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You nerfed the NB into Oblivion.....
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Soloeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Incorrect to say that this nerf hit everyone.
It is clear that it hit NBs the most, because NB is the only class (other than templar) that has no synergy with the destro staff for single target dps.
Sorcs have critical surge, and destro was their preferred weapon for single target dps prior to this patch. DK has fire damage passives that boosted destro.
This is a massive nerf to NBs, and it is plain and clear.
Wrong, resto was our preferred single target weapon.
This hit sorcs the hardest. We used destro for Impulse/AOE build and resto for single target.
Destro does offer 2 single target abilities but you never like, use them. Crushing Shock is good fun but "not better" than mages wrath. Elemental Weakness is okay-ish, but you never want more than one person in a group to run it because it doesn't stack and most Sorcs are like "not me, not me" because they want to run skills that are good.
NB's got a buff out of this by weakening down the Sorc.
DK's got hit by this too, they used it to keep their mana up for talons/impulse spam.
Templars have good mana and healing all over, and weren't really impacted. They didn't rely on this for damage.
Nightblades have a lot of tools for single target and AoE and didn't really need cycle of life for DPS. Your rage reaction is not merited.
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Dont Shoot✭✭this week it's useless. I might as well roll one up cause by the time I'm VR it'll be OP again.0 -
IKilled007✭✭✭✭If you play a nightblade, you're the problem. Zenimax has made it very clear that they don't want anybody choosing this class. They have emphasized this repeatedly, patch after patch, broken skill after broken skill, nerf after nerf. Play a different class, because nightblade is just some kind of test/beta class not actually meant to be played.The only substitute for victory is overkill.5 -
Soloeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭IKilled007 wrote: »If you play a nightblade, you're the problem. Zenimax has made it very clear that they don't want anybody choosing this class. They have emphasized this repeatedly, patch after patch, broken skill after broken skill, nerf after nerf. Play a different class, because nightblade is just some kind of test/beta class not actually meant to be played.
Conspiracy Theories and False Information are against the Community Rules.
Do you have evidence for your claims? You made several claims, but you have not submitted evidence for your hypothesis. Is your claim a hypothesis or just a belief? How many claims did your statement make?
I don't actually know very many Nightblades who complain when they snipe + venom arrow attack weave into infinite crit stun lock.
Do you get killed in PVP a lot?
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✭Credit needs to go out to ZOS for nerfing a FOTM build. Let's see more of that!0 -
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✭✭✭IKilled007 wrote: »If you play a nightblade, you're the problem. Zenimax has made it very clear that they don't want anybody choosing this class. They have emphasized this repeatedly, patch after patch, broken skill after broken skill, nerf after nerf. Play a different class, because nightblade is just some kind of test/beta class not actually meant to be played.
Yeah I have succumbed to their will. I will go DK as main from mow on.
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Soloeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭IKilled007 wrote: »If you play a nightblade, you're the problem. Zenimax has made it very clear that they don't want anybody choosing this class. They have emphasized this repeatedly, patch after patch, broken skill after broken skill, nerf after nerf. Play a different class, because nightblade is just some kind of test/beta class not actually meant to be played.
Yeah I have succumbed to their will. I will go DK as main from mow on.
Why?
They are next to get nerfed. If you want to be safe, go Templar.
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In PVP resto is preferred for sorcs in single-target fights. I definitely agree on that point.Incorrect to say that this nerf hit everyone.
It is clear that it hit NBs the most, because NB is the only class (other than templar) that has no synergy with the destro staff for single target dps.
Sorcs have critical surge, and destro was their preferred weapon for single target dps prior to this patch. DK has fire damage passives that boosted destro.
This is a massive nerf to NBs, and it is plain and clear.
Wrong, resto was our preferred single target weapon.
This hit sorcs the hardest. We used destro for Impulse/AOE build and resto for single target.
Destro does offer 2 single target abilities but you never like, use them. Crushing Shock is good fun but "not better" than mages wrath. Elemental Weakness is okay-ish, but you never want more than one person in a group to run it because it doesn't stack and most Sorcs are like "not me, not me" because they want to run skills that are good.
NB's got a buff out of this by weakening down the Sorc.
DK's got hit by this too, they used it to keep their mana up for talons/impulse spam.
Templars have good mana and healing all over, and weren't really impacted. They didn't rely on this for damage.
Nightblades have a lot of tools for single target and AoE and didn't really need cycle of life for DPS. Your rage reaction is not merited.
But not necessarily so for PVE. While there are sorcs who use resto for single target, not all of them do so. Furthermore, the important thing is that resto was not the only choice for sorcs. On the other hand, resto was the only choice for magicka NBs. So the resto sorcs had a good fall back to destro staff for single target, while NBs do not.
And how can this be an NB buff simply by weakening of resto staff sorcs? lol are you serious?1 -
Soloeus✭✭✭✭✭
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In PVP resto is preferred for sorcs in single-target fights. I definitely agree on that point.Incorrect to say that this nerf hit everyone.
