Stealth Snipe Before and After 1.5.1

kijima

Darthryan wrote: »

Mrs. Jones claims that he took that screenshot of what he did with a bow. I already said if can show me a video and prove that was real, id pay him 50 k

I better start learning what is the best way to record gameplay then.

It's possible, I've done it to vamps before in Cyrodiil.

jelliedsoup

kijima wrote: »

Darthryan wrote: »

Mrs. Jones claims that he took that screenshot of what he did with a bow. I already said if can show me a video and prove that was real, id pay him 50 k

I better start learning what is the best way to record gameplay then.

It's possible, I've done it to vamps before in Cyrodiil.

Yeah it'd be good to see you actually back something up.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

I did snipe tests against NPC's on PTS and I still hit them for 1.9k

Darthryan

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

I did snipe tests against NPC's on PTS and I still hit them for 1.9k

Its nerfed against human players.

suycyco

Darthryan wrote: »

Its nerfed against human players.

Maybe this should be wrote in capital letter since lots of people are comparing their actual damage with some damage they do on pts on mobs instead of players.

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO

suycyco wrote: »

Darthryan wrote: »

Its nerfed against human players.

Maybe this should be wrote in capital letter since lots of people are comparing their actual damage with some damage they do on pts on mobs instead of players.

I understand the patch notes said only against enemy players, but idk how to account for the damage disparity in my tests. My PTS character had more potential damage output yet still yielded less than its Live counterpart in PvE. Not saying I didn't make a mistake, but I'm not seeing it

Varicite

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

suycyco wrote: »

Darthryan wrote: »

Its nerfed against human players.

Maybe this should be wrote in capital letter since lots of people are comparing their actual damage with some damage they do on pts on mobs instead of players.

I understand the patch notes said only against enemy players, but idk how to account for the damage disparity in my tests. My PTS character had more potential damage output yet still yielded less than its Live counterpart in PvE. Not saying I didn't make a mistake, but I'm not seeing it

Not really possible to say w/out knowing the disparity.

There was a 5% nerf to Snipe damage, though.

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO

I have the stats and results listed in the OP. PTS character had more Weapon Damage and Stam, while Live had Shadow Stone, yet PTS pulled ~400 less damage.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Darthryan wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

I did snipe tests against NPC's on PTS and I still hit them for 1.9k

Its nerfed against human players.

Actually nevermind, no I'm not. I'm doing 1.4k damage to NPCs too with stealth snipe.

But, I have no problem with it.

Cody

I wont complain about it too much. I just expect to see ACTUAL BALANCE in this game in the following months...

I WILL say this much... this bursty insta kill build? it makes you weak as h*** in this game. I run something similar, and if I get caught, its invasion< block< flame whip spam< dead. I don't have the HP to withstand all of that, im NOT using a shield with this kind of build... so I cant just block it all(ironically, the one part about blocking in this game that makes sense..... weapons cant block flame whip spam:D) I can only roll dodge so much... and my cloak CONSTANTLY breaks half second after activation.


But whatever, ill find another build that works.... I just expect more serious problems to be solved in the future.

Duukar

I don't think its a good idea to reduce damage from stealth. It's literally all my NB has at the moment.

Nerf the damage from stealth for Non-NB's. That, I could get behind.

2 of our class abilities have unique synergies from stealth, so this nerf hits us MUCH harder than anyone else.

They have made this game so incredibly unfriendly to stealth specialists while making it so easy for anyone to stealth.

I can't oppose this change enough.

Shield stacking, Block casting, Streak spam with bats or detection pot, Curse spam, Impulse spam(how the heck did that aoe ability just out dps my single target dmg as a single target dmg specialist??)

Honestly enough is enough. Can we please just delete NB's all together and give me a free lvl 50 VR14 sorc??

Duuk

Duukar

In my experience as a highly decorated and dangerous NB having used both magicka and stam builds - Unless you are strategically picking low health targets or are very smart killing a player before they react is nearly impossible.
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If players are getting 1 shotted or insta gibbed in PvP maybe they need to roll with a more coordinated group or work on their template.

