AoE Cap Removal

Davadin

It was uncapped. Then people complained. Then it was capped. Then we got balls of firebats rolling everything in its path with no way of stopping them.

Seems like we gotta pick the lesser of two evils. Let DK reign the fields of terror (or other class capable of AoE, naturally), or let unleash the firebats of Mordor!


.... wait. Wrong game.

Anyway. AoE cap. In PvP. Remove them???

Huntler

dsoegiartob16_ESO wrote: »

It was uncapped. Then people complained. Then it was capped.

Wow this thread again. *Eyeroll*

And if you're going to post about something at least make sure you're right. Everything was always capped, there were just some abilities that were inadvertently uncapped and Zeni fixed them. Facts. Use them.

Davadin

Yay

Yeah, true. Just grabbing what the forums been screaming about. So I thought to talk in their terminology. "AoE caps". In a skill or wherever whatever it is.

To capped? Or not to capped? That is the question.

Nox_Aeterna

Yay

I dont really care one way or the other in this case.

So i went with an yay.

Arowe_eso

Nay

As much as I want to see 3 dks hold hundreds back at a breach... No

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

Yay

Lol 100% yey

lets make pvp more challenging please shall we, remove bats too.

darkdruidssb14_ESO

Yay

Huntler wrote: »

dsoegiartob16_ESO wrote: »

It was uncapped. Then people complained. Then it was capped.

Wow this thread again. *Eyeroll*

And if you're going to post about something at least make sure you're right. Everything was always capped, there were just some abilities that were inadvertently uncapped and Zeni fixed them. Facts. Use them.

I vote no cap... but we always had a cap like the above poster mentions. We just didn't know what that cap was exactly. The only things without caps are siege... same as it was before they corrected their information on AoE caps. Some abilities had higher caps than intended and they were toned down to follow similar abilities.

eliisra

What's with these choices? Only 6 targets or Armageddon?

I don't want to remove them fully, I dont think any sane player wants that. Consider HP drains like Inhale or Devouring Swarm. That stuff makes players immortals with infinite targets.

Instead I want to add more targets on offensive AoE abilities. Today it's only 6, making it very hard to damage someone hiding in a cluster of 20+. Even harder with all the healing and shield-stacking going on. You take more damage by spreading out, than stacking, right now. Shouldn't be able to avoid taking dmg, hiding behind numbers.

darkdruidssb14_ESO

Yay

eliisra wrote: »

What's with these choices? Only 6 targets or Armageddon?

I don't want to remove them fully, I dont think any sane player wants that. Consider HP drains like Inhale or Devouring Swarm. That stuff makes players immortals with infinite targets.

Instead I want to add more targets on offensive AoE abilities. Today it's only 6, making it very hard to damage someone hiding in a cluster of 20+. Even harder with all the healing and shield-stacking going on. You take more damage by spreading out, than stacking, right now. Shouldn't be able to avoid taking dmg, hiding behind numbers.

Devouring Swarm is an offensive ultimate...

ThyIronFist

Yay

AoE caps are killing PvP.

seneferab16_ESO

Yay

IF they come with a pretty big player AoE nerf and siege buff.

Player cast AoE should _never_ be the go to damage type for I-win PvP, sieges should take care of that. Takes some time to set up, cast and give a nice red circle as a warning. People dying to siege deserve it.

Zintair

Huntler wrote: »

dsoegiartob16_ESO wrote: »

It was uncapped. Then people complained. Then it was capped.

Wow this thread again. *Eyeroll*

And if you're going to post about something at least make sure you're right. Everything was always capped, there were just some abilities that were inadvertently uncapped and Zeni fixed them. Facts. Use them.

This 100%

Columba

Nay

how about increase them, test, learn and adapt?

supernico

Nay

are we insane? we already are complaining about fire ring/bat swarm/Aoe Barbeque (pun intended ) FEST, do we want aoe cap removed? Incoming genoncide!

