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Normal DSA is way too difficult
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I really hate the idea of nerfing DSA normal or Vet. The title means nothing if it did not take any work or effort to get it. DSA is one of the few few places in the game where you can find a decent challenge in a PVE environment. It SHOULD take practice and effort to complete.6 -
tengri✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »While I wouldn't mind this feature, it seems like it would be difficult to implement. Would you have to have the same group going back in? If not, would every member of the group need to be at the same stage? Seems like it would further limit group participation.
Should not be that difficult... have everyone running a simple quest while inside to track the progress through the stages.
If ppl are on different stages "force" them to sync to the group leader when entering.
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kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭a.grespinrb19_ESO wrote: »DSA on normal feels impossible especially for something on NORMAL mode. I was at it for 4 hours straight and I had to give up on the last boss because it was 12:15 at night. I am soo pissed off that I wasted all that time for nothing and I want to get the DSA Champion title for having wasted my precious time on stuff that was made unreasonably too hard. God knows how people have done veteran mode and got boeiath's scythe. Also on the first boss I got 1 hit killed for 36525 dmg. So basically give me my well deserved title because I am going insane.
PLEASE stop complaining about stuff being to hard, this game is NOT hard, no part of it is. Either get better and beat it or LEAVE THE CONTENT ALONE, slowly but surely all my semi challenging pve stuff is getting nerfed to dirt and its irritating.4 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.Edited by Rune_Relic on November 16, 2014 11:21AMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited3 -
brandon✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.
So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.Edited by brandon on November 16, 2014 11:53AM2 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rune_Relic wrote: »You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.
So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.
Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.
Edited by Rune_Relic on November 16, 2014 12:02PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited2 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.
So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.
Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.
Even Normal DSA was designed to be hard content. The developers specifically wanted DSA to be more challenging than other dungeons, which is why it's been designed the way it has.
Believe it or not, not every piece of content is meant to be completed by every player.----
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Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.
So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.
Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.
Even Normal DSA was designed to be hard content. The developers specifically wanted DSA to be more challenging than other dungeons, which is why it's been designed the way it has.
Believe it or not, not every piece of content is meant to be completed by every player.
Then why bother making content to only be played by a small % of the player base ? What exactly is the other x% paying their damn bills for ?
Harder yes....impossible for less skilled players no. Where that line is drawn is obviously the problem we have.Edited by Rune_Relic on November 16, 2014 12:07PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »While I wouldn't mind this feature, it seems like it would be difficult to implement. Would you have to have the same group going back in? If not, would every member of the group need to be at the same stage? Seems like it would further limit group participation.
Should not be that difficult... have everyone running a simple quest while inside to track the progress through the stages.
If ppl are on different stages "force" them to sync to the group leader when entering.
But that's not really a viable solution. I can already see the zone chats: "LFM for DSA Stage 7, must pay 10k gold for group spot."
The only way to introduce that system and keep it fair would be to only allow groups to re-enter the dungeon with the same people or at the very least with people on the same stage. Otherwise, it just opens the door for people to start deliberately exploiting the mechanic to skip the majority of the dungeon.----
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brandon✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.
So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.
Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.
Good job completely dodging the question.Edited by brandon on November 16, 2014 12:13PM1 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.
So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.
Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.
Even Normal DSA was designed to be hard content. The developers specifically wanted DSA to be more challenging than other dungeons, which is why it's been designed the way it has.
Believe it or not, not every piece of content is meant to be completed by every player.
Then why bother making content to only be played by a small % of the player base ? What exactly is the other x% paying their damn bills for ?
Harder yes....impossible for less skilled players no. Where that line is drawn is obviously the problem we have.
Because the less skilled players already have tons of content open to them. DSA was designed to be difficult because players who wanted more of a challenge were asking for that. It's the only dungeon that grants you a title, so it ought to be difficult.----
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✭✭Our guild is PvP focused, and I literally hadn't run a dungeon of any sort for 2 months when DsA came out. My group finished it the first time we went in (and actually had time to go through the whole thing), and we only wiped a handful of times. It's not much of a challenge if you make an effort to take note of mechanics and make a strategy.2013
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Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.