It is clear that it hit NBs the most, because NB is the only class (other than templar) that has no synergy with the destro staff for single target dps.
Sorcs have critical surge, and destro was their preferred weapon for single target dps prior to this patch. DK has fire damage passives that boosted destro.
This is a massive nerf to NBs, and it is plain and clear.
Wrong, resto was our preferred single target weapon.
This hit sorcs the hardest. We used destro for Impulse/AOE build and resto for single target.
Destro does offer 2 single target abilities but you never like, use them. Crushing Shock is good fun but "not better" than mages wrath. Elemental Weakness is okay-ish, but you never want more than one person in a group to run it because it doesn't stack and most Sorcs are like "not me, not me" because they want to run skills that are good.
NB's got a buff out of this by weakening down the Sorc.
DK's got hit by this too, they used it to keep their mana up for talons/impulse spam.
Templars have good mana and healing all over, and weren't really impacted. They didn't rely on this for damage.
Nightblades have a lot of tools for single target and AoE and didn't really need cycle of life for DPS. Your rage reaction is not merited.
But not necessarily so for PVE. While there are sorcs who use resto for single target, not all of them do so. Furthermore, the important thing is that resto was not the only choice for sorcs. On the other hand, resto was the only choice for magicka NBs. So the resto sorcs had a good fall back to destro staff for single target, while NBs do not.
And how can this be an NB buff simply by weakening of resto staff sorcs? lol are you serious?
Now you are just trolling. Magicka NB's have several options. Resto Staves is one of them, but not the only one. The redeeming property in it, is that heavy attacks regenerate magicka. That is why NB's use Resto Staff. I know a few NB's who also go with Dual Wield/Bow who have a lot of fun.
Sorcs have several good options for AoE or Single Target. We can also choose between CC or Damage Burst. Sorcs in PVP situations are normally at one of two hit point values: Full or None. Usually when a Sorc gets caught, game over. Having the Cycle of Life passive give extra damage hurt the Resto Staff as a form of DPS.
Mages Wrath - Proc Crystal Fragments - Mages Wrath - Mages Wrath - Proc Fragments. Heavy Attack to restore some mana + maintain DPS. What allows this cycle to continue, is the mana regeneration.
When you need to use an expensive 700+ cost spell, you need to recover mana with a Resto Staff. Resto Staff is the best weapon for Sorcerer. Meanwhile, nightblades are attack weaving for over 2.4k hp with venom arrow, bow, snipe. Are you complaining those nightblades are OP?
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Leeric✭✭✭✭With the nerf of the restoration staff, you entirely cracked the NB. It is because the NB not only loosing 10% (roughly 7% effectively) damage, it is loosing 10% selfheal too. So lets summarize this class:
The class is completly useless now!
Soooo because a night blade can't using a healing staff as a DPS item the class is broken now? NB need buffs I agree, but this is just ridiculous.4 -
Soloeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭With the nerf of the restoration staff, you entirely cracked the NB. It is because the NB not only loosing 10% (roughly 7% effectively) damage, it is loosing 10% selfheal too. So lets summarize this class:
The class is completly useless now!
Soooo because a night blade can't using a healing staff as a DPS item the class is broken now? NB need buffs I agree, but this is just ridiculous.
Exactly! Some abilities in the NB need buffed, we all agree on that. The OP isn't even worth the effort. He is just a Rhetorical Character. Seriously, just look at his posts, you can see from a mile away.
I wonder if he was mad when Bolt Escape was nerfed, or if he only complains when something he likes using is nerfed? Hmm. The world we live in.
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Leeric✭✭✭✭I mean as a VR 14 sorcerer I've been trying to level all weapons but I keep Resto Staff always. So shouldn't I be complaining how much this affects my play style? Having a resto staff doing fantastic dps was silly as it was.1
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Mumyo✭✭✭✭✭LOL i have Nightblades in my trials group that actually do 1.4k sometimes even more! Guess some people need to do some more research.
In PvP they are also very very nice. The problem ist that most of them are not smart enough for their class.
I am a Templar and i have max 800 dps... even heard of some doing almost 1k.
It's not u needing a buff. It's Dragonknight that needs a huge nerf kicking them back into stoneage because they are THAT overpowered giving everyone wrong impressions of their own class.2 -
Mumyo✭✭✭✭✭With the nerf of the restoration staff, you entirely cracked the NB. It is because the NB not only loosing 10% (roughly 7% effectively) damage, it is loosing 10% selfheal too. So lets summarize this class:
The class is completly useless now!
Soooo because a night blade can't using a healing staff as a DPS item the class is broken now? NB need buffs I agree, but this is just ridiculous.
Nightblade surely needs NO buffs. They need a few fixes for pvp but definately no buff... where u wanna go! They allready kill people in 1 sec in case they are not prepared and thats what Nightblades are made for!
