Cyrodiil limit abuse!

Nox_Aeterna · August 2014

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Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Cyrodiil is just another game zone , there is already a safe guard in place for AFK players and that is enough , just because it is not acceptable to you , doesnt make it to everyone.

Like i said , i believe they have all the right to do so , they waited to get in like everyone else.

With that said , i agree , i dont see this happening either , because there is already a system in place to quick afk players.

there are safe places so you can buy siege equipment and change horses and get things from the bank before going out to pvp. It's not there to idle or chat. If the campaign is locked and people are waiting for an hour to get through the queue to pvp, you should not be dawdling around in the safe area. Go out into the zone and do things, or leave the zone. If you want to do pve objectives or rp, for that matter, just do it somewhere other than thornblade, which is having these problems currently.

It's called making the gaming experience pleasant for everyone instead of always placing your every little desire first. I realize this is hard to grasp for some people, but just try.

It is each player call to me.

I personally think most players like this already indeed join empty cyros just because they can bypass the wait and still do what they want, BUT if they are willing to wait like everybody else , then they have the same right everybody else does in my opinion.

and that has been your philosophy consistently, which I strongly disagree with. This is a multiplayer game, and if we all think only about ourselves, so does everyone else, and we all stop having fun at some point.

That is the thinking that griefers use to justify how they play. Being a net benefit to the game should be encouraged.

Makes sense since it is my opinion , probably would be weird if it kept changing all the time :P.

I dont really believe this has to do with griefers at all either , cyrodiil is a zone of the game , everyone has the right to use it.

There are queues now on one of them , so people need to wait to enter it , which is annoying and all , but doesnt mean to me that some have more right to enter than others. If people are willing to wait for their turn , then when it comes , they can enjoy the zone.

If players are doing this to grief others , then that is another matter , if they for some reason want that cyro above all others to RP/PvE or whatever really , then it is their right to use that one and not the others.

People could ask these players to not do this , because it makes the wait longer to others , that is perfectly fine , making rules to toss those players out against their will is not.

Ofc , all that in my opinion.

pvp'rs have more rights to the pvp zone because they are using it as intended.

It is there for that purpose, and you are hurting the experience of other players if you choose to pve or rp in a locked campaign. It's intentionally causing others grief. Which everyone is so quick to complain about when it happens to them.

What goes around comes around.

Anyone RPing in cyrodiil can RP while PVPing, so RP while you murder people and you are justified in going to a locked campaign.

Haha it really does , but the same could be said about our discussion about PvP players killing PvE players that are just questing and didnt want to fight to start with :P.

Im guessing some players even with the current issue on this cyro would still dont agree that there should be a PvE cyro.

Too many views of too many "issues". Which is what makes the forums so interesting to begin with.

Sometimes something perfectly fine to you causes others issues , it is hard to walk without stepping on others toes.

except the people being pvp'd are once again in a pvp zone.

And since there are dead campaigns, no this is not a reason we need pve cyrodiil. We need more 30 day campaigns and for people to work to not be ***.

I agree they could add more campaings , i actually prefer that also.

But until zen comes foward and says cyro is not for RP or PvE (which would be weird) , i see it like just another zone , every player has the right to enter and play in their own way in there as long as they follow the rules. In this case , they are waiting in line like everyone else.

Really now that some brought this up i just find this funny , tons were against the creation of the PvE cyro, now RP and PvE players also fill it up and PvP players have to wait to enter , they start to say there is not enough space and they must toss out said players ... "What goes around comes around." indeed.

nicholaspingasb16_ESO · August 2014

Yeah I think more than 10 minutes of AFK should get you booted; that is an ample amount of time to get a snack, take a dump, and pet your cat for a couple of minutes.

If by the end of that time you're still AFK, chances are you won't be coming back for a while. Also, if you're gone for more than that amount of time, you're not contributing to your alliance and have no right to be in a competitive PvP area.

