List of projectile attacks Reflective scales cannot reflect.

Thechemicals

Feel free to add any or correct any.

1. Mages fury/Sorc *low health explosion reflectable.
2. Curse/Sorc
3. Silver bolts /verified though rumor it will be reflectable for 1.5
4. Volley/Bow
5. Spear Shards/ Templar the initial effect and stunn is reflected, not the dot.
6. Arrow Spray/Bow (?) I have tested this and though it is an area projectile, It has been reflected back on to me. Possibly bugged?
7. Agony/NB
8. Cripple/ NB
9. Impale
10. Lightning staff heavy attack
11. Eclipse/ Templar


Projectiles that some are not sure if reflective scales reflects but in fact do.
1. Fiery chains / DK
2. Force Siphon/ Resto
3. Destructive touch/ Destro

Beesting

As a DK i am not happy with this post. Stop the DK hate please...

AlexDougherty

Beesting wrote: »

As a DK i am not happy with this post. Stop the DK hate please...

DK hate, you obviously haven't fought Molag Bal as a Sorceror, now there's hate for you. Not to mention Nightblades (ooops, I just mentioned them, sorry).

dharbert

If they would simply implement friendly duels, we could test things like this and know for sure.

Thechemicals

dharbert wrote: »

If they would simply implement friendly duels, we could test things like this and know for sure.

Legends guild does that kinda testing. You join them and then find someone in the guild from another faction that wants to test stuff.

I would like to know if silver bolts does indeed not get reflected.

tplink3r1

none of those except silver bolts are "projectiles"

Thechemicals

tplink3r1 wrote: »

none of those except silver bolts are "projectiles"

yep.

CapuchinSeven

Nightblade Cripple and Agony.

david.haypreub18_ESO

I thought Mage's Fury was reflected? The patch notes suggested to me the only change was that the secondary AoE explosion is not reflected.

Thechemicals

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Nightblade Cripple and Agony.

interesting. Ill add it to the list.

Astien

Thechemicals wrote: »

Feel free to add any or correct any.

1. Mages fury/sorc
2. Curse/sorc
3. Silver bolts (?) A rumor possibly?
4. Volley/bow
5. Spear Shards/ templar
6. Arrow Spray/bow (?) I have tested this and though it is an area projectile, It has been reflected back on to me. Possibly bugged?

Projectiles that some are not sure if reflective scales reflects but in fact do.
1. Fiery chains / DK
2. Force Siphon/ Resto
3. Destructive touch/ Destro

None of these are technically projectiles.

Volley, Spear, and Spray are all AOE. (Volley and Spray are useless anyway so who cares.)

Curse is more of Dot (or status effect) I think... in the fact that it doesn't necessarily proc right away.

Mage's fury I guess is the exception, Although It really isn't a projectile.

But lets think about this for a minute....

1. Dk Holds block.
2. I Spam arrow spray. (Cost like 300 stamina or something)
3. That's 7 casts of arrow spray with 2100 stam. (probably doing less than 200 Damage per hit. Considering all of the block mitigation)
4. DK hits GDB while spamming Reflect.
5. I'm out of stamina
6. Dk Charges / Talons / Whip.
7. Game.

So While I've used up all of my stamina, I've only done 1400 points of damage.

Repeat the scenario but substitute Mages fury for Arrow Spray. It's game either way.

This is not rock paper scissors. This is Rock paper scissors being thrown into a cesspool of molten faceroll magma.

Astien

Thechemicals wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

If they would simply implement friendly duels, we could test things like this and know for sure.

Legends guild does that kinda testing. You join them and then find someone in the guild from another faction that wants to test stuff.

I would like to know if silver bolts does indeed not get reflected.

I believe the projectile does actually get reflected. However the Knockdown effect does still work on a non blocking DK with reflect up.

And by non blocking Dk.... I mean.... The chances of that are 1/10000

Thechemicals

I named projectiles for the purpose of ease.
Arrow Spray is a projectile and so is silver bolts morph silver shards. It doesnt really matter, the thread is to list the attacks that cant be reflected back.