I got 3.2k health and the few good nightblades out there kill me very very fast on the open field. I really don't know what u wish for? They have very nice support for trial groups and good dps, in PvP they have awesome burst and escapeability.
Im sure u are one of those spamming "Funel health" not understanding their class.
Be specific pls. What buffs do u want???
Meaning no offense but all that Nightblade crying is a rediculous joke to me.
There is so many awesome ways to play a Nightblade.2 -
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I love how every time you see a super high dps guy they forget to mention the small details like the pvp buffs.robertlive2014 wrote: »
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✭robertlive2014 wrote: »
Homing on a server with all pvp buffs should well be considered the norm by now. This gear is not optimal, missing my soulshine set and the gods have only given me a hundred stamina pieces so no aether set. Remember this is with Siphoning Attacks on, which probably would be considered a crime against humanity by normal standards. Anyways I'm comfortably over 1,2k post-nerf, which is well beyond what's required, so wtf would I care about this "nerf".
Resto is no longer the best weapon, good. I just wish destro light attacks hit harder than resto, would make more sense honestly. At least I have pretty fire now.
Edit: + lol, yes I did more healing because that's what funnel health does. It hits more targets than one. If you couldn't figure that one out I'm afraid this debate is kinda pointless.. not like I stopped DPS:ing to heal. I'd think that's another strong point of the NB build, it heals a bunch together with high damage.
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I love how every time you see a super high dps guy they forget to mention the small details like the pvp buffs.robertlive2014 wrote: »
Because any serious pve:r has them. Anything else would be putting yourself at a disadvantage because it's fun. Hint: it doesn't make you better.
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✭✭✭✭✭As a NB, I have to say this is a pretty bad thread. The resto is not a NB ability and has nothing to do exclusively with NBs (sure, I saw the whole synergy argument, but that's not enough to label it a NB exclusive weapon). They are not needed to be powerful. A nerf, btw, that makes sense - how stupid was it that you get a damage bonus using a healing staff and everyone was running around with them while not even actually healing. Get over it, move on. If you can't make a character that has good output without the staff, you have more problems than this 'nerf'. I'm sorry, but my fellow NBs and many of their 'complaints' do not help the class get the real issues fixed.-- @xaraan --
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And how many times do you see those small details mentioned when a player is complaining about someone else's DPS?I love how every time you see a super high dps guy they forget to mention the small details like the pvp buffs.
Not sure if that is a spelling error or intended.....but I like it.Yeah I have succumbed to their will. I will go DK as main from mow on.
Could be the new DK tooltip description
DK - mow on.
Edited by Nightreaver on September 30, 2014 10:09PMIf they ever create a Legendary recipe it better contain bacon as one of the ingredients. I'm just sayin'.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Hi, any build that relied on resto staff for the damage was nerfed into oblivion not just NBs.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Zubba✭✭✭I used a resto staff for a long time. And this patch did not nerf the NB. It's a good thing to remove damage bonus from a healing weapon.Add PvP loot drops for some risk/reward in this game.
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✭Oh no...DPS casters no longer use HEALING STAFF!!! The sky is falling!Force weapon swap to have priority over EVERYTHING. Close enough.
Make stamina builds even with magicka builds.
Disable abilities while holding block.
Give us a REASON to do dungeons more than once.
Remove PVP AoE CAP. It is ruining Cyrodiil.
Fix/Remove Forward Camps. They are ruining Cyrodiil.
Impenetrability needs to REDUCE CRIT DAMAGE. Not negate entire builds.
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Unfortunately, not every alliance has a buff server. By this logic any serious pve'r should also have the former emperor bonus, because emp trading should well be considered the norm by now.Because any serious pve:r has them. Anything else would be putting yourself at a disadvantage because it's fun. Hint: it doesn't make you better.
You are quite wrong about this. Notice the fellow with 1.2k DPS did 1.7k HPS. Healing staff was the perfect caster NB weapon. The cycle of life passive was a great synergy that offset the lower damage of resto staff, compared to destro staff. The full bonus required the player to be at full health, so it wasn't without balance in the first place... everyone was running around with them while not even actually healing2 -
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✭✭um ok I am confused. How does the supposed nerf to the restoration staff effect A entire class? Me personal I don't think restoration been nerfed but made to what IT IS a healing tool not a DPS tool.0 -
robertlive2014✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »um ok I am confused. How does the supposed nerf to the restoration staff effect A entire class? Me personal I don't think restoration been nerfed but made to what IT IS a healing tool not a DPS tool.
Why are healing and DPS mutually exclusive? You can clearly see in the example shown above that the caster NB does both very well.1 -
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agreed, good point, thanksBut not necessarily so for PVE. While there are sorcs who use resto for single target, not all of them do so. Furthermore, the important thing is that resto was not the only choice for sorcs. On the other hand, resto was the only choice for magicka NBs. So the resto sorcs had a good fall back to destro staff for single target, while NBs do not.
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