However, I would like to note that the way you want to do it is stupid. Priority by rank? Really? long wait times are just the things that new players LOVE.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

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Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Cyrodiil is just another game zone , there is already a safe guard in place for AFK players and that is enough , just because it is not acceptable to you , doesnt make it to everyone.

Like i said , i believe they have all the right to do so , they waited to get in like everyone else.

With that said , i agree , i dont see this happening either , because there is already a system in place to quick afk players.

there are safe places so you can buy siege equipment and change horses and get things from the bank before going out to pvp. It's not there to idle or chat. If the campaign is locked and people are waiting for an hour to get through the queue to pvp, you should not be dawdling around in the safe area. Go out into the zone and do things, or leave the zone. If you want to do pve objectives or rp, for that matter, just do it somewhere other than thornblade, which is having these problems currently.

It's called making the gaming experience pleasant for everyone instead of always placing your every little desire first. I realize this is hard to grasp for some people, but just try.

It is each player call to me.

I personally think most players like this already indeed join empty cyros just because they can bypass the wait and still do what they want, BUT if they are willing to wait like everybody else , then they have the same right everybody else does in my opinion.

and that has been your philosophy consistently, which I strongly disagree with. This is a multiplayer game, and if we all think only about ourselves, so does everyone else, and we all stop having fun at some point.

That is the thinking that griefers use to justify how they play. Being a net benefit to the game should be encouraged.

Makes sense since it is my opinion , probably would be weird if it kept changing all the time :P.

I dont really believe this has to do with griefers at all either , cyrodiil is a zone of the game , everyone has the right to use it.

There are queues now on one of them , so people need to wait to enter it , which is annoying and all , but doesnt mean to me that some have more right to enter than others. If people are willing to wait for their turn , then when it comes , they can enjoy the zone.

If players are doing this to grief others , then that is another matter , if they for some reason want that cyro above all others to RP/PvE or whatever really , then it is their right to use that one and not the others.

People could ask these players to not do this , because it makes the wait longer to others , that is perfectly fine , making rules to toss those players out against their will is not.

Ofc , all that in my opinion.

pvp'rs have more rights to the pvp zone because they are using it as intended.

It is there for that purpose, and you are hurting the experience of other players if you choose to pve or rp in a locked campaign. It's intentionally causing others grief. Which everyone is so quick to complain about when it happens to them.

What goes around comes around.

Anyone RPing in cyrodiil can RP while PVPing, so RP while you murder people and you are justified in going to a locked campaign.

Haha it really does , but the same could be said about our discussion about PvP players killing PvE players that are just questing and didnt want to fight to start with :P.

Im guessing some players even with the current issue on this cyro would still dont agree that there should be a PvE cyro.

Too many views of too many "issues". Which is what makes the forums so interesting to begin with.

Sometimes something perfectly fine to you causes others issues , it is hard to walk without stepping on others toes.

except the people being pvp'd are once again in a pvp zone.

And since there are dead campaigns, no this is not a reason we need pve cyrodiil. We need more 30 day campaigns and for people to work to not be ***.

I agree they could add more campaings , i actually prefer that also.

But until zen comes foward and says cyro is not for RP or PvE (which would be weird) , i see it like just another zone , every player has the right to enter and play in their own way in there as long as they follow the rules. In this case , they are waiting in line like everyone else.

Really now that some brought this up i just find this funny , tons were against the creation of the PvE cyro, now RP and PvE players also fill it up and PvP players have to wait to enter , they start to say there is not enough space and they must toss out said players ... "What goes around comes around." indeed.

Why does ZOS need to come forward and say that? Do they have to walk people through everything? The entire goal and objective of the zone is pvp. Everything else exists to facilitate that. It is the only zone like that.

By virtue of waiting in the queue or being in the zone in a locked campaign and not pvping, you are blocking people from doing just that.

Rune_Relic · August 2014

Still.... all those RP'ers might be stopping the conkers rolling around with all them tree hugging cross dressers ?

Could eb doing you a favour blocking the server

Anyway, lol, dont blame the players, blame the system.

