Cyrodiil limit abuse!

prototypefb

Today in Cyrodiil i noticed group of about 20 people standing around doing nothing in 'safe' zone near wayshrines while campaign was full and 20+ people on queve.

This begs the question: were those characters alts/friends/guildmates of other alliance people trying to artifically 'reduce' opponent numbers or just random slackers?

Current queve system needs rework, here's what i believe could improve situation:

If campaign reaches status 'full'
>>> inactive characters get disconnected/kicked out of campaign. Inactivity would translate as being in 'safe zone' or being in any other general area and not using skills/horse etc.
>>> characters in queve get sorted by priorities:
1) Home campaign descending by tyro rank or current points in campaign.
2) Guests descending by tyro rank or points.

This would solve near every situation where system would be abused by opponent alliances, like it can be done now.

Nox_Aeterna

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

Sabin1269

I assume you would be using a timer for the "safe zone" I agree if a player is inactive for more than 10 minutes and in a safe zone then they should be booted so a new, active player can join. my first though was 5 minutes but i have even been guilty of walking away for 5 minutes to do something around the house and come back but I think 10 minutes is more than enough time. I don't think that they should be kicked because of rank, what of the people that are coming in to start playing PvP? If I was kicked because my rank was too low I don't think I would ever give it another chance! How are you supposed to gain ranks and standing in PvP if you can't play it?

prototypefb

10 minutes is too long i believe, i'd go for 5 minutes.
perhaps best would be 5 minutes without alliance point gain and let some1 else be in your place( of course ONLY IF campaign is 'FULL' and there are any1 on the queve)

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Mission

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Only one problem with your saying about going to a pve zone..Cyrodiil has pve objectives. as well as pvp..its not just about pvp.

Nox_Aeterna

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Cyrodiil is just another game zone , there is already a safe guard in place for AFK players and that is enough , just because it is not acceptable to you , doesnt make it to everyone.

Like i said , i believe they have all the right to do so , they waited to get in like everyone else.

With that said , i agree , i dont see this happening either , because there is already a system in place to quick afk players.

traigusb14_ESO2

I get booted for inactivity everywhere in the game. So, I assume they aren't completely inactive.

JamilaRaj

prototypefb wrote: »

Today in Cyrodiil i noticed group of about 20 people standing around doing nothing in 'safe' zone near wayshrines while campaign was full and 20+ people on queve.

This begs the question: were those characters alts/friends/guildmates of other alliance people trying to artifically 'reduce' opponent numbers or just random slackers?

Current queve system needs rework, here's what i believe could improve situation:

If campaign reaches status 'full'
>>> inactive characters get disconnected/kicked out of campaign. Inactivity would translate as being in 'safe zone' or being in any other general area and not using skills/horse etc.
>>> characters in queve get sorted by priorities:
1) Home campaign descending by tyro rank or current points in campaign.
2) Guests descending by tyro rank or points.

This would solve near every situation where system would be abused by opponent alliances, like it can be done now.

Nonsense. Not only your solution creates potential for vicious circle where players with low rank/APs can not get into campaign to farm rank/APs, but, more importantly, you (fail) to solve arbitrary problem. The problem is not how queues work, but that they are.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Cyrodiil is just another game zone , there is already a safe guard in place for AFK players and that is enough , just because it is not acceptable to you , doesnt make it to everyone.

Like i said , i believe they have all the right to do so , they waited to get in like everyone else.

With that said , i agree , i dont see this happening either , because there is already a system in place to quick afk players.

there are safe places so you can buy siege equipment and change horses and get things from the bank before going out to pvp. It's not there to idle or chat. If the campaign is locked and people are waiting for an hour to get through the queue to pvp, you should not be dawdling around in the safe area. Go out into the zone and do things, or leave the zone. If you want to do pve objectives or rp, for that matter, just do it somewhere other than thornblade, which is having these problems currently.

It's called making the gaming experience pleasant for everyone instead of always placing your every little desire first. I realize this is hard to grasp for some people, but just try.

Tonnopesce

ok so basically if i'm a rp gamer i cannot go in cyro? maybe i've made a background story that brings me to cyro to fight for my alliance and if i rp i shurely take my time and do stuff, not only rush to the first under attak fort to gain a lot of ap and then to another spamming lfg just to gain others people kills so i can complete the quest....
btw i dont do rp i'm just suggesting...

prototypefb

traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »

I get booted for inactivity everywhere in the game. So, I assume they aren't completely inactive.

there's loads of macros available to imitate 'activity' and fyi just moving mouse once per 10 minutes on alt account is not a problem for any busy pvper.
that's why need some safeguard in place to ensure things like this are not that widespread.
seen situations like that in other games.

quote of the day:
People by nature are ***!

Nox_Aeterna

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Cyrodiil is just another game zone , there is already a safe guard in place for AFK players and that is enough , just because it is not acceptable to you , doesnt make it to everyone.