This is by far the most mindless thread on an internet forum. Ever. I'm literally face-palm irl.

krim

Yay

Arowe_eso wrote: »

As much as I want to see 3 dks hold hundreds back at a breach... No

supernico wrote: »

are we insane? we already are complaining about fire ring/bat swarm/Aoe Barbeque FEST, do we want aoe cap removed?
are we really this mentally challenged?

This is by far the most mindless thread on an internet forum. Ever. I'm literally face-palm irl.

This is the first one you have seen? AoE cap threads like this have been around for some time already. I have always been vocal about my thoughts on the matter at first. I already do fine with 20+ people on me(solo) and i always said people just need to learn the mechanics of the game better. No one wants to listen to trolly krim though hes just trying to troll you. Lets remove aoe caps so I can solo push your group with even more ease. One day without aoe caps and the people with tank aoe builds or batswarm builds are going to have people on the forums in a complete whiny complainy frenzy.

Im all for it though hahahaha.

FluffiestOne

Yay

The amount of zergs that will be wiped by Fluffy will make me consider playing again. *Chuckle*

Asgari

Yay

I want my negate sorc back! Streak with shields and immovable please

Phinix1

Where's my "Buff DK and Sorc" thread?

I feel so under-represented.

Dudis

Yay

Uncapping AoE would just change the meta (for the better imo).

1) NO MORE BLOBS! People would be forced to spread out to counter AoE, making single target abilities stronger by comparison.

2) Keep defenders get an advantage since they can easier defend a chokepoint opening up all kinds of posibilities that are already possible but rarely used such as
- Needing more than one hole in the wall
- Defenders can use gank squads to pick people off that aren't with the main zerg
- etc...

3) It would mean more people will run duel/skirmish builds rather than just being optimized for sieging. In combination with nerfed tents, we'd actually get decent open field smallscale action again!

krim

Yay

Dudis wrote: »

Uncapping AoE would just change the meta (for the better imo).

1) NO MORE BLOBS! People would be forced to spread out to counter AoE, making single target abilities stronger by comparison.

2) Keep defenders get an advantage since they can easier defend a chokepoint opening up all kinds of posibilities that are already possible but rarely used such as
- Needing more than one hole in the wall
- Defenders can use gank squads to pick people off that aren't with the main zerg
- etc...

3) It would mean more people will run duel/skirmish builds rather than just being optimized for sieging. In combination with nerfed tents, we'd actually get decent open field smallscale action again!

PURE speculation.

Agrippa_Invisus

I doubt they'll ever remove the cap, and the consequences of doing so might be rather different than the magical thinking that seems to be going on.

OTOH, modifying the AOE cap might be a better choice. Up it to 8-10 targets, maybe drop the damage slightly, and you'll be able to handle the larger groups a bit better.

At the same time, removing AE caps completely promotes more use of Impulse (and others) spam, even without zergballing.

GRxKnight

By removing aoe caps your going to come in contact with that one person who hits impulse three times, hits a crap ton of people, pops bats, rinse and repeat.i think people are forgetting this portion of removing the AoE cap.

Dudis

Yay

krim wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

[...]

PURE speculation.

Never claimed anything else


I don't know but my game (and normal) logic just says you shouldn't benefit from putting MORE people in the damaging AoE.
If they remove the cap they also need to add a falloff, meaning you take less damage the further from the source you are when getting hit.

I just don't see any other way to change the current zerg-blob meta.

krim

Yay

Dudis wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Dudis wrote: »

[...]

PURE speculation.

Never claimed anything else


I don't know but my game (and normal) logic just says you shouldn't benefit from putting MORE people in the damaging AoE.
If they remove the cap they also need to add a falloff, meaning you take less damage the further from the source you are when getting hit.

I just don't see any other way to change the current zerg-blob meta.

More people running better builds.