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

Since you can't have two characters from different factions in the same campaign, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this isn't a coordinated assault.

Arsenic_Touch · August 2014

What they need to do is put in the same afk debuff that they have in world of warcraft. It only comes up when you report people just lounging around for being afk or not participating. It can be cleared by going and attacking another player or enemy npc. Then once they're kicked they can't get back in for 20 minutes to discourage afking in a queued zone.

Sure you can go back to afk after clearing the debuff but it will catch the majority of the problems.

prototypefb · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Since you can't have two characters from different factions in the same campaign, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this isn't a coordinated assault.

though, you can have loads of accounts of friends who have quit the game.
Powerfull enough PC/PCs potentially be small army of idle warriors on enemy campaign.

nerevarine1138 · August 2014

prototypefb wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Since you can't have two characters from different factions in the same campaign, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this isn't a coordinated assault.

though, you can have loads of accounts of friends who have quit the game.
Powerfull enough PC/PCs potentially be small army of idle warriors on enemy campaign.

I'm pretty sure that ESO isn't populated by supervillains. Because those are the only people who would think to do that.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Since you can't have two characters from different factions in the same campaign, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this isn't a coordinated assault.

though, you can have loads of accounts of friends who have quit the game.
Powerfull enough PC/PCs potentially be small army of idle warriors on enemy campaign.

I'm pretty sure that ESO isn't populated by supervillains. Because those are the only people who would think to do that.

that's what they WANT you to think!

prototypefb · August 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Since you can't have two characters from different factions in the same campaign, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this isn't a coordinated assault.

though, you can have loads of accounts of friends who have quit the game.
Powerfull enough PC/PCs potentially be small army of idle warriors on enemy campaign.

I'm pretty sure that ESO isn't populated by supervillains. Because those are the only people who would think to do that.

DON'T underestimate human greed and 'win at any cost' in every little warrior there is

Mendoze · August 2014

I've seen guild and bomb groups to use safe areas to wait that everybody gets to cyrodiil. So they just wait there until everybody gets in the cyrodiil before they go out. I don't see anything wrong in that.

Oshova · August 2014

This is hilarious... Cyrodiil isn't a truly 100% competitive zone. It has SO MUCH PvE stuff to do there. If it was a competitive only zone, then there would be none of that. It would be more likely to be smaller battles.

Also, there is already a system in place to kick people who are AFK for 15 minutes. Of course, everyone and their Mother has a programmable keyboard, or some other way to run Macros, so that is a moot point. There really is no 100% sure fire way to get rid of people dedicated to being AFK without being kicked.

Cyrodiil is a zone like any other, just with the addition of PvP. It is not a PvP only zone. It is open to everyone, so everyone has the right to be there.

Of course, there are plenty of empty campaigns out there for PvE and RP... But that's not as fun as running dungeons, and coming up behind players of an enemy alliance to jump on. So many good stories have come out of doing PvE in Cyrodiil, it would be a real shame to lose that.

So please, feel free to complain all you want that Cyrodiil should be PvP only, but your complaints will fall on deaf ears at Zenimax, as they know the true nature of Cyrodiil.

Maybe they will release truly PvP only zones, and then there will be a zone for that... But right now, there are other things to work on.

Raash · August 2014

if people just want to chill out having a bud in cyrodiil there is no way to stop them. cyrodil is a nice place so I can understand RP people would want to be in there to enjoy the scenery. its not like this is a fps game

MercutioElessar · August 2014

prototypefb wrote: »

Today in Cyrodiil i noticed group of about 20 people standing around doing nothing in 'safe' zone near wayshrines while campaign was full and 20+ people on queve.

Wich happens all the time out of all kinds of reasons.

prototypefb wrote: »

This begs the question: were those characters alts/friends/guildmates of other alliance people trying to artifically 'reduce' opponent numbers or just random slackers?

The sole fact that you are thinking this way tells me I don't have to read the whole post. If you're thinking this is a conspiracy you really got issues to work out, mate.

