Zeni, can we get a timeframe for new soloable content?
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DragonLane555✭✭✭@Audigy
Nowhere did I say that I don't want to play solo, what I said was that I don't want people like him destroy MMOs any further because they want everything solo without group activities.
How is he, or I, or anyone destroying MMOs? MMOs are for-profit companies so MMOs are what the majority want them to be. If all in the end game content remains cut off from solo players for too long. The solo player base will eventually leave. This will cause a huge drop in profits, if the solo players do make up a majority, then this could lead to the game going under.
That's why most MMO's try to cater to both sides. They have normal questing for solos, dungeons and her heroic quests for quick groups, and of course Raiding for the big endgame grouping. This way every type of player always has something to do.
So unless you think the majority our group players, it may very well be you was on the track to destroying this MMO.1-50 was all solo and while I felt it was a mistake to have level up content fully focused on solo play I did accept this as there was the great VR content still available. But this wasn't enough for him, no he and the others supporting his view now demanded that also the VR content had to be solo and ZO did cater to their demands and destroyed VR 1-10.
You need to understand one thing, there are people playing MMOs who don't have the time or attitude to raid and for them all they got are those open world group activities to enjoy their MMO time.
Right now VR 12 and in future VR 14 is all that group oriented non raiders have. It is incredible selfish to demand that they lose all their content for even more solo content. No offence but 1-50 and VR 1-10 is already solo what else do these people want? They have the most content already in the game and still try to deny everyone else their content.
Its just greedy and this is something I can not support whether you like it or not
I understand where you're coming from I really do, and I mean that. Back when I played WoW 10 or so years ago I really wanted to play a warrior who could do the same single target DPS as a rogue. Very few people would get behind that saying that it was unfair that a class that could wear plate should do the same amount of damage as one who could only wear leather. It was disheartening and one of the reasons I left WoW.
With that said what you have to ask yourself is, “am I and the people who enjoyed my play style in the majority or the minority”. If the answer is the minority then it's not the people asking for solo content who are being selfish, it is you.
I mean think about it according to what you're saying here you don't want solo content in VR because you want to be able to group up for quests, and you feel that if there was an option to go level up solo somewhere else that no one would want to group and therefore you would not be able to play the way you want. In other words, what you're saying is you want people to be forced to group with you. You don't care if they like it or not, because you like doing it that way and so long as you're happy it doesn't matter how they feel. Because that's what you're saying.My only motivation right now is VR 12 and VR 14 and if this is also removed due their demands then I simply put have nothing left in that game. I cant be the only person thinking like that, there must be more people who are not interested in trials or dungeons but the open world questing who see "their" content in danger.
The same development WOW took, I first didn't notice it due my raiding schedule but when I quit I was left with nothing to do there.
The answer can and should not be that everyone who likes interaction must do trials or dungeons so that the rest can be solo. This is an awkward design choice that I cant support.
In my opinion the reasoning of those "all solo" people is very self focused and they don't see that there are people who actually enjoy the open world adventures with others.
Sitting there and demanding that people play the way you want them to even if that's not fun for them is selfish. I mean at least what we are asking for here leaves the option open for you to find people who want to group up and do the group quests in Craglorn. What you're saying is you don't even want us to have the option to solo. Who's really being selfish here? I mean to sit there and say that you want people to not be able to play the way they want because it's not the way you want to play, but that they should have to play the way you want so you get to play the way you want is the deepest hypocrisy. There is no malice in this post,we are all friends here, I'm just trying to make you see what you're saying.5 -
Swampster✭✭✭Right now VR 12 and in future VR 14 is all that group oriented non raiders have. It is incredible selfish to demand that they lose all their content for even more solo content.
What a crock... nobody anywhere (besides you and your ilk) is suggesting group players lose all their content!
Aside from the fact VR12 and VR14 ISN'T content.. they're character levels. Craglorn is the content.. YOU and your over excited 'groupies' can keep all that stuff, and even have some more over time...no problem, I doubt you'll find anyone here would argue against that.No offence but 1-50 and VR 1-10 is already solo what else do these people want? They have the most content already in the game and still try to deny everyone else their content.
1-50, and VR1-12(14) are levels! simple as! and to argue the VR ranks are not levels is simply arguing ridiculous semantics..
And YET AGAIN... NOBODY is trying to deny ANYBODY any content, so calm down and cut out the theatrics!
Here's one for you Sherlock... now we all reach VR10, you and your groupie friends can merrily play away through Craglorn from now until the cows come home, and in the process attain VR12.. you can repeat the trials over and over, plus you're getting even more content in the pipeline, that will also be rewarding and repeatable... hurrah all is good in the world!?
Then there's those selfish soloists PVE'ers.. now at VR10 they've gone through all the SAME content that you have done (yes YOU as a groupie have still consumed that "90%" of the game's content, solo or not), they're paying the SAME subs as you, however what do they have to do between now and next March (or whenever?). How do they push on to VR14, do they have any rewarding and repeatable content? Is there a viable alternate route to VR14?
The answer is no.. so what do you think is going to happen to large swathes of those people? I'll tell you what... lots of them will probably unsub and go elsewhere.
Now you're probably sat there thinking to yourself.. 'woo yay good riddance', but be careful what you wish for. When all those selfish soloists clear off.. and the suits in ZOS Towers start looking at the financials, I hope you'll be happy with your F2P game..Its just greedy and this is something I can not support whether you like it or not
Point of fact.. there was NOTHING stopping you (dodgy mechanics aside) from grouping through the Levels 1-VR10 if you wanted to. You might argue it makes the content through those levels too trivial by doing so? So what! The way you have described the content between 1-VR10 it was trivial anyway and seemed like it must have been a burdonsome chore, so by grouping you'd have got through it much quicker and onto your beloved 'group worthy content', and you'd have had the added bonus of "meeting" people while you were at it.. becasue that's the important thing right?
So who's the greedy one here...
You consumed ALL the game's content, and you still have repeatable and worthwhile content to entertain you, but you want more at the expense of those who've only experienced "90%" of the game? Because you play the game differently to many others I take it you think your $15 is more valuable than a soloists $15 then?Edited by Swampster on August 24, 2014 10:42AMSwampriel - Nightblade (Archer Build) - Ebonheart Pact - Veteran
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BergisMacBride✭✭✭✭✭The controversy on this subject can all be laid directly at the feet of ZOS for their handling of content at release and in all subsequent updates. Had the game been designed with somewhat equitable attention paid to solo, group and/or raiding at all levels, then they wouldn't have to be playing this continual game of catchup and readjustments. As it stands now and with update 1.4, there will a dichotomous and abrupt schism of content at VR10, with primarily solo content below and group/raid content above. Most reasonable folks should see this is not good for the future health of the game.
What this does is basically ensure that well before Wrothgar is released, there will be a huge nerf to the Craglorns along the same lines that VR1-10 was nerfed. Group players and raiders will get through the content and then solo players will hit the gated content wall at VR 10 with nothing to do. Huge cries for nerf or give us something will arise from solo players and the nerf will follow. Group-oriented players will be justifiably outraged and then in response another update will be released containing a group zone and no content for soloers. The cycle continues thus....come to think of it, the conspiracy theorist in me wonders if this could actually be what the devs have planned all along for the game: group zone release-->nerf it for soloers-->group zone release-->nerf it for soloers....
I love MMOs and have played them dating back to DAoC. I love the virtual world where thousands of other humans are around doing different things at the same time. I also primarily like to play solo in MMOs for several reasons. I do not want to see this happen. Groups should have and deserve their content at all levels and not have it watered down for soloers after the fact. Raiders should get their high level raids that are challenging for them with the best in game rewards for their hard work and dedication. Soloers should have access to content at all levels too, although I understand that rewards and leveling should be slower than those playing grouped content or raiding. PvPers should get theirs too.
The current system makes sure that at any given time, there is at least one significant group of the player base upset. The only solution I can think of to end this unfortunate cycle developing is for ZoS to take a hard look at what they are doing with content releases and do a complete rework of their approach. Some suggestions would be to either alternate content releases for each playstyle in a set pattern (group/raid update-->solo update-->PvP update-->repeat the cycle) or make sure that each content release has at least something meaningful in it for everyone.4 -
Anastasia✭✭✭✭Pangnirtung wrote: »@magnusnet, I don't see why how I like to play is any of your concern when I am saying, more power to the group players.
I can choose to group when I want, that is an MMOG. Being forced to group in the higher levels of the game is not my choice. Not everyone here thinks the same way as you. I don't expect you to think the way that I do.
Expecting to play everything in an MMORPG alone is unrealistic. IMO and in the minds of many there is too much solo content. Many of us had to grindfest to VR12 just to actually feel like we're playing an MMO. Don't want more of that, sorry and it's already a big mistake that the game is soloable till VR10.
Actually I dont get that impression from his question.. but by your own logic... it makes sense he would ask especially since there HAS been solo content available the entire way of the game up to lvl10, lol. To of a sudden not offer those players any for the forseeable - as yet, unspecified - future, is a fairly glaring contradiction, which is likely why so many are asking about it.
For myself I am all to happy to raid into the next millenium, hehe. But not everyone in an MMO like that so I see nothing wrong with people wanting solo stuff as well - at vet levels too.
NO. Solo PvE content WAS NOT available the entire way of this MMO up to lvl V+ 10 " l-o-l." V+ 1-10 was originally designed/created/envisioned as the mid to upper level GROUPING content. I have no inside scoop on why the hedoublel ZOS changed it. People can surmise all day long about why it was changed.
But it most certainly was NOT meant to be solo-centric, it was meant for grouping fun, group learning, player earning, and player prepping so as to arrive at endgame with the knowledge, practice and experience that would result in the most effective characters as they headed into V+ 11 - 12 etc. Unfortunately, it certainly IS solo from cradle to current endgame in TESO NOW.
Perhaps as this MMO seasons...the amount of solo vs group content will be on par. But the outright, literal misrepresentation that this MMO has little to no solo zone play makes me get alllll sarcastic. And soloers who HAVE concentrated on that solo style of play should be posting mad messages EVERYWHERE so they can find like-minded individuals who have ANY plans of going forward further into endgame.
Cause while I'm betting there will be some additional solo pathways, its going to be a cold day in err, Tamriel for those who don't care to ready themselves. If solo play is truely one's very favorite playstyle (*and thats fine) -- then whatever ZOS does put in that is primarily group-centric shouldn't really bother you or be on your radar. Enjoy other aspects of the MMO until your preferred playstyle content gets put in later, ie Wrothgar etc. After all, ASIDE from the upcoming grouping content you are so annoyed about, there is fantastic stuff like the two new Guilds and their questlines, the JUSTICE SYSTEM - WOOT! IMPERIAL CITY!
We understand...its frustrating, VERY. You know why I know? Because its exactly the same feeling we had back 'when' on the July 7th Nerf in V+ area. That is what was annoying to those of us who wanted mid to upper level grouping content and hoped ZOS would provide/change/redo/make some corrections so we'd all have greater e x p group bonuses, better group loot/rewards, fixed phasing and a working groupfinder, have been having to do while we kicked the mudcrabs around WAITING on some quality group content after V+ 1 - 10 got NERFED.
Don't worry, it'll be ok - you may even decide to try some of the awesome grouping opportunities available in the higher levels of this MMO!
And maybe ZOS will give you a heads up or some sort of time frame as to when your solo centric content will be getting implemented. That will be more than I had to hedge my queries with for a long while as I fiddled around doing anything ELSE I could possibly find to do, RATHER THAN skip along through what used to be challenging, interesting group content in Vet+.
Looking forward to just about everything that is on TESO's horizon in the next year myself. If we ever get a decent STAM REGEN, I'll resub for a year.
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nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭AoC had a very nice solution to this problem. Each zone has a normal and a heroic version and you can chose to enter either. In heroic everything is group only and the rewards are greater and in normal mode most is solo only and the rewards are less.
So they just need to create alternate versions of the Craglorn zones and have people make a choice as to which one they want to enter and voila group players and soloers both have content.3 -
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Not sure if this was your intention or not but I don't like it if people twist my words. In general the thread has once again been taken over by a very hostile crowd just like the other threads about that matter. Its always the same and this makes it very hard to actually have a good discussion at this forum.
While I always respected people who wanted solo content in an MMO it is very hard to actually still defend or find a reasoning behind their desires as they act very rude and disrespectful towards group players. (not you but others here)
Way too much swearing and personal attacking going on from their side therefore I let them rage and just quote what I said earlier.I don't want solo content to be removed or held back, I want group content to stay so that players are able to decide what they want to do. It would had been totally fine if they had added a solo quest line at the old VR zones like the fighters guild or mages guild were. There is nothing wrong with it, I keep saying since weeks that in my opinion zones should offer content for all and not a single group. That's why I disliked ZOs design choice of two AVs with one for groups and another for Singleplayers as this wont fix anything. People who don't want to enter the group zone will still complain just like they complain now. It would had been much better to make one AV with solo and group content (non raid).
This is an MMO after all and to exclude a specific type of player from one zone is silly. Its bad enough that this happens at dungeons and trials already, it doesn't need to happen at AVs as well.3 -
Soulshine✭✭✭✭✭
✭Pangnirtung wrote: »@magnusnet, I don't see why how I like to play is any of your concern when I am saying, more power to the group players.
I can choose to group when I want, that is an MMOG. Being forced to group in the higher levels of the game is not my choice. Not everyone here thinks the same way as you. I don't expect you to think the way that I do.
Expecting to play everything in an MMORPG alone is unrealistic. IMO and in the minds of many there is too much solo content. Many of us had to grindfest to VR12 just to actually feel like we're playing an MMO. Don't want more of that, sorry and it's already a big mistake that the game is soloable till VR10.
Actually I dont get that impression from his question.. but by your own logic... it makes sense he would ask especially since there HAS been solo content available the entire way of the game up to lvl10, lol. To of a sudden not offer those players any for the forseeable - as yet, unspecified - future, is a fairly glaring contradiction, which is likely why so many are asking about it.
For myself I am all to happy to raid into the next millenium, hehe. But not everyone in an MMO like that so I see nothing wrong with people wanting solo stuff as well - at vet levels too.
NO. Solo PvE content WAS NOT available the entire way of this MMO up to lvl V+ 10 " l-o-l." V+ 1-10 was originally designed/created/envisioned as the mid to upper level GROUPING content. I have no inside scoop on why the hedoublel ZOS changed it. People can surmise all day long about why it was changed.
But it most certainly was NOT meant to be solo-centric, it was meant for grouping fun, group learning, player earning, and player prepping so as to arrive at endgame with the knowledge, practice and experience that would result in the most effective characters as they headed into V+ 11 - 12 etc. Unfortunately, it certainly IS solo from cradle to current endgame in TESO NOW.
Perhaps as this MMO seasons...the amount of solo vs group content will be on par. But the outright, literal misrepresentation that this MMO has little to no solo zone play makes me get alllll sarcastic. And soloers who HAVE concentrated on that solo style of play should be posting mad messages EVERYWHERE so they can find like-minded individuals who have ANY plans of going forward further into endgame.
Cause while I'm betting there will be some additional solo pathways, its going to be a cold day in err, Tamriel for those who don't care to ready themselves. If solo play is truely one's very favorite playstyle (*and thats fine) -- then whatever ZOS does put in that is primarily group-centric shouldn't really bother you or be on your radar. Enjoy other aspects of the MMO until your preferred playstyle content gets put in later, ie Wrothgar etc. After all, ASIDE from the upcoming grouping content you are so annoyed about, there is fantastic stuff like the two new Guilds and their questlines, the JUSTICE SYSTEM - WOOT! IMPERIAL CITY!
We understand...its frustrating, VERY. You know why I know? Because its exactly the same feeling we had back 'when' on the July 7th Nerf in V+ area. That is what was annoying to those of us who wanted mid to upper level grouping content and hoped ZOS would provide/change/redo/make some corrections so we'd all have greater e x p group bonuses, better group loot/rewards, fixed phasing and a working groupfinder, have been having to do while we kicked the mudcrabs around WAITING on some quality group content after V+ 1 - 10 got NERFED.
Don't worry, it'll be ok - you may even decide to try some of the awesome grouping opportunities available in the higher levels of this MMO!
And maybe ZOS will give you a heads up or some sort of time frame as to when your solo centric content will be getting implemented. That will be more than I had to hedge my queries with for a long while as I fiddled around doing anything ELSE I could possibly find to do, RATHER THAN skip along through what used to be challenging, interesting group content in Vet+.
Looking forward to just about everything that is on TESO's horizon in the next year myself. If we ever get a decent STAM REGEN, I'll resub for a year.
LOL! Did you actually read thgis thread? First off, I am already at vr12 and made my way through VR content pre nerf. I have spent and will continue to spend my own time playing group content, completing Trials and dungeons because that is what I like. I am in no way going to change that. This is not about my own personal playstyle, but the health of the game which includes ALL playstyles.
Second, perhaps you played a different game than the rest of us did. Because YES there has been solo content available from level 1 to vr10, and yes it was WAI since beta. If you completed all three factions story lines and quests you would make easily make one VR rank per zone - read: if you chose to. Many did. Not exactly my personal cup of tea but hey, some folks like that. No one has suggested "this MMO has little to no solo zone play." They are pointing out, rightly, that it's always been an option. An OPTION.
Third, I have stated that I think those people who want the option to solo play through ranks vr10-14 (NOT including myself in that group) should have that option since a) it's the pattern ZoS already established for them and more importantly b) there is absolutely nothing wrong with ppl wanting to have that option. People are not clamoring for taking away group content but asking for the option to solo as they would like. And incidentally, those people who do solo only don't DO groups anyway so that doesn't affect you or me. As is I personally raid with guildmates anyway, not PuGs.
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DragonLane555✭✭✭@Audigy@Dragonlane555
Not sure if this was your intention or not but I don't like it if people twist my words. In general the thread has once again been taken over by a very hostile crowd just like the other threads about that matter. Its always the same and this makes it very hard to actually have a good discussion at this forum.
I was not twisting your words, I was reacting to them as they were written in your post. It is possible that I misinterpreted what you wrote. After all I cannot hear your voice, or see your face, and therefore only had the words in your post to go off of. I'm sure that if you go back and reread what you have written, you will see how I came to the conclusions I did, and from the responses others have had to your post, I'd say I'm not the only one.
It is our responsibility to ensure that not only our words, but their meanings are accurately represented since we have no body language to go off of. This isn't always easy. I'm a very calm and levelheaded talker but more than once I've had people read what I've written and think that I have lost my cool because I can also be very sharp and honest with my words. To be honest, that's why I didn't go back and edit the typos in my last post to you even though they bugged me very much (I can't believe I let them in my post in the first place LoL), but I didn't want to edit it because I didn't want you to think that I had come off more harshly to begin with, then thought better of it and edit it into a kinder platform. I needed you to know that there was no malice from the beginning.While I always respected people who wanted solo content in an MMO it is very hard to actually still defend or find a reasoning behind their desires as they act very rude and disrespectful towards group players. (not you but others here)
Way too much swearing and personal attacking going on from their side therefore I let them rage and just quote what I said earlier.
That is a sword that cuts both ways. I tend to be the kind of person who defends the group that wants to play a certain way but can't because of game mechanics. This includes group content in other games as well as solo here. I believe that a game should allow for each player type to achieve the same goals in their own way, whether that be grouping, solo, or PVP. What I don't believe in is forcing people to play in a way they don't enjoy which is what we have now in the game. With that said, people who like group content can be just as mean, vicious and ugly as you're claiming solo people are.
The thing to keep in mind is that while there are people who frequent the forums, most people who come here do so only after they have become frustrated. Venting on the forms is, for them, the last resort. So by the time they get here there already angry.
I would also like to point out that calling an entire group names isn't going to change anything for the better, it's only going to make things worse. In your own posts you have called solo players selfish, greedy, rude, and disrespectful. I know personally, I'm a calm guy and even I find it hard not to respond harshly to that kind of language. If you want a more civil discussion, then that should start with you. At least, that's my motto.I don't want solo content to be removed or held back, I want group content to stay so that players are able to decide what they want to do. It would had been totally fine if they had added a solo quest line at the old VR zones like the fighters guild or mages guild were. There is nothing wrong with it, I keep saying since weeks that in my opinion zones should offer content for all and not a single group. That's why I disliked ZOs design choice of two AVs with one for groups and another for Singleplayers as this wont fix anything. People who don't want to enter the group zone will still complain just like they complain now. It would had been much better to make one AV with solo and group content (non raid).
This is an MMO after all and to exclude a specific type of player from one zone is silly. Its bad enough that this happens at dungeons and trials already, it doesn't need to happen at AVs as well.
I'm not sure where this quote at the end of your post came from, but if you'd started with this, I don't think you would've had any issues in this thread.
This is pretty much what this thread is all about. No one in here has asked for group content to go away unless I missed a post, and the OP has said many times that he is not asking for Craglorn or its group content to go away. He's just asking for an alternate route for solo players to level up in. In other words, he, I, and I think most of the people who posted here want every playing style to be able to progress how they want. To be honest the only posts I remember reading in here that say one group shouldn't be able to play the way they want are group players saying solo people shouldn't have the ability to solo in VR. Now, that is not a condemnation of group players, obviously not all the group players are saying this. There been a few people in here who prefer group content who think that solo people should have a way to get there to, I'm just saying that there hasn't been one post where a solo player said there should be no group content, but there have been posts by group players who said there should be no end game solo content.
If we want this game to succeed then all play styles need to be represented and have the ability to progress to the end goals. They may take different paths to get there, but they should all be able to achieve the same goals.
*Edited because I forgot the "/" in /quote LoL.Edited by DragonLane555 on August 24, 2014 4:28PM3 -
DragonLane555✭✭✭@Audigy
Sorry to make another post right after my last one, but I just realized that in that quote from your last post, you had mentioned the fighters Guild, and mages Guild. You do realize that we're not asking for that type of solo content right? When we say solo we mean content that can be done solo, like the level 1 through V10 overworld content. In other words, the type of content or you can group if you like, but you can all solo if you want.3 -
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✭✭✭Let's cut all this stuff to the raw meat: a massive amount of players (for their own reasons) want to be able and solo up to max level (like in every single other MMO).
They were "massive enough" that ZoS made VR 1-10 soloable. Actually, I soloed it before the nerf but still...
How do ZoS see they are massive and why your opinion counts ZERO?
Because they have nice graphs that told them enough people were quitting because of VR 1- 10, not because of some high moral principle.
Now, guess what's going to happen in September - October?
- New MMOs come out.
- 6 month subs run out.
- It's official word that no soloable content is going to get released anytime soon.
Result: another big mass of players shall unsub, because they don't CARE of your high superior opinion, they don't find the game fun and since they pay for it they unsub in your high moral face.
And then we are going to laugh at ZoS and their feeble attempts to give some ugly pets as Big Idea to retain customers.
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Elad13✭✭✭Just shut up and keep paying your $15 a month fee...at some point you'll get what you want....so far none of the content releases gear towards anything fun for me....I've paid enough for group players enjoyment. Then again if it was easier to group...I probably would enjoy it....and if the loot was better then lvl 10 crap.0
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Lenny✭✭✭I'm not saying I disagree with OP, he has some great points, but this is exactly what is meant by the very vocal minority. Calm down, OP, use kinder communication, ZOE hasn't abandoned you and those of your "ilk."Edited by Lenny on August 26, 2014 11:06PM2 -
spinedoc✭✭✭Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG, do you like the idea to pay a monthly subscription to play a solo game? You still paid the game ~60 bucks and will have paid much more than 60 bucks when more "solo content" comes out. This means you'll have paid for more than 2 full games to have one full game with a small addition (equivalent of a DLC) to it.
Do you still not see why this discussion shouldn't even happen in an MMOG? This game is not aimed to solo players, no MMORPG is, especially the paying ones.
I never understood this line of thinking. Well I take that back, when I was younger and didn't have a family and raided a lot and spent a lot of time in my MMO of choice I said the same thing as this guy. I wondered why people would play a MMO but play it solo.
Fast forward to a job, family, hobbies, a desire to see the sun, etc. Sometimes it's fun to get on and do solo type stuff like questing but be able to socialize in world chat. Sometimes I will have enough time and energy to do a group dungeon. But most times I just don't have the time for something quite as long as that, but I still enjoy building up my character and the social aspect of the game even if it's just world chat.
No, this discussion SHOULD be in a MMO game.5 -
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✭✭cgipervert wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG
because this game will lose 50% of the players w/o solo content? You can ask how many of the players are MMO players or TES players.
I would think more like 90+%.
LOL to both of you, I'm a TES player, then again, if I wanted to play a solo game I'd play Skyrim or wait for the next release of a TES game by Bethesda. Mark my words, if you think this is just an other TES solo game with a Multiplayer side to id, you will end up being extremely disapointed. This game was created for persons who wanted an MMO out of TES, not to be TES 6.DragonLane555 wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG, do you like the idea to pay a monthly subscription to play a solo game? You still paid the game ~60 bucks and will have paid much more than 60 bucks when more "solo content" comes out. This means you'll have paid for more than 2 full games to have one full game with a small addition (equivalent of a DLC) to it.
Do you still not see why this discussion shouldn't even happen in an MMOG? This game is not aimed to solo players, no MMORPG is, especially the paying ones.
@magnusnet If I like the game I would totally pay $15 a month for a solo game! The thing about MMOs is they never end, unlike most solo games where you play till the end then its over. So yeah if this game was 100% solo I would still be paying sub.
To be honest if more solo content doesn't come out soon I may cancel. I like to quest alone, and run Dungeons in groups. I hate having to quest/Level as a group!
Well if you like being riped off it's your choice
. You're paying 120+ dollars for something other games sell for 80. GG. And it's only gonna get worse for you m8. Solo content won't come as often as group content. 3 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭cgipervert wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG
because this game will lose 50% of the players w/o solo content? You can ask how many of the players are MMO players or TES players.
I would think more like 90+%.
LOL to both of you, I'm a TES player, then again, if I wanted to play a solo game I'd play Skyrim or wait for the next release of a TES game by Bethesda. Mark my words, if you think this is just an other TES solo game with a Multiplayer side to id, you will end up being extremely disapointed. This game was created for persons who wanted an MMO out of TES, not to be TES 6.DragonLane555 wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG, do you like the idea to pay a monthly subscription to play a solo game? You still paid the game ~60 bucks and will have paid much more than 60 bucks when more "solo content" comes out. This means you'll have paid for more than 2 full games to have one full game with a small addition (equivalent of a DLC) to it.
Do you still not see why this discussion shouldn't even happen in an MMOG? This game is not aimed to solo players, no MMORPG is, especially the paying ones.
@magnusnet If I like the game I would totally pay $15 a month for a solo game! The thing about MMOs is they never end, unlike most solo games where you play till the end then its over. So yeah if this game was 100% solo I would still be paying sub.
To be honest if more solo content doesn't come out soon I may cancel. I like to quest alone, and run Dungeons in groups. I hate having to quest/Level as a group!
Well if you like being riped off it's your choice. You're paying 120+ dollars for something other games sell for 80. GG. And it's only gonna get worse for you m8. Solo content won't come as often as group content.
Actually what the TES players wanted was TES on line or TES with friends. Your opinion on what and how much of TESO should be TES and how much MMO is simply that....an opinion.
Stamping your feet and finger pointing makes no difference. Stating TESO should be 'like this MMO' is just a strawman. TESO is not a clone of another MMO and should not be....or what the point of its existence. Plenty others MMOs about if you don't like that.
(see what I did there) Edited by Rune_Relic on August 27, 2014 10:20AMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited5 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »cgipervert wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG
because this game will lose 50% of the players w/o solo content? You can ask how many of the players are MMO players or TES players.
I would think more like 90+%.
LOL to both of you, I'm a TES player, then again, if I wanted to play a solo game I'd play Skyrim or wait for the next release of a TES game by Bethesda. Mark my words, if you think this is just an other TES solo game with a Multiplayer side to id, you will end up being extremely disapointed. This game was created for persons who wanted an MMO out of TES, not to be TES 6.DragonLane555 wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG, do you like the idea to pay a monthly subscription to play a solo game? You still paid the game ~60 bucks and will have paid much more than 60 bucks when more "solo content" comes out. This means you'll have paid for more than 2 full games to have one full game with a small addition (equivalent of a DLC) to it.
Do you still not see why this discussion shouldn't even happen in an MMOG? This game is not aimed to solo players, no MMORPG is, especially the paying ones.
@magnusnet If I like the game I would totally pay $15 a month for a solo game! The thing about MMOs is they never end, unlike most solo games where you play till the end then its over. So yeah if this game was 100% solo I would still be paying sub.
To be honest if more solo content doesn't come out soon I may cancel. I like to quest alone, and run Dungeons in groups. I hate having to quest/Level as a group!
Well if you like being riped off it's your choice. You're paying 120+ dollars for something other games sell for 80. GG. And it's only gonna get worse for you m8. Solo content won't come as often as group content.
Actually what the TES players wanted was TES on line or TES with friends. Your opinion on what and how much of TESO should be TES and how much MMO is simply that....an opinion.
Stamping your feet and finger pointing makes no difference. Stating TESO should be 'like this MMO' is just a strawman. TESO is not a clone of another MMO and should not be....or what the point of its existence. Plenty others MMOs about if you don't like that. (see what I did there)
You did nothing, what the tes players wanted was an MMO based on TES lore. Nothing else. Nothing about friends or anything, they wanted an MMO.
Solo play is not MMORPG. End of story. PLenty of other solo games about if you don't like that
Omg I did it to! I feel so smart
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Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rune_Relic wrote: »cgipervert wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG
because this game will lose 50% of the players w/o solo content? You can ask how many of the players are MMO players or TES players.
I would think more like 90+%.
LOL to both of you, I'm a TES player, then again, if I wanted to play a solo game I'd play Skyrim or wait for the next release of a TES game by Bethesda. Mark my words, if you think this is just an other TES solo game with a Multiplayer side to id, you will end up being extremely disapointed. This game was created for persons who wanted an MMO out of TES, not to be TES 6.DragonLane555 wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG, do you like the idea to pay a monthly subscription to play a solo game? You still paid the game ~60 bucks and will have paid much more than 60 bucks when more "solo content" comes out. This means you'll have paid for more than 2 full games to have one full game with a small addition (equivalent of a DLC) to it.
Do you still not see why this discussion shouldn't even happen in an MMOG? This game is not aimed to solo players, no MMORPG is, especially the paying ones.
@magnusnet If I like the game I would totally pay $15 a month for a solo game! The thing about MMOs is they never end, unlike most solo games where you play till the end then its over. So yeah if this game was 100% solo I would still be paying sub.
To be honest if more solo content doesn't come out soon I may cancel. I like to quest alone, and run Dungeons in groups. I hate having to quest/Level as a group!
Well if you like being riped off it's your choice. You're paying 120+ dollars for something other games sell for 80. GG. And it's only gonna get worse for you m8. Solo content won't come as often as group content.
Actually what the TES players wanted was TES on line or TES with friends. Your opinion on what and how much of TESO should be TES and how much MMO is simply that....an opinion.
Stamping your feet and finger pointing makes no difference. Stating TESO should be 'like this MMO' is just a strawman. TESO is not a clone of another MMO and should not be....or what the point of its existence. Plenty others MMOs about if you don't like that. (see what I did there)
You did nothing, what the tes players wanted was an MMO based on TES lore. Nothing else. Nothing about friends or anything, they wanted an MMO.
Solo play is not MMORPG. End of story. PLenty of other solo games about if you don't like that
Omg I did it to! I feel so smart
Link to poll ? Exactly... there isn't one.
Opinion = strawman.Edited by Rune_Relic on August 27, 2014 11:39AMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited1 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »cgipervert wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG
because this game will lose 50% of the players w/o solo content? You can ask how many of the players are MMO players or TES players.
I would think more like 90+%.
LOL to both of you, I'm a TES player, then again, if I wanted to play a solo game I'd play Skyrim or wait for the next release of a TES game by Bethesda. Mark my words, if you think this is just an other TES solo game with a Multiplayer side to id, you will end up being extremely disapointed. This game was created for persons who wanted an MMO out of TES, not to be TES 6.DragonLane555 wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG, do you like the idea to pay a monthly subscription to play a solo game? You still paid the game ~60 bucks and will have paid much more than 60 bucks when more "solo content" comes out. This means you'll have paid for more than 2 full games to have one full game with a small addition (equivalent of a DLC) to it.
Do you still not see why this discussion shouldn't even happen in an MMOG? This game is not aimed to solo players, no MMORPG is, especially the paying ones.
@magnusnet If I like the game I would totally pay $15 a month for a solo game! The thing about MMOs is they never end, unlike most solo games where you play till the end then its over. So yeah if this game was 100% solo I would still be paying sub.
To be honest if more solo content doesn't come out soon I may cancel. I like to quest alone, and run Dungeons in groups. I hate having to quest/Level as a group!
Well if you like being riped off it's your choice. You're paying 120+ dollars for something other games sell for 80. GG. And it's only gonna get worse for you m8. Solo content won't come as often as group content.
Actually what the TES players wanted was TES on line or TES with friends. Your opinion on what and how much of TESO should be TES and how much MMO is simply that....an opinion.
Stamping your feet and finger pointing makes no difference. Stating TESO should be 'like this MMO' is just a strawman. TESO is not a clone of another MMO and should not be....or what the point of its existence. Plenty others MMOs about if you don't like that. (see what I did there)
You did nothing, what the tes players wanted was an MMO based on TES lore. Nothing else. Nothing about friends or anything, they wanted an MMO.
Solo play is not MMORPG. End of story. PLenty of other solo games about if you don't like that
Omg I did it to! I feel so smart
Link to poll ?
I could ask the same thing from you. ZOS seems to agree in any case since they aren't releasing solo content until that new zone (where solo players will also find something to cry about i'm sure).
Ask them for polls 1 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »cgipervert wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG
because this game will lose 50% of the players w/o solo content? You can ask how many of the players are MMO players or TES players.
I would think more like 90+%.
LOL to both of you, I'm a TES player, then again, if I wanted to play a solo game I'd play Skyrim or wait for the next release of a TES game by Bethesda. Mark my words, if you think this is just an other TES solo game with a Multiplayer side to id, you will end up being extremely disapointed. This game was created for persons who wanted an MMO out of TES, not to be TES 6.DragonLane555 wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG, do you like the idea to pay a monthly subscription to play a solo game? You still paid the game ~60 bucks and will have paid much more than 60 bucks when more "solo content" comes out. This means you'll have paid for more than 2 full games to have one full game with a small addition (equivalent of a DLC) to it.
Do you still not see why this discussion shouldn't even happen in an MMOG? This game is not aimed to solo players, no MMORPG is, especially the paying ones.
@magnusnet If I like the game I would totally pay $15 a month for a solo game! The thing about MMOs is they never end, unlike most solo games where you play till the end then its over. So yeah if this game was 100% solo I would still be paying sub.
To be honest if more solo content doesn't come out soon I may cancel. I like to quest alone, and run Dungeons in groups. I hate having to quest/Level as a group!
Well if you like being riped off it's your choice. You're paying 120+ dollars for something other games sell for 80. GG. And it's only gonna get worse for you m8. Solo content won't come as often as group content.
Actually what the TES players wanted was TES on line or TES with friends. Your opinion on what and how much of TESO should be TES and how much MMO is simply that....an opinion.
Stamping your feet and finger pointing makes no difference. Stating TESO should be 'like this MMO' is just a strawman. TESO is not a clone of another MMO and should not be....or what the point of its existence. Plenty others MMOs about if you don't like that. (see what I did there)
You did nothing, what the tes players wanted was an MMO based on TES lore. Nothing else. Nothing about friends or anything, they wanted an MMO.
Solo play is not MMORPG. End of story. PLenty of other solo games about if you don't like that
Omg I did it to! I feel so smart
Link to poll ?
I could ask the same thing from you. ZOS seems to agree in any case since they aren't releasing solo content until that new zone (where solo players will also find something to cry about i'm sure).
Ask them for polls
Link to ZOS stating they agree with you ?
And yes you could ask the same as me to provide a poll. How does that detract from your strawman argument ?Anything that can be exploited will be exploited1 -
Unmai✭✭✭I think a massive issue is the phasing. If that was better done or non existent then you could solo anywhere and if two players soloing arrived at a particular point together (Boss for example) they kill it and move on in their own directions. No partying up required, just open world grouping like it does now. The issue is people have to be phased in with you and that just isn't working."Wonderful! Time for a celebration... Cheese for everyone! Wait, scratch that. Cheese for no one. That can be just as much of a celebration, if you don't like cheese. True?" - Sheogorath0 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think a massive issue is the phasing. If that was better done or non existent then you could solo anywhere and if two players soloing arrived at a particular point together (Boss for example) they kill it and move on in their own directions. No partying up required, just open world grouping like it does now. The issue is people have to be phased in with you and that just isn't working.
Whole idea of phasing though was to spread the load on the servers.
Agree It is a massive issue with grouping though
You can team up with anyone that is passing by [except friends]
The grouping was supposed to let you bypass the phasing so you could be with those friends that aren't in your phase.
I am a soloist....but I have no problem teaming up with people on the fly to take down dolmen and world bosses when I struggle (ungrouped..we all help each other anyway).
The problem for me is we have no real knowledge of the degree of difficulty vs content. I might face a giant who is level 40 and I am level 40. However his stats will be far far superior than a level 40 player. many of the world bosses are stated as being of a level that simply has no equivalent to character level.
I would be happy if there is level 100 bosses walking around as long as I can see they are level 100 (and they directly compare to level 100 player). That way I can avoid or get 3x level 20 and 1x level 40 friend to have a drawn out battle that is 50 50 on who will win. This is the way older RPG always use to work. You looked at there level vs your own level and instantly new how badass they were. The 'this boss is in a level 40 zone so we call him level 40' ...is a deception that screws the whole group content ideal.
If I am level 10 and see loads of level 40 players around....I sneak or get my arse kicked. This is the way it should be. I wanted to instantly see exactly how lethal something is just by looking at its level.[In regard to beasts/monsters]
Mannimarco....level 40 quest. No player at level 40 will have anything like the stats and resources that mannimarco has. What level of character is he actually equivalent to ? Level 80 ? Level 100 ? Who knows.
This grading system using level, lets me know if I have taken down a level 60 monster myself at level 40...I might be able to take down a different level 60 boss. There is no such mechanism that allows this kind of instant direct comparison. Nor give you anything to brag about in the inn. At the moment I attack the boss....and after getting killed numerous times might have some vague idea of what level he is at and how many people I might need.
Basically I can not see how big a group I need...If I cant see what I am really facing....until its too late.Edited by Rune_Relic on August 27, 2014 12:33PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
TehMagnus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »cgipervert wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG
because this game will lose 50% of the players w/o solo content? You can ask how many of the players are MMO players or TES players.
I would think more like 90+%.
LOL to both of you, I'm a TES player, then again, if I wanted to play a solo game I'd play Skyrim or wait for the next release of a TES game by Bethesda. Mark my words, if you think this is just an other TES solo game with a Multiplayer side to id, you will end up being extremely disapointed. This game was created for persons who wanted an MMO out of TES, not to be TES 6.DragonLane555 wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG, do you like the idea to pay a monthly subscription to play a solo game? You still paid the game ~60 bucks and will have paid much more than 60 bucks when more "solo content" comes out. This means you'll have paid for more than 2 full games to have one full game with a small addition (equivalent of a DLC) to it.
Do you still not see why this discussion shouldn't even happen in an MMOG? This game is not aimed to solo players, no MMORPG is, especially the paying ones.
@magnusnet If I like the game I would totally pay $15 a month for a solo game! The thing about MMOs is they never end, unlike most solo games where you play till the end then its over. So yeah if this game was 100% solo I would still be paying sub.
To be honest if more solo content doesn't come out soon I may cancel. I like to quest alone, and run Dungeons in groups. I hate having to quest/Level as a group!
Well if you like being riped off it's your choice. You're paying 120+ dollars for something other games sell for 80. GG. And it's only gonna get worse for you m8. Solo content won't come as often as group content.
Actually what the TES players wanted was TES on line or TES with friends. Your opinion on what and how much of TESO should be TES and how much MMO is simply that....an opinion.
Stamping your feet and finger pointing makes no difference. Stating TESO should be 'like this MMO' is just a strawman. TESO is not a clone of another MMO and should not be....or what the point of its existence. Plenty others MMOs about if you don't like that. (see what I did there)
You did nothing, what the tes players wanted was an MMO based on TES lore. Nothing else. Nothing about friends or anything, they wanted an MMO.
Solo play is not MMORPG. End of story. PLenty of other solo games about if you don't like that
Omg I did it to! I feel so smart
Link to poll ?
I could ask the same thing from you. ZOS seems to agree in any case since they aren't releasing solo content until that new zone (where solo players will also find something to cry about i'm sure).
Ask them for polls
Link to ZOS stating they agree with you ?
And yes you could ask the same as me to provide a poll. How does that detract from your strawman argument ?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/127711/pts-patch-notes-v1-4-0/p1 <== See anything about solo content?
Didn't think so. Cleary, ZOS feels there is enough solo play content and that new zones are only for people who play grouped else they would make upper Craglorn soloable and add things to make lower Craglorn soloable. Ain't the case.
As for a poll, you're the one implying that the community that wants to play this MMO actually wants a solo game where you can just choose to play with friends. You're the one who has to prove this. I'm sticking to the standards of what MMORPGS are and of what anyone expecting to play an MMORPG wants.
Edited by TehMagnus on August 27, 2014 12:22PM1 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »cgipervert wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG
because this game will lose 50% of the players w/o solo content? You can ask how many of the players are MMO players or TES players.
I would think more like 90+%.
LOL to both of you, I'm a TES player, then again, if I wanted to play a solo game I'd play Skyrim or wait for the next release of a TES game by Bethesda. Mark my words, if you think this is just an other TES solo game with a Multiplayer side to id, you will end up being extremely disapointed. This game was created for persons who wanted an MMO out of TES, not to be TES 6.DragonLane555 wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG, do you like the idea to pay a monthly subscription to play a solo game? You still paid the game ~60 bucks and will have paid much more than 60 bucks when more "solo content" comes out. This means you'll have paid for more than 2 full games to have one full game with a small addition (equivalent of a DLC) to it.
Do you still not see why this discussion shouldn't even happen in an MMOG? This game is not aimed to solo players, no MMORPG is, especially the paying ones.
@magnusnet If I like the game I would totally pay $15 a month for a solo game! The thing about MMOs is they never end, unlike most solo games where you play till the end then its over. So yeah if this game was 100% solo I would still be paying sub.
To be honest if more solo content doesn't come out soon I may cancel. I like to quest alone, and run Dungeons in groups. I hate having to quest/Level as a group!
Well if you like being riped off it's your choice. You're paying 120+ dollars for something other games sell for 80. GG. And it's only gonna get worse for you m8. Solo content won't come as often as group content.
Actually what the TES players wanted was TES on line or TES with friends. Your opinion on what and how much of TESO should be TES and how much MMO is simply that....an opinion.
Stamping your feet and finger pointing makes no difference. Stating TESO should be 'like this MMO' is just a strawman. TESO is not a clone of another MMO and should not be....or what the point of its existence. Plenty others MMOs about if you don't like that. (see what I did there)
You did nothing, what the tes players wanted was an MMO based on TES lore. Nothing else. Nothing about friends or anything, they wanted an MMO.
Solo play is not MMORPG. End of story. PLenty of other solo games about if you don't like that
Omg I did it to! I feel so smart
Link to poll ?
I could ask the same thing from you. ZOS seems to agree in any case since they aren't releasing solo content until that new zone (where solo players will also find something to cry about i'm sure).
Ask them for polls
Link to ZOS stating they agree with you ?
And yes you could ask the same as me to provide a poll. How does that detract from your strawman argument ?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/127711/pts-patch-notes-v1-4-0/p1 <== See anything about solo content?
Didn't think so. Cleary, ZOS feels there is enough solo play content and that new zones are only for people who play grouped else they would make upper Craglorn soloable and add things to make lower Craglorn soloable. Ain't the case.
As for a poll, you're the one implying that the community that wants to play this MMO actually wants a solo game where you can just choose to play with friends. You're the one who has to prove this. I'm sticking to the standards of what MMORPGS are and of what anyone expecting to play an MMORPG wants.
There you go again with strawman and opinion. Wants and expectations.....instead of facts.
Actually I am not a solo game only player. It only seems to be MMO players that think this is the case.
I have argued for 1-12 man instances (that's solo + group).
World play is world play anyway....you team up with people on the fly or you don't ...choice is yours (so this isn't solo content).
Now you may argue about worldplay being soloable or groupable, but don't go making this into a solo content issue. Wordlplay is not solo content anymore than it is group content.
I am happy for group bosses in world play...(if that's what you mean)...provided I can see an instant indicator of there equivalent character level. Just so I can avoid them and leave them to you guys or get some mates Anything that can be exploited will be exploited2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Any timeline for thief guild and dark brotherhood?
It would give more single player content and might last some time.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.1 -
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✭✭✭Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »cgipervert wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG
because this game will lose 50% of the players w/o solo content? You can ask how many of the players are MMO players or TES players.
I would think more like 90+%.
LOL to both of you, I'm a TES player, then again, if I wanted to play a solo game I'd play Skyrim or wait for the next release of a TES game by Bethesda. Mark my words, if you think this is just an other TES solo game with a Multiplayer side to id, you will end up being extremely disapointed. This game was created for persons who wanted an MMO out of TES, not to be TES 6.DragonLane555 wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG, do you like the idea to pay a monthly subscription to play a solo game? You still paid the game ~60 bucks and will have paid much more than 60 bucks when more "solo content" comes out. This means you'll have paid for more than 2 full games to have one full game with a small addition (equivalent of a DLC) to it.
Do you still not see why this discussion shouldn't even happen in an MMOG? This game is not aimed to solo players, no MMORPG is, especially the paying ones.