SOOOOOO many counters to stealth... Lets remove the one benefit of hitting from stealth.. BONE HEADED MOVE!!!

Duuk

Varicite

Duukar wrote: »

In my experience as a highly decorated and dangerous NB having used both magicka and stam builds - Unless you are strategically picking low health targets or are very smart killing a player before they react is nearly impossible.
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If players are getting 1 shotted or insta gibbed in PvP maybe they need to roll with a more coordinated group or work on their template.

SOOOOOO many counters to stealth... Lets remove the one benefit of hitting from stealth.. BONE HEADED MOVE!!!

Duuk

They aren't removing it, though.

They are nerfing it slightly.

Kego

eliisra wrote: »

Ok, so lolgib with 3-4k dps from sneak is good PvP? Killing players unable to counter or fight back is good PvP? If I want that I go play fps or some trashy pw2/f2p game.

Than, where is the nerf to Impulse/Batswarm AOE Groups that can kill another group as fast as a single Sniper another single player?

Duukar

Varicite wrote: »

Duukar wrote: »

In my experience as a highly decorated and dangerous NB having used both magicka and stam builds - Unless you are strategically picking low health targets or are very smart killing a player before they react is nearly impossible.
-
If players are getting 1 shotted or insta gibbed in PvP maybe they need to roll with a more coordinated group or work on their template.

SOOOOOO many counters to stealth... Lets remove the one benefit of hitting from stealth.. BONE HEADED MOVE!!!

Duuk

They aren't removing it, though.

They are nerfing it slightly.

OK then, reduce. Also 20% is NOT a slight reduction in this game.

Brasseurfb16_ESO

Darthryan wrote: »

Mrs. Jones claims that he took that screenshot of what he did with a bow. I already said if can show me a video and prove that was real, id pay him 50 k

This is something I took from his post which explain how he gets a 3K snipe in Cyrodiil

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Combat Prayer
Aggresive Horn (+ Stamina + Weapon dmg)
Charging Maneuver
Flawness Dawnbreaker
Stamina/Weapon Power Potion
be a NB for extra sneak DMG
be a Khajiit/Bosmer for extra sneak DMG
be at max range for max passive bonus
get some badass sets.

with next patch a a NB -> Death Stroke on some animal for a 20% dmg boost

Maybe there is more, but well i don´t run a bow and i don´t care about the max. Snipe dmg :P

impressive

This is another quote that explain why he did that

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Everyone *could* do this with the right set bonuses and setup.

I was 1-shotting people with meteor as Emp, 3800+ damage but that was against vampires and I have no way to guarantee a crit with a spell.

I think the stealth Nerf should address this unless I'm missing other benefits that will ofset it.

You don't balance around the top 1% of players but when balancing any game you should account for all possibilities and combinations. Sometimes players devise a way to use an ability that was never intended and that is when balance is needed.

In all honesty when I made that character I was hoping to troll people on it until Zos get enough complaints and they nerf the power of archers from stealth. but when i got to lvl 50 I heared that stealth dmg was already nerfed on PTS.

I agee with the change somewhat. Snipe is too powerful unless people invest in psn glyphs like arx pointed out, even then people might go for the other morph focused aim and forget about the healing debuff, you are 1 hitting people anyway, so healing debuffing them is just an extra

I dont know how will the stealth nerf affect NB class, i hope it doesnt make them weaker, but there are few good NBs out there that dont even use stealth.

I am sure the good players will learn to adapt and move on.

So basicaly, this guy made a 3K crit on an AFK vampire by using a setup that requieres you to have 2 specific ultimates, 8 skill slots, a lot of prebuffs and pots for a single Snipe shot and in no case can be practice in dynamic encounters.

So stealth got nerfed because of a stupid situational screenshot and paranoid people seeing 3K snipes everywhere...