Vizier · August 2014

No- I understand the frustration felt at seeing people twiddling about when their is a war on but we can't turn casual players, role players and those that have to take a few minutes to feed their screaming kids

into second class ESO citizens. What if I've been PvPing for hours and need to relax a bit, discuss something with guildies, make potions or glyphs, clean up inventory? All these things take time and folks shouldn't have to leave cyrodiil to get them done.

If wait times are extensive and the PvP populations warrant it, I imagine ZOS will add campaigns. At least that is my hope. It would make sense for them to do so.

ArRashid · August 2014

I would agree on timer, but alliance point gain is a bit rash.
I was in cyrondil for 5 hours without seeing a single enemy player, when I was trying to collect some skyshards.

If they wanted cyrondil to be purely PvP zone, they wouldn't add 10+ quests to every damn settlement in it. Most of which sends you to a place 5+ minutes away on a speed horse.

I just wish they made a campaign with PvP disabled to just finish those quests there and find all skyshards.

demonlkojipub19_ESO · August 2014

Vizier wrote: »

No- I understand the frustration felt at seeing people twiddling about when their is a war on but we can't turn casual players, role players and those that have to take a few minutes to feed their screaming kids into second class ESO citizens. What if I've been PvPing for hours and need to relax a bit, discuss something with guildies, make potions or glyphs, clean up inventory? All these things take time and folks shouldn't have to leave cyrodiil to get them done.

If wait times are extensive and the PvP populations warrant it, I imagine ZOS will add campaigns. At least that is my hope. It would make sense for them to do so.

You can converse with your guild in the danger zone. Crafting and such is one thing, but standing around far away from any crafting station is another. They should go to a keep or outside of cyrodil so other people who want to fight the enemy can come in.

Raash · August 2014

How do you set up a macro that prevent getting kicked out btw? Would be good to use if I would want to go and buy a beer or some snacks and dont want to queue to get in again?

DuckfisH · August 2014

I like to go to Cyrodiil coz it's so pretty, find a nice spot, read some lorebooks, eat some sweetrolls. Sometimes I see angry people running by, but I pay them no heed.

Sharee · August 2014

1, if they paid the same monthly sub, then as long as they don't break the TOS they have the right to play the game in any way they want.

2, this is not a problem on global scale, because all alliances are equally likely to have players like that in cyrodiil, so on average the effect cancels out.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

this is all kind of needless arguing, ZOS will hopefully add another 30 day campaign soon and the bad lockouts will be a thing of the past. I just found out you can't switch both home and guest on the same day, after switching my home to thornblade and trying to switch my guest to chillrend. So for now I don't have an active campaign to guest into to avoid the queue.

mythmakerdr2002ub17_ESO · August 2014

Working as intended. Also I agree on the points about PVE and whatnot in the zone. Instead of them kicking people in "safe" zones i would rather them fix the lag issues and upgrade servers to be able to support higher populations. Strangely enough having a large population of "idle" players helps with the lag issue more then having a ton of "active" people in the zone as it stands now.

Neyephe · August 2014

There are times people "idle" in safe zones while waiting for a whole group to get together to go somewhere... sometimes people are slow and the wait can take a while. Or it can be a group trying to decide what their next move will be. Not all idling people are afk or just sitting for no reason.

eliisra · August 2014

I'm totally guilty. With the queues today you can't log of or leave Cyrodiil. So if I have to get to the store, run quick errand or have dinner, I park my character somewhere safe and check it now and again to avoid booting.

Not exactly sure how long you can be afk before the game kicks you, but it's long, seems like 15-20 minutes.

But yeah, they need to fix the queues, cant do anything about players choice of location. Paying a monthly fee entitles you to stand wherever you want.

They could boot AP farming guests though, to cut the queues. At least give home campaigners queue priority over guests. Most guests are about as useful as the guys standing afk at the Cyrodiil banker.

Manoekin · August 2014

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

People sabotaging an alliances population limit coming to defend their sabotage with some legitimate sounding explanations, I see.

The quests inside the safe zone direct you out outside of the safe zone. All of them. Can't use that one.

What's your problem with RP Sunday?

Pancake-Tragedy · August 2014

If you come to a queued campaign to do PvE or RP when there are 3 other empty campaigns, then you are selfish. Cyrodiil is the only zone in the game that allows PvP and the only reason that some people even play ESO.

The argument that "I can play how I want" isn't valid here because you are infringing on other peoples ability to play the way that they want and really, can be considered griefing by some.

Mortuum · August 2014

Mission wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

ok so basically if i'm a rp gamer i cannot go in cyro? maybe i've made a background story that brings me to cyro to fight for my alliance and if i rp i shurely take my time and do stuff, not only rush to the first under attak fort to gain a lot of ap and then to another spamming lfg just to gain others people kills so i can complete the quest....
btw i dont do rp i'm just suggesting...

and you really have to go to Cyrodiil when it's full to do RP stuff?
there's plenty(more coming) campaigns to choose, some are next to empty go there by all means. Perhaps create a pve only campaign for this stuff and nonpvp explorers?

Why do you think your entitled to use the zone for pvp and others can't use it for how they want to play?

Because IT IS pvp zone maybe?? So simple it hurts people cant understand it...

Vizier · August 2014

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

No- I understand the frustration felt at seeing people twiddling about when their is a war on but we can't turn casual players, role players and those that have to take a few minutes to feed their screaming kids into second class ESO citizens. What if I've been PvPing for hours and need to relax a bit, discuss something with guildies, make potions or glyphs, clean up inventory? All these things take time and folks shouldn't have to leave cyrodiil to get them done.

If wait times are extensive and the PvP populations warrant it, I imagine ZOS will add campaigns. At least that is my hope. It would make sense for them to do so.

You can converse with your guild in the danger zone. Crafting and such is one thing, but standing around far away from any crafting station is another. They should go to a keep or outside of cyrodil so other people who want to fight the enemy can come in.

Absolutely disagree. IMO it's not for you to judge the efficacy of someone elses game time. Loading into cyrodiil is not like loading into a COD Deathmatch. They pay the sub, they can come to Cyrodiil and enjoy watching the grass grow for all I care. If that's what they're into.

I might even be as frustrated as you if there's a push on Emp and you need more for offense / defense and I see people sitting on their ass. You know sometimes I see the campaign population locked and can barely find a decent sized group. I do in fact wonder Where the ***K people are if the server is locked and we can't mount a group large enough to effectively do anything against the other alliances. The point is ...It happens and I'm not going to go telling people they need to GTFO. There's a ton of things to do in Cyrodiil that don't involve engaging in the "campaign" proper, and sitting on their ass is one of them.

I think you'd be better served by petitioning for more campaigns.

Nox_Aeterna · August 2014

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smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

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Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Cyrodiil is just another game zone , there is already a safe guard in place for AFK players and that is enough , just because it is not acceptable to you , doesnt make it to everyone.

Like i said , i believe they have all the right to do so , they waited to get in like everyone else.

With that said , i agree , i dont see this happening either , because there is already a system in place to quick afk players.

there are safe places so you can buy siege equipment and change horses and get things from the bank before going out to pvp. It's not there to idle or chat. If the campaign is locked and people are waiting for an hour to get through the queue to pvp, you should not be dawdling around in the safe area. Go out into the zone and do things, or leave the zone. If you want to do pve objectives or rp, for that matter, just do it somewhere other than thornblade, which is having these problems currently.

It's called making the gaming experience pleasant for everyone instead of always placing your every little desire first. I realize this is hard to grasp for some people, but just try.

It is each player call to me.

I personally think most players like this already indeed join empty cyros just because they can bypass the wait and still do what they want, BUT if they are willing to wait like everybody else , then they have the same right everybody else does in my opinion.

and that has been your philosophy consistently, which I strongly disagree with. This is a multiplayer game, and if we all think only about ourselves, so does everyone else, and we all stop having fun at some point.