Like i said , i believe they have all the right to do so , they waited to get in like everyone else.

With that said , i agree , i dont see this happening either , because there is already a system in place to quick afk players.

there are safe places so you can buy siege equipment and change horses and get things from the bank before going out to pvp. It's not there to idle or chat. If the campaign is locked and people are waiting for an hour to get through the queue to pvp, you should not be dawdling around in the safe area. Go out into the zone and do things, or leave the zone. If you want to do pve objectives or rp, for that matter, just do it somewhere other than thornblade, which is having these problems currently.

It's called making the gaming experience pleasant for everyone instead of always placing your every little desire first. I realize this is hard to grasp for some people, but just try.

It is each player call to me.

I personally think most players like this already indeed join empty cyros just because they can bypass the wait and still do what they want, BUT if they are willing to wait like everybody else , then they have the same right everybody else does in my opinion.

prototypefb

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

ok so basically if i'm a rp gamer i cannot go in cyro? maybe i've made a background story that brings me to cyro to fight for my alliance and if i rp i shurely take my time and do stuff, not only rush to the first under attak fort to gain a lot of ap and then to another spamming lfg just to gain others people kills so i can complete the quest....
btw i dont do rp i'm just suggesting...

and you really have to go to Cyrodiil when it's full to do RP stuff?
there's plenty(more coming) campaigns to choose, some are next to empty go there by all means. Perhaps create a pve only campaign for this stuff and nonpvp explorers?

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Cyrodiil is just another game zone , there is already a safe guard in place for AFK players and that is enough , just because it is not acceptable to you , doesnt make it to everyone.

Like i said , i believe they have all the right to do so , they waited to get in like everyone else.

With that said , i agree , i dont see this happening either , because there is already a system in place to quick afk players.

there are safe places so you can buy siege equipment and change horses and get things from the bank before going out to pvp. It's not there to idle or chat. If the campaign is locked and people are waiting for an hour to get through the queue to pvp, you should not be dawdling around in the safe area. Go out into the zone and do things, or leave the zone. If you want to do pve objectives or rp, for that matter, just do it somewhere other than thornblade, which is having these problems currently.

It's called making the gaming experience pleasant for everyone instead of always placing your every little desire first. I realize this is hard to grasp for some people, but just try.

It is each player call to me.

I personally think most players like this already indeed join empty cyros just because they can bypass the wait and still do what they want, BUT if they are willing to wait like everybody else , then they have the same right everybody else does in my opinion.

and that has been your philosophy consistently, which I strongly disagree with. This is a multiplayer game, and if we all think only about ourselves, so does everyone else, and we all stop having fun at some point.

That is the thinking that griefers use to justify how they play. Being a net benefit to the game should be encouraged.

Tonnopesce

i just dont understand why if i'm a rp gamer i cannot go in pvp?
if i want i go and not for do pve but pvp and if you take a rp prospective (so quite real) maybe go and kill 2or 3 people is not to absurd.. the absurd ting is kill 100 people as probably me and you kill in a pvp night.....

Mission

prototypefb wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

ok so basically if i'm a rp gamer i cannot go in cyro? maybe i've made a background story that brings me to cyro to fight for my alliance and if i rp i shurely take my time and do stuff, not only rush to the first under attak fort to gain a lot of ap and then to another spamming lfg just to gain others people kills so i can complete the quest....
btw i dont do rp i'm just suggesting...

and you really have to go to Cyrodiil when it's full to do RP stuff?
there's plenty(more coming) campaigns to choose, some are next to empty go there by all means. Perhaps create a pve only campaign for this stuff and nonpvp explorers?

Why do you think your entitled to use the zone for pvp and others can't use it for how they want to play? Everyone else has just as much right to choose whichever campaign they want, just the same as you. Why can't you choose one of the less full campaigns?

DenverRalphy

The RP excuse is silly. If the player can RP, then so should the game itself. If you're there to RP, then your RP should contribute to the cause. RP while you're killing the enemy. If you're just going to RP and cheer from the sidelines, then an NPC should RP and force lollygaggers out of a warzone, because they have no business getting in the way. In war, nobody has the time or patience for those who waste resources or interfere with the cause.

Mission

DenverRalphy wrote: »

The RP excuse is silly. If the player can RP, then so should the game itself. If you're there to RP, then your RP should contribute to the cause. RP while you're killing the enemy. If you're just going to RP and cheer from the sidelines, then an NPC should RP and force lollygaggers out of a warzone, because they have no business getting in the way. In war, nobody has the time or patience for those who waste resources or interfere with the cause.

Well what if they aren't rping..what if they are pveing..There are quite a few quests/skyshards to collect in Cyrodiil. Again..it's not just a pvp zone all about pvp. I don't think of it as a warzone. But just a zone with pvp active in it.