WebBull

Clearly not enough abilities are being reflected. They need to fix this.

driosketch

Thechemicals wrote: »

I would like to know if silver bolts does indeed not get reflected.

It doesn't, I use them all the time on DK vampires even through scales. Unfortunately they are patching them to reflect in 1.5.

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

I thought Mage's Fury was reflected? The patch notes suggested to me the only change was that the secondary AoE explosion is not reflected.

It doesn't. Was spamming it on DKs on the Non Vet last night and it wasn't reflecting when scales went up.

Potenza

Beesting wrote: »

As a DK i am not happy with this post. Stop the DK hate please...

No worries, this list isn't going help anyone kill DK's any better than they could have before.

eliisra

Thechemicals wrote: »

5. Spear Shards/ Templar

I will get the initial hit + stun from Blazing Spear (spear shard morphs) back in my face if I'm targeting flappy wings. But the AoE DoT is of course not being reflected.

Not sure about Luminous Spear, I dont use it. But I'm pretty sure the secondary effect, the single target disorient, would be reflected to.

Thechemicals

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Beesting wrote: »

As a DK i am not happy with this post. Stop the DK hate please...

No worries, this list isn't going help anyone kill DK's any better than they could have before.

Actually it has....i was completely wrecked on my DK for the first time in a long time by a sorc using Curse/Mage fury and a 2handed sword(among other skills). His build was very smart and he was able to hurt me through my reflect and keep a good distance until he was ready to charge me with Crit rush/encase/bolt escape/crit rush again. I enjoyed what he did and thought it was very original. I came back and killed him later because i happen to have my ultimate up but it was still a close fight.

Thechemicals

eliisra wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

5. Spear Shards/ Templar

I will get the initial hit + stun from Blazing Spear (spear shard morphs) back in my face if I'm targeting flappy wings. But the AoE DoT is of course not being reflected.

Not sure about Luminous Spear, I dont use it. But I'm pretty sure the secondary effect, the single target disorient, would be reflected to.

Wow really? Can anyone else confirm this? Thats messed up lol, but also why thread is called projectiles. Arrow spray is an aoe but can be reflected back to me...so it must be considered a projectile as well since it is being shot and not cast(?)

Maulkin

One word:
Meteor

dharbert

This is one of the few (possibly the only) MMO's that I have played where the developers absolutely do not want you to know any of the inner workings or game mechanics.

hammer_fella

One that was being inquired about the other day was Entropy, which I said was also not a projectile, though I can't absolutely confirm if it can be reflected or not (just seems unlikely to me).

eliisra

Thechemicals wrote: »

Wow really? Can anyone else confirm this? Thats messed up lol, but also why thread is called projectiles. Arrow spray is an aoe but can be reflected back to me...so it must be considered a projectile as well since it is being shot and not cast(?)

I can't confirm how the actual dmg works, now that I think closer. But I know I've stunned myself with Blazing Spear at multiple occasions being herpderp attacking a DK with wings out. Which makes sense because the secondary effect is single target.

Meshal

i have been testing my attacks against reflective scales and this is what im sure 100% that it get reflected:

sorcerer class:
1- crystal shard
2- overload (Storm calling ultimate)

destruction staff:

1- force shock
2- light & heavy attacks from fire staff

i still don't know if heavy attacks from lighting staff get reflected or not i haven't tested it yet.

Thanks a lot for this discussion.

Aeratus

Impale (NB) - projectile that is not reflected

Meteor is reflected.

Lightning staff heavy attack is not reflected. It's a channel attack similar to the resto staff heavy attack.

Spear shards ground effect is not reflected, of course. All ground effect skills are not reflected.

Astien

hammer_fella wrote: »

One that was being inquired about the other day was Entropy, which I said was also not a projectile, though I can't absolutely confirm if it can be reflected or not (just seems unlikely to me).