That is the thinking that griefers use to justify how they play. Being a net benefit to the game should be encouraged.

Makes sense since it is my opinion , probably would be weird if it kept changing all the time :P.

I dont really believe this has to do with griefers at all either , cyrodiil is a zone of the game , everyone has the right to use it.

There are queues now on one of them , so people need to wait to enter it , which is annoying and all , but doesnt mean to me that some have more right to enter than others. If people are willing to wait for their turn , then when it comes , they can enjoy the zone.

If players are doing this to grief others , then that is another matter , if they for some reason want that cyro above all others to RP/PvE or whatever really , then it is their right to use that one and not the others.

People could ask these players to not do this , because it makes the wait longer to others , that is perfectly fine , making rules to toss those players out against their will is not.

Ofc , all that in my opinion.

pvp'rs have more rights to the pvp zone because they are using it as intended.

It is there for that purpose, and you are hurting the experience of other players if you choose to pve or rp in a locked campaign. It's intentionally causing others grief. Which everyone is so quick to complain about when it happens to them.

What goes around comes around.

Anyone RPing in cyrodiil can RP while PVPing, so RP while you murder people and you are justified in going to a locked campaign.

Haha it really does , but the same could be said about our discussion about PvP players killing PvE players that are just questing and didnt want to fight to start with :P.

Im guessing some players even with the current issue on this cyro would still dont agree that there should be a PvE cyro.

Too many views of too many "issues". Which is what makes the forums so interesting to begin with.

Sometimes something perfectly fine to you causes others issues , it is hard to walk without stepping on others toes.

except the people being pvp'd are once again in a pvp zone.

And since there are dead campaigns, no this is not a reason we need pve cyrodiil. We need more 30 day campaigns and for people to work to not be ***.

I agree they could add more campaings , i actually prefer that also.

But until zen comes foward and says cyro is not for RP or PvE (which would be weird) , i see it like just another zone , every player has the right to enter and play in their own way in there as long as they follow the rules. In this case , they are waiting in line like everyone else.

Really now that some brought this up i just find this funny , tons were against the creation of the PvE cyro, now RP and PvE players also fill it up and PvP players have to wait to enter , they start to say there is not enough space and they must toss out said players ... "What goes around comes around." indeed.

Why does ZOS need to come forward and say that? Do they have to walk people through everything? The entire goal and objective of the zone is pvp. Everything else exists to facilitate that. It is the only zone like that.

By virtue of waiting in the queue or being in the zone in a locked campaign and not pvping, you are blocking people from doing just that.

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

If you come to a queued campaign to do PvE or RP when there are 3 other empty campaigns, then you are selfish. Cyrodiil is the only zone in the game that allows PvP and the only reason that some people even play ESO.

The argument that "I can play how I want" isn't valid here because you are infringing on other peoples ability to play the way that they want and really, can be considered griefing by some.

Nope , because currently it is their right to PvE/RP... in any cyro they want.

The most PvP players can do is ask that those players join empty cyros , which most probably already do anyway to avoid said queues , but there is no rule to support those players being tossed outside.

If those rules change , then it is on zen to come out and tell those players they cant do that.

Like i said before , i agree with adding more cyros , but not with tossing players out of it.

demonlkojipub19_ESO · August 2014

If you were out in one of the hamlets doing that PvE, that would be something different, but you are rationalizing just chillaxing in the safe zone where there is no PvE outside of crafting stations. Whats next you gonna say all your RP involves crafting?

Yea I think you are doing it just to be *** bags and mess up the alliance count for others. You know you can go do that stuff on the campaign thats not always full, but you feel the trollish desire to pick the one where people are counting on their alliance being their for the war effort, not hanging out in the safe zone using khajiit speak.

You could be courteous about it, but you decide to be discourteous. Go do it in chillrend or haderous, the last two people will go to actually PvP.