Monsoon

Yay

WTB AOE cap removal and Friendly Fire turned on once a week on Saturday night...PST

Aoe_Barbecue

Yay

In an open world PvP game, overwhelming numbers are already an advantage. There is no need to make mechanics to enhance this further. There could be a hard ultimate gain cap per skill used to balance AoE caps. Certain skills would have to retain limited targets for portions of the skill due to the nature of the skill too. Sap Essence could damage everyone in its radius, but only calculate its effects for 6 for example. Inhale would need to keep a hard AoE cap for the inhale and a "soft" (hitting everyone, calculating effects for 6) exhale portions, to avoid immortal DK's and inhale also becoming a magicka heal.

I suspect there would be a noticeable improvement to server performance as well. The server would not need to calculate six specific targets for each specific player for entire zerg v zerg v zerg battles, except for certain skills. This would give better smaller groups better efficiency verses disorganized big groups, while disorganized big groups would benefit from, for example, Healing Springs not having an AoE cap for the heal portion.

Akgurd

Yay

Yay! God mode for my dk! Bring it on:D

Xsorus

Yay

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

I doubt they'll ever remove the cap, and the consequences of doing so might be rather different than the magical thinking that seems to be going on.

OTOH, modifying the AOE cap might be a better choice. Up it to 8-10 targets, maybe drop the damage slightly, and you'll be able to handle the larger groups a bit better.

At the same time, removing AE caps completely promotes more use of Impulse (and others) spam, even without zergballing.

While it would promote more use of impulse, you'd see groups far less willing to stack up to do it.

Even Odds

Nay

This game already has a huge problem with elite no life losers who play together every day ruining PVP for casual players.

AOE Caps are the only thing that holds these "elite" PVP guilds in check and gives casual players a fighting chance. (simply due to the fact that casuals have the ability to form a zerg and to outnumber the l33t's and beat them by sheer force of overwhelming numbers).

Be careful what you wish for because if AOE caps are removed you will have 8 man groups wiping out 100 man zergs of casuals who will never set foot in PVP again afterwards.

I have witnessed what happens in DAOC with this sort of thing.

Removing AOE caps will take all enjoyment away from PVP for all but the "leet doods" who play together 12 hours a day and will exploit the crap out of AOE CC followed by AOE DPS to wipe out ridiculous amounts of people at once.

ThyIronFist

Yay

Even Odds wrote: »

This game already has a huge problem with elite no life losers who play together every day ruining PVP for casual players.

AOE Caps are the only thing that holds these "elite" PVP guilds in check and gives casual players a fighting chance. (simply due to the fact that casuals have the ability to form a zerg and to outnumber the l33t's and beat them by sheer force of overwhelming numbers).

Be careful what you wish for because if AOE caps are removed you will have 8 man groups wiping out 100 man zergs of casuals who will never set foot in PVP again afterwards.

I have witnessed what happens in DAOC with this sort of thing.

Removing AOE caps will take all enjoyment away from PVP for all but the "leet doods" who play together 12 hours a day and will exploit the crap out of AOE CC followed by AOE DPS to wipe out ridiculous amounts of people at once.

And what is wrong with a group of 8 organized people wiping a 100 "casuals"?

People currently hide in zerg blobs because they are safe inside a zergball. Why? Because of the Aoe caps.

Columba

Nay

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Even Odds wrote: »

This game already has a huge problem with elite no life losers who play together every day ruining PVP for casual players.

AOE Caps are the only thing that holds these "elite" PVP guilds in check and gives casual players a fighting chance. (simply due to the fact that casuals have the ability to form a zerg and to outnumber the l33t's and beat them by sheer force of overwhelming numbers).

Be careful what you wish for because if AOE caps are removed you will have 8 man groups wiping out 100 man zergs of casuals who will never set foot in PVP again afterwards.

I have witnessed what happens in DAOC with this sort of thing.

Removing AOE caps will take all enjoyment away from PVP for all but the "leet doods" who play together 12 hours a day and will exploit the crap out of AOE CC followed by AOE DPS to wipe out ridiculous amounts of people at once.

And what is wrong with a group of 8 organized people wiping a 100 "casuals"?

People currently hide in zerg blobs because they are safe inside a zergball. Why? Because of the Aoe caps.

What's wrong with that? It's immoral.