    And you can even do it without players if you are a necro.
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    i was searching for a vet dsa addon and this thread popped up didnt check the date my bad
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  • olemanwinter
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    It's really not hard. I tanked regular at VR6 last week with my new alt.
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    Sounds like a classic case of being surprised by content that cannot be walked through with ease first time.
    Given that normal DSA has been solo'd, heck even my guild has members that duo'd it and we are just a casual bunch, I don't think too hard is an accurate description.
    It does ake time the first couple runs, but after that it becomes autopilot. Kind of like any other dungeon really.
  • granty2008cyb16_ESO
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    omg did i just read this XD
    Meh!
  • Frenkthevile
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    The normal version is too hard only at stage 8(know as ''Dwemer oneshotters'').
    Imho vetDSA has easier stage8 than normal one, because you can negate the fire/frost aoes that absolutely destroy DDs if you have bad luck.
  • Frenkthevile
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    Ah i forgot to say that having VR13 loot on both normal and vet modes is BULLKITTEN.
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