DenverRalphy

Mission wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

The RP excuse is silly. If the player can RP, then so should the game itself. If you're there to RP, then your RP should contribute to the cause. RP while you're killing the enemy. If you're just going to RP and cheer from the sidelines, then an NPC should RP and force lollygaggers out of a warzone, because they have no business getting in the way. In war, nobody has the time or patience for those who waste resources or interfere with the cause.

Well what if they aren't rping..what if they are pveing..There are quite a few quests/skyshards to collect in Cyrodiil

That's a moot point. The PVE content requires players to go outside of the safety net. They're not camped in a safe zone.

Mission

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Mission wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

The RP excuse is silly. If the player can RP, then so should the game itself. If you're there to RP, then your RP should contribute to the cause. RP while you're killing the enemy. If you're just going to RP and cheer from the sidelines, then an NPC should RP and force lollygaggers out of a warzone, because they have no business getting in the way. In war, nobody has the time or patience for those who waste resources or interfere with the cause.

Well what if they aren't rping..what if they are pveing..There are quite a few quests/skyshards to collect in Cyrodiil

That's a moot point. The PVE content requires players to go outside of the safety net. They're not camped in a safe zone.

Except for that fact that there are quests in the safe zone...

Nox_Aeterna

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Cyrodiil is just another game zone , there is already a safe guard in place for AFK players and that is enough , just because it is not acceptable to you , doesnt make it to everyone.

Like i said , i believe they have all the right to do so , they waited to get in like everyone else.

With that said , i agree , i dont see this happening either , because there is already a system in place to quick afk players.

there are safe places so you can buy siege equipment and change horses and get things from the bank before going out to pvp. It's not there to idle or chat. If the campaign is locked and people are waiting for an hour to get through the queue to pvp, you should not be dawdling around in the safe area. Go out into the zone and do things, or leave the zone. If you want to do pve objectives or rp, for that matter, just do it somewhere other than thornblade, which is having these problems currently.

It's called making the gaming experience pleasant for everyone instead of always placing your every little desire first. I realize this is hard to grasp for some people, but just try.

It is each player call to me.

I personally think most players like this already indeed join empty cyros just because they can bypass the wait and still do what they want, BUT if they are willing to wait like everybody else , then they have the same right everybody else does in my opinion.

and that has been your philosophy consistently, which I strongly disagree with. This is a multiplayer game, and if we all think only about ourselves, so does everyone else, and we all stop having fun at some point.

That is the thinking that griefers use to justify how they play. Being a net benefit to the game should be encouraged.

Makes sense since it is my opinion , probably would be weird if it kept changing all the time :P.

I dont really believe this has to do with griefers at all either , cyrodiil is a zone of the game , everyone has the right to use it.

There are queues now on one of them , so people need to wait to enter it , which is annoying and all , but doesnt mean to me that some have more right to enter than others. If people are willing to wait for their turn , then when it comes , they can enjoy the zone.

If players are doing this to grief others , then that is another matter , if they for some reason want that cyro above all others to RP/PvE or whatever really , then it is their right to use that one and not the others.

People could ask these players to not do this , because it makes the wait longer to others , that is perfectly fine , making rules to toss those players out against their will is not.

Ofc , all that in my opinion.

DenverRalphy

Mission wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Mission wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

The RP excuse is silly. If the player can RP, then so should the game itself. If you're there to RP, then your RP should contribute to the cause. RP while you're killing the enemy. If you're just going to RP and cheer from the sidelines, then an NPC should RP and force lollygaggers out of a warzone, because they have no business getting in the way. In war, nobody has the time or patience for those who waste resources or interfere with the cause.

Well what if they aren't rping..what if they are pveing..There are quite a few quests/skyshards to collect in Cyrodiil

That's a moot point. The PVE content requires players to go outside of the safety net. They're not camped in a safe zone.

Except for that fact that there are quests in the safe zone...

How long does anybody doing PVE need to spend in a safe zone. Seriously. Only long enough to actually grab the quest. After that, you're on your way out of the safe zone.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

dude there are empty campaigns, go to them and everyone is happy. problem solved. Stop ruining the expeirence for other people.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Cyrodiil is just another game zone , there is already a safe guard in place for AFK players and that is enough , just because it is not acceptable to you , doesnt make it to everyone.

Like i said , i believe they have all the right to do so , they waited to get in like everyone else.

With that said , i agree , i dont see this happening either , because there is already a system in place to quick afk players.

there are safe places so you can buy siege equipment and change horses and get things from the bank before going out to pvp. It's not there to idle or chat. If the campaign is locked and people are waiting for an hour to get through the queue to pvp, you should not be dawdling around in the safe area. Go out into the zone and do things, or leave the zone. If you want to do pve objectives or rp, for that matter, just do it somewhere other than thornblade, