PTS Patch notes: Done with Templars?

david.haypreub18_ESO

They could either reduce the cost of Templar spells OR give them some form of mana replenishment. But having both very expensive class skills (seriously, why is Nova 150% the cost of the DK's Standard?) and no way of restoring mana like the other classes have is overkill.

timidobserver

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

They could either reduce the cost of Templar spells OR give them some form of mana replenishment. But having both very expensive class skills (seriously, why is Nova 150% the cost of the DK's Standard?) and no way of restoring mana like the other classes have is overkill.

You almost can't do trials without negates and veils. Yet, Nova is the most expensive ultimate in the game, WW aside.

In other words, the most expensive ultimate in the game has much less utility/value than other less expensive ultimates.

PlagueMonk

Pmarsico9 wrote: »

Really?
Templars remain the only class in this game that has one slot reserved for it and no more while the other 3 can contribute to truly competitive Trials runs as DPS.

Considering the PVE End game is going to continue to be DPS zerg fests in these trials, it should not be swept under the rug that Templar DPS still needs something.

We cannot top 1,000 DPS single target.

We cannot match the AoE pumped out by other classes.

We are forced to re-roll if we want to join a guild that is doing competitive trials runs. Who else has that?

Something, anything: Buff Dark Flare Damage. Buff Vampire's Bane's DoT, buff Blazing Spear damage...............because who else has to deal with this?

Did you REALLY just include NB's in that group or is there a secret 5th class I am unaware of? Because I hate to break it to you but NBs are equally unwanted in high end PvE (and I would even say groups could use at least 1 Templar in a group). It's all about the AoE spam and NB's really only have single target abilities which does not help move the group through the trials quickly, we just slow them (them being DKs and Sorc) down.

moxiesauce

From what I've seen templars are no joke in PvP, I've personally seen templars 1v6 (me being one of the 6 as a DK) groups of people with a 2 hander no less. It was so strong I actually stopped playing my DK and started an alt templar. Just hit 40 and the game has been rather trivial, critical charge/spears/batswarm and I ruin anything and everything I face, just picked up sun shield and now I'm even tanky. Running 5 piece light 2 medium with nightmothers/torugs for a hybrid build. Haven't touched PvP yet, most dungeons I run I'm pulling ~500 dps sustained single target, which is considerable for a lvl 40 melee. I've even seen my DPS peak at 1k+. But, now I just made a v14 templar on the PTS with full trial gear with the same 5light/2 medium and my DPS was hardly better than my live temp, to the point it was concerning.

timidobserver

moxiesauce wrote: »

Haven't touched PvP yet, most dungeons I run I'm pulling ~500 dps sustained single target, which is considerable for a lvl 40 melee. I've even seen my DPS peak at 1k+. But, now I just made a v14 templar on the PTS with full trial gear with the same 5light/2 medium and my DPS was hardly better than my live temp, to the point it was concerning.

Level to V12 and get into a trials group before spouting dps numbers. The dps you can pull at level 40 is utterly meaningless.

moxiesauce

timidobserver wrote: »

moxiesauce wrote: »

Haven't touched PvP yet, most dungeons I run I'm pulling ~500 dps sustained single target, which is considerable for a lvl 40 melee. I've even seen my DPS peak at 1k+. But, now I just made a v14 templar on the PTS with full trial gear with the same 5light/2 medium and my DPS was hardly better than my live temp, to the point it was concerning.

Level to V12 and get into a trials group before spouting dps numbers. The dps you can pull at level 40 is utterly meaningless.

I understand that, my DK is V12 and completely geared from trials, it's a dress fight all around. I'm just stating that numbers from lvl 40 compared to v14 are insignificant. It's like the game starts to break once you reach vet levels. Clearly you missed the point of my post. Temp are op in PvP and early PvE, but terrible like anything not in a dress for vet levels.

Pmarsico9

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Pmarsico9 wrote: »

Really?
Templars remain the only class in this game that has one slot reserved for it and no more while the other 3 can contribute to truly competitive Trials runs as DPS.

Considering the PVE End game is going to continue to be DPS zerg fests in these trials, it should not be swept under the rug that Templar DPS still needs something.

We cannot top 1,000 DPS single target.

We cannot match the AoE pumped out by other classes.

We are forced to re-roll if we want to join a guild that is doing competitive trials runs. Who else has that?

Something, anything: Buff Dark Flare Damage. Buff Vampire's Bane's DoT, buff Blazing Spear damage...............because who else has to deal with this?

Did you REALLY just include NB's in that group or is there a secret 5th class I am unaware of? Because I hate to break it to you but NBs are equally unwanted in high end PvE (and I would even say groups could use at least 1 Templar in a group). It's all about the AoE spam and NB's really only have single target abilities which does not help move the group through the trials quickly, we just slow them (them being DKs and Sorc) down.

Yeah I did. Because 90% of AoE is Destro Staff anyway. NB single target with Stick and bathrobe is some of the highest in ESO. And that's the issue here.

AOE is so irrelevant due to how powerful Destro Staff is for that purpose, that it ultimately isn't something that should be considered a massive factor.

What should be is single target, and that's where class skills need to come into play, and NB's are absolutely fine in that regard.