Brasseurfb16_ESO

Double post

Varicite

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

Darthryan wrote: »

Mrs. Jones claims that he took that screenshot of what he did with a bow. I already said if can show me a video and prove that was real, id pay him 50 k

This is something I took from his post which explain how he gets a 3K snipe in Cyrodiil

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Combat Prayer
Aggresive Horn (+ Stamina + Weapon dmg)
Charging Maneuver
Flawness Dawnbreaker
Stamina/Weapon Power Potion
be a NB for extra sneak DMG
be a Khajiit/Bosmer for extra sneak DMG
be at max range for max passive bonus
get some badass sets.

with next patch a a NB -> Death Stroke on some animal for a 20% dmg boost

Maybe there is more, but well i don´t run a bow and i don´t care about the max. Snipe dmg :P

impressive

This is another quote that explain why he did that

msawwan2ub17_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Everyone *could* do this with the right set bonuses and setup.

I was 1-shotting people with meteor as Emp, 3800+ damage but that was against vampires and I have no way to guarantee a crit with a spell.

I think the stealth Nerf should address this unless I'm missing other benefits that will ofset it.

You don't balance around the top 1% of players but when balancing any game you should account for all possibilities and combinations. Sometimes players devise a way to use an ability that was never intended and that is when balance is needed.

In all honesty when I made that character I was hoping to troll people on it until Zos get enough complaints and they nerf the power of archers from stealth. but when i got to lvl 50 I heared that stealth dmg was already nerfed on PTS.

I agee with the change somewhat. Snipe is too powerful unless people invest in psn glyphs like arx pointed out, even then people might go for the other morph focused aim and forget about the healing debuff, you are 1 hitting people anyway, so healing debuffing them is just an extra

I dont know how will the stealth nerf affect NB class, i hope it doesnt make them weaker, but there are few good NBs out there that dont even use stealth.

I am sure the good players will learn to adapt and move on.

So basicaly, this guy made a 3K crit on an AFK vampire by using a setup that requieres you to have 2 specific ultimates, 8 skill slots, a lot of prebuffs and pots for a single Snipe shot and in no case can be practice in dynamic encounters.

So stealth got nerfed because of a stupid situational screenshot and paranoid people seeing 3K snipes everywhere...

Not seeing any part of your post that tells me this is somehow not possible against any player who happens to be "stupid" enough to not have shields stacked for 2 seconds.

Also not seeing anything that tells me why killing people in 1 second is a good thing for the game.

Brasseurfb16_ESO

Varicite wrote: »

Not seeing any part of your post that tells me this is somehow not possible against any player who happens to be "stupid" enough to not have shields stacked for 2 seconds.

Also not seeing anything that tells me why killing people in 1 second is a good thing for the game.

Seriously man? Don't you see how obvious this rotation is?

Agressive Horn, Charging Maneuvre, Battle Prayer are all powers that requiere you to give out your position when you use them (because they put you out of stealth). So basicaly you are going to appear 3 times at least before you can even cast your snipe.

Piercing Mark is also going to give out which target you are going to focus on.

We are also not speaking about 1sec kill anymore but a rotation which include Agressive Horn -> Charging Maneuvre -> Camouflaged Hunter -> Battle Prayer -> Piercing Mark + Potion -> Snipe

So, we are speaking about a 6sec rotation (at least) that requieres you to use 1/2 of your stamina, 250 ultimate, give out 3 time your position and give out the ennemy you are going to target.

Your Weapon sets need to include
Bow : Snipe / Piercing Mark / Camouflaged Hunter / Flawless Dawnbreaker
Resto Staff : Charging Maneuvre / Battle Prayer / Agressive Horn
If you do that you are clearly going to lack defense because of your low magicka pool and versatility because you won't be able to slot anything usefull in your skillbar...

If someone can't react while you start this obvious rotation, that person deserves to die from a 1 hit Snipe. Because that guy :
- had a whole 6sec to start shield stacking, use detect potion + break rotation or even run away from the fight scene.
- was aware of the ganker presence
- knew exactly who was going to be targeted by the snipe

Telling us there is nothing you can do about that rotation is the worst lie one can invent...