Entropy is not reflected.

Cyhawk

ITT: People naming Projectile spells that aren't actually projectile spells.

dharbert wrote: »

This is one of the few (possibly the only) MMO's that I have played where the developers absolutely do not want you to know any of the inner workings or game mechanics.

While information is sparse even basic testing of skills can tell you whats up. Also using your brain oddly enough can pretty much determine stuff like this.

Here are some examples of the more difficult ones.

Velocious Curse: Not a projectile, ranged yes but not a projectile. Same with Entropy, Eclipse and Cripple.

Impale: Not a projectile, Melee attack with an extra range morph. Think super long dagger.

Overload: Watch the animations carefully. There is indeed a projectile for this, its a small white ball of lightning. It is hard to miss.

Mage's Fury: Is not a projectile in the sense that the spell comes from your char, its lightning from above. This is why the explosion part being reflected is a bug, its technically not a projectile. Though I agree it should be classified as one, this one is a bit counter intuitive.

Lightning Staff/Resto Staff heavy attacks: Not projectiles. Ranged DoT attacks (If you had CLS or something similar you'd see this). They do not get reflected.

Bow Heavy attack: A Projectile, but doesn't get reflected. Wish they'd fix this.

Heres how you too can figure these things out for yourself:

A Gun is a projectile weapon. It shoots a bullet.

A laser Rifle is not a projectile Weapon, it's effect is instantaneous. (Ok baring the speed of light travel time, but you get the idea... I hope)

Things start to make more sense in this game when you open your mind a bit and think about it.

Thechemicals

Aeratus wrote: »

Impale (NB) - projectile that is not reflected

Meteor is reflected.

Lightning staff heavy attack is not reflected. It's a channel attack similar to the resto staff heavy attack.

Spear shards ground effect is not reflected, of course. All ground effect skills are not reflected.

Thanks ill add Impale and Light staff hvy to list. Yeah meteor is reflected but you can lob it into a group of players and so long as the first target isnt reflecting, everyone else can be reflecting and itll still hit.

Akula

Cyhawk wrote: »

ITT: People naming Projectile spells that aren't actually projectile spells.


Also using your brain oddly enough can pretty much determine stuff like this.




Heres how you too can figure these things out for yourself:

A Gun is a projectile weapon. It shoots a bullet.

A laser Rifle is not a projectile Weapon, it's effect is instantaneous. (Ok baring the speed of light travel time, but you get the idea... I hope)

Things start to make more sense in this game when you open your mind a bit and think about it.

Too bad they dont have a "What a **d o u c h e y** reply" vote..

Merlight

driosketch wrote: »

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

I thought Mage's Fury was reflected? The patch notes suggested to me the only change was that the secondary AoE explosion is not reflected.

It doesn't. Was spamming it on DKs on the Non Vet last night and it wasn't reflecting when scales went up.

The first hit isn't reflected. The explosion from Endless Fury (haven't tested the other morph) currently is reflected on live. Which means spamming it on a DK with wings up and health down is a quick way to kill oneself. This will hopefully be fixed in 1.5.

Thechemicals

I believe cone aoe attacks are still reflectable since they are projectiles. Arrow spray was reflected back onto me even though it is listed as an area effect.
The Templar spear shard is also an aoe effect, and 3 people have confirmed that the initial hit has been reflected onto them as well as the stun.

"All projectiles are reflected", but this is flaky and worked out incorrectly.....i think the devs did not properly work out area affects versus reflective scales. I dont believe arrow spray or Spear Shards should be reflectable to any capacity.

This can be a serious problem for patch 1.5 if indeed they are going to make silver bolts reflectable by reflective scales, because the morph is a ground attack and if they ignore that or do it incorrectly than reflective scales will be reflecting a ground spell silver shards as well and that is wrong.

Area spells and ground spells should not be reflected by Reflective Scales
this goes for Silver Shards/Silver Spear/Arrow Spray/ and any other spells listed as area/ground.