@magnusnet If I like the game I would totally pay $15 a month for a solo game! The thing about MMOs is they never end, unlike most solo games where you play till the end then its over. So yeah if this game was 100% solo I would still be paying sub.
To be honest if more solo content doesn't come out soon I may cancel. I like to quest alone, and run Dungeons in groups. I hate having to quest/Level as a group!
Well if you like being riped off it's your choice. You're paying 120+ dollars for something other games sell for 80. GG. And it's only gonna get worse for you m8. Solo content won't come as often as group content.
Actually what the TES players wanted was TES on line or TES with friends. Your opinion on what and how much of TESO should be TES and how much MMO is simply that....an opinion.
Stamping your feet and finger pointing makes no difference. Stating TESO should be 'like this MMO' is just a strawman. TESO is not a clone of another MMO and should not be....or what the point of its existence. Plenty others MMOs about if you don't like that. (see what I did there)
You did nothing, what the tes players wanted was an MMO based on TES lore. Nothing else. Nothing about friends or anything, they wanted an MMO.
Solo play is not MMORPG. End of story. PLenty of other solo games about if you don't like that
Omg I did it to! I feel so smart
Link to poll ?
I could ask the same thing from you. ZOS seems to agree in any case since they aren't releasing solo content until that new zone (where solo players will also find something to cry about i'm sure).
Ask them for polls
Link to ZOS stating they agree with you ?
And yes you could ask the same as me to provide a poll. How does that detract from your strawman argument ?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/127711/pts-patch-notes-v1-4-0/p1 <== See anything about solo content?
Didn't think so. Cleary, ZOS feels there is enough solo play content and that new zones are only for people who play grouped
There is new solo content 1.4, it just didn't make the Patch Notes, either due to an oversight or the fact the content is not close to being bug free right now. There are nine new quests which every player can complete without being required to group with other players. Three of the quests are repeatable so those players looking for more XP/VP have an option besides being told to go to Craglorn where it is almost impossible to find three other people to quest with there, let alone finding three people on a regular basis.
Forced group questing in Craglorn may be the biggest bust yet of all the new content released since launch day. Unfortunately ZOS doesn't learn from their own mistakes and they are shoving more forced group questing down our throats with update 1.4. It makes me wonder why ZOS is so out of touch with their player base or why they hate their player base as much as they do.Edited by LonePirate on August 27, 2014 1:21PM0 -
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✭✭LonePirate wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »cgipervert wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG
because this game will lose 50% of the players w/o solo content? You can ask how many of the players are MMO players or TES players.
I would think more like 90+%.
LOL to both of you, I'm a TES player, then again, if I wanted to play a solo game I'd play Skyrim or wait for the next release of a TES game by Bethesda. Mark my words, if you think this is just an other TES solo game with a Multiplayer side to id, you will end up being extremely disapointed. This game was created for persons who wanted an MMO out of TES, not to be TES 6.DragonLane555 wrote: »Pangnirtung wrote: »Please DO NOT take this as being anything against group content because it isn't. More power to those that enjoy doing it.
This post is only asking about when we can expect new soloable content. Nothing more. Nothing less.
@magnusnet, thank you for your helpful contribution to this discussion.
I just fail to understand why people ask for solo content in an MMORPG, do you like the idea to pay a monthly subscription to play a solo game? You still paid the game ~60 bucks and will have paid much more than 60 bucks when more "solo content" comes out. This means you'll have paid for more than 2 full games to have one full game with a small addition (equivalent of a DLC) to it.
Do you still not see why this discussion shouldn't even happen in an MMOG? This game is not aimed to solo players, no MMORPG is, especially the paying ones.
@magnusnet If I like the game I would totally pay $15 a month for a solo game! The thing about MMOs is they never end, unlike most solo games where you play till the end then its over. So yeah if this game was 100% solo I would still be paying sub.
To be honest if more solo content doesn't come out soon I may cancel. I like to quest alone, and run Dungeons in groups. I hate having to quest/Level as a group!
Well if you like being riped off it's your choice. You're paying 120+ dollars for something other games sell for 80. GG. And it's only gonna get worse for you m8. Solo content won't come as often as group content.
Actually what the TES players wanted was TES on line or TES with friends. Your opinion on what and how much of TESO should be TES and how much MMO is simply that....an opinion.
Stamping your feet and finger pointing makes no difference. Stating TESO should be 'like this MMO' is just a strawman. TESO is not a clone of another MMO and should not be....or what the point of its existence. Plenty others MMOs about if you don't like that. (see what I did there)
You did nothing, what the tes players wanted was an MMO based on TES lore. Nothing else. Nothing about friends or anything, they wanted an MMO.
Solo play is not MMORPG. End of story. PLenty of other solo games about if you don't like that
Omg I did it to! I feel so smart
Link to poll ?
I could ask the same thing from you. ZOS seems to agree in any case since they aren't releasing solo content until that new zone (where solo players will also find something to cry about i'm sure).
Ask them for polls
Link to ZOS stating they agree with you ?
And yes you could ask the same as me to provide a poll. How does that detract from your strawman argument ?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/127711/pts-patch-notes-v1-4-0/p1 <== See anything about solo content?
Didn't think so. Cleary, ZOS feels there is enough solo play content and that new zones are only for people who play grouped
There is new solo content 1.4, it just didn't make the Patch Notes, either due to an oversight or the fact the content is not close to being bug free right now. There are nine new quests which every player can complete without being required to group with other players. Three of the quests are repeatable so those players looking for more XP/VP have an option besides being told to go to Craglorn where it is almost impossible to find three other people to quest with there, let alone finding three people on a regular basis.
Forced group questing in Craglorn may be the biggest bust yet of all the new content released since launch day. Unfortunately ZOS doesn't learn from their own mistakes and they are shoving more forced group questing down our throats with update 1.4. It makes me wonder why ZOS is so out of touch with their player base or why they hate their player base as much as they do.
They learn't from SWTOR's mistakes which went F2P because end-game was a flop and people just stopped playing since they had nothing left to do. SWTOR tried to please the solo-players, as a result the game went F2P (which is one of the worst things that can happen to a subscription game since it means the game's original setup failed and they are just trying to milk the cow a bit longer by making a pay 2 win game).
ZOS is clearly trying to avoid a SWTOR-like fiasco and introducing end-game content in a game that was 100% solo content at release date. Loosing a couple of solo-players who would eventually have unsubbed anyways is not a great loss as long as they keep motivated end-game players on board. ZOS get's it.
As for "being out of touch with their player base": Unhappy people are always the noisier people, the level of rant you see about solo content is insignificant compared of the amount of rant you'd have if there was no challenging end-game content being released. Majority probably doesn't want/care for solo-game. If it was the case, ZOS would be acting on it 8).Edited by TehMagnus on August 27, 2014 1:41PM2 -
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