So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.
Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.
Good job completely dodging the question.
Thought I answered the question quite clearly.
Veteran for the highly skilled pro players.
Normal for everyone else.
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Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.
So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.
Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.
Even Normal DSA was designed to be hard content. The developers specifically wanted DSA to be more challenging than other dungeons, which is why it's been designed the way it has.
Believe it or not, not every piece of content is meant to be completed by every player.
Then why bother making content to only be played by a small % of the player base ? What exactly is the other x% paying their damn bills for ?
Harder yes....impossible for less skilled players no. Where that line is drawn is obviously the problem we have.
Because the less skilled players already have tons of content open to them. DSA was designed to be difficult because players who wanted more of a challenge were asking for that. It's the only dungeon that grants you a title, so it ought to be difficult.
You have a hard mode...veteran.
You can make it as hardcore leet challenging as you like.
I Really don't mind.
Nothing to see here ...moving on.Edited by Rune_Relic on November 17, 2014 11:13AMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited1 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.
So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.
Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.
Even Normal DSA was designed to be hard content. The developers specifically wanted DSA to be more challenging than other dungeons, which is why it's been designed the way it has.
Believe it or not, not every piece of content is meant to be completed by every player.
Then why bother making content to only be played by a small % of the player base ? What exactly is the other x% paying their damn bills for ?
Harder yes....impossible for less skilled players no. Where that line is drawn is obviously the problem we have.
Because the less skilled players already have tons of content open to them. DSA was designed to be difficult because players who wanted more of a challenge were asking for that. It's the only dungeon that grants you a title, so it ought to be difficult.
You have a hard mode...veteran.
I didn't say "hard mode". I said that the dungeon (in both normal and veteran modes) was designed to give players more of a challenge.
Don't want a challenge? Don't do DSA. A simple solution for a simple problem.----
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Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.
So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.
Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.
Even Normal DSA was designed to be hard content. The developers specifically wanted DSA to be more challenging than other dungeons, which is why it's been designed the way it has.
Believe it or not, not every piece of content is meant to be completed by every player.
Then why bother making content to only be played by a small % of the player base ? What exactly is the other x% paying their damn bills for ?
Harder yes....impossible for less skilled players no. Where that line is drawn is obviously the problem we have.
Because the less skilled players already have tons of content open to them. DSA was designed to be difficult because players who wanted more of a challenge were asking for that. It's the only dungeon that grants you a title, so it ought to be difficult.
You have a hard mode...veteran.
I didn't say "hard mode". I said that the dungeon (in both normal and veteran modes) was designed to give players more of a challenge.
Don't want a challenge? Don't do DSA. A simple solution for a simple problem.
And what I am saying is challenging to some is impossible for others.
You cant have Normal mode so difficult most players wont do the content.
If players cant/wont do the content then its a complete waste of development time other than for rubbing a minorities epeen.
ZOS feeds off subs. Denying content to those people that pay you for content is not going to end well.Edited by Rune_Relic on November 17, 2014 12:13PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited2 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's not hard, likely your teammates don't know how to play well.
In any case, DSA is a good place to improve your skills so either go get carried by xMovingTarget or keep trying, you'll eventually get it right, I'm sure.3 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.
So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.
Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.
Even Normal DSA was designed to be hard content. The developers specifically wanted DSA to be more challenging than other dungeons, which is why it's been designed the way it has.
Believe it or not, not every piece of content is meant to be completed by every player.
Then why bother making content to only be played by a small % of the player base ? What exactly is the other x% paying their damn bills for ?
Harder yes....impossible for less skilled players no. Where that line is drawn is obviously the problem we have.
Because the less skilled players already have tons of content open to them. DSA was designed to be difficult because players who wanted more of a challenge were asking for that. It's the only dungeon that grants you a title, so it ought to be difficult.
You have a hard mode...veteran.
I didn't say "hard mode". I said that the dungeon (in both normal and veteran modes) was designed to give players more of a challenge.
Don't want a challenge? Don't do DSA. A simple solution for a simple problem.
And what I am saying is challenging to some is impossible for others.
You cant have Normal mode so difficult most players wont do the content.
If players cant/wont do the content then its a complete waste of development time other than for rubbing a minorities epeen.
ZOS feeds off subs. Denying content to those people that pay you for content is not going to end well.
It's not "denying" content to anyone. Anyone can complete normal DSA if they're willing to take the time to do it. There's no such thing as a "playwall" in an MMO. The things with the best rewards will be more challenging, and that's just fine. Not everyone needs to have the best gear or experience the toughest content.----
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"Normal" DSA is NOT too difficult so that normal/casual/everyone cannot complete it. It does take experience and knowing the fights so a group that lacks such experience will wipe and not get past stage 6 or 7.
Once casuals/normals/everyone is familiar with the mechanics, it is reasonable expectation that they should finish even if they occasionally wipe.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.6 -
cote-bmsb16_ESO✭✭✭Its a huge time investment to complete DSA but you can beat it in 3-6 hours. The biggest thing is learning the mechanics for each stage, and even if you don't complete DSA right away you'll definitely get armor from sets.
If you are not blocking, not dodge rolling, not using voice chat, not targeting high priority targets, then you're kinda screwed.3 -
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✭a.grespinrb19_ESO wrote: »DSA on normal feels impossible especially for something on NORMAL mode. I was at it for 4 hours straight and I had to give up on the last boss because it was 12:15 at night. I am soo pissed off that I wasted all that time for nothing and I want to get the DSA Champion title for having wasted my precious time on stuff that was made unreasonably too hard. God knows how people have done veteran mode and got boeiath's scythe. Also on the first boss I got 1 hit killed for 36525 dmg. So basically give me my well deserved title because I am going insane.
you getting hit for that much on the first boss means one thing... you are not killing him fast enough... he hits harder the longer you fight him, in vet mode his shards attack can quickly get up to 3k if not blocked in only a minute or so.
even if you are not dieing to the mechanics, you have to have good DPS in that place or you will never get through it..I play every class in every situation. I love them all.0 -
Neyephe✭I've never finished DSA as I never have time to spend the hours in there. The longest time span I usually have is a 2 hour window and most groups take much longer than that. The furthest I have been is the 6th round... and we had been in there 3 and 1/2 hours at that point. (stayed up way later than I should have that night). Once you learn the mechanics of each fight, they are not that hard. It is just making sure you and everyone in your group do things right.1
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If that was your first time in normal DSA, welcome to the learning curve. My first run, 3 days after it was added to the game, took 4.5 hours, all my shards and pots, and a ton of repair gold. We completed it thankfully. Now, a normal DSA run takes 2 hours tops, and while I still use pots liberally, its not the gold and shard sink it once was.
Learn the mechanics, tweak your gameplay, and normal DSA will become a breeze. Still a long breeze, but a breeze none the less. Prepare to go through the same thing with vet DSA.3 -
Koga✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »While I wouldn't mind this feature, it seems like it would be difficult to implement. Would you have to have the same group going back in? If not, would every member of the group need to be at the same stage? Seems like it would further limit group participation.
Should not be that difficult... have everyone running a simple quest while inside to track the progress through the stages.
If ppl are on different stages "force" them to sync to the group leader when entering.
This is really not a PUG type of content. IMO you need a team that is used to playing together OFTEN.Koga
Greywolves
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Lord_Kreegan✭✭✭✭✭The inevitable Elitist Vs. Normal human being arguments... how we love them.
NOT.
When all the normal folks leave, the subscription base will be next to non-existent, the doors will close, and the elitists will have no game to play. And since they are their own worst enemies; when there is nobody left for them to lord it over, they'll get really, really depressed.
So, they will move to another game where they can feel elite and start the same arguments all over again.
Guys, it's a GAME!! It exists for one reason only (as far as we're concerned): to have fun!
Hopefully, the devs at ZOS will get their heads out of their oral orifices and properly balance the gameplay for everyone. Until then, if it bothers you too much, unsubscribe and wait until they fix things. If they don't fix things, then don't come back (vote with your pocketbook).4 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭^ Your argument would be valid if DSA were "elite" content. It's not.
Most groups don't even reach the final boss on their first or second attempts. That's fine and acceptable. Make us think about our builds and strategies. But by the third time when we become familiar with the mechanics and have actually improved our builds after some introspection, DSA becomes significantly easier.Edited by Joy_Division on November 17, 2014 6:00PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.5 -
BBSooner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lord_Kreegan wrote: »The inevitable Elitist Vs. Normal human being arguments... how we love them.
NOT.
When all the normal folks leave, the subscription base will be next to non-existent, the doors will close, and the elitists will have no game to play. And since they are their own worst enemies; when there is nobody left for them to lord it over, they'll get really, really depressed.
So, they will move to another game where they can feel elite and start the same arguments all over again.
Guys, it's a GAME!! It exists for one reason only (as far as we're concerned): to have fun!
Hopefully, the devs at ZOS will get their heads out of their oral orifices and properly balance the gameplay for everyone. Until then, if it bothers you too much, unsubscribe and wait until they fix things. If they don't fix things, then don't come back (vote with your pocketbook).
Its not unreasonable for the normal version of an endgame instance to expect the player to dodge, block, interrupt, and perform their group role. If normal was too hard there would be far more posts than just this one. If it were nerfed it would likely only reinforce the growing opinion that dsa is too easy already.3 -
brandon✭✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »You know there is normal mode and vet mode for a reason right ?
Not everyone is super leet awesome hardcore players like you lot and never will be with all the multibutton macros and god knows what else. I am sure your uberness makes this simples for you. The majority can only stand in awe of your skills.
VET is for hardcore...normal is for everyone else ...like the not so good people.
So what was veteran content supposed to be for then? Apparently for the "normal people" since it was nerfed to appease you guys. Based on what you just said vet mode should be for the "super leet awesome hardcore players" right? Doesn't look like it is anymore.
Not bothered about how hard easy VET mode is....thats your area.
Normal mode is my concern as it is the OP.
Good job completely dodging the question.
Thought I answered the question quite clearly.
Veteran for the highly skilled pro players.
Normal for everyone else.
Like i said previously, apparently veteran isn't for the veterans. Lets look back on previous nerf this complaints. First you have the 1-50 areas and once you have made it through that you go into veteran ranks. Based on your words "Veteran for the highly skilled pro players. Normal for everyone else." the veteran ranks should have been left alone right? Now were they left that way? The answer is no and you know why? It's because the "normal players" couldn't stand that they were unable to complete it and so it ended up getting nerfed thanks to people like you.
Now DSA was specifically designed to be difficult on both normal and veteran difficulty, it isn't supposed to be a cakewalk for people. Apparently the "normal players" like things to be cakewalks because they want this nerfed as well. If you can take anything from previous decisions made by Zenimax, it is that they listen to the whiners. You saying that veteran is for the veterans while normal is for the normal people just isn't true seeing as the stuff for the veterans are being screwed with to appease the crappy players.
Can't wait to see you completely ignore facts just to make your point.1 -
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✭Make a new version of DSA, adds have 1HP and bosses 10HP, call it "qq mode" and have it grant the title "I PAY MY SUB SO I SHOULD HAVE IT". Problem solved
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leandro.800ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭The problem is not difficulty but the time it takes. Again i need a good guild to do this cuz random group always breaks after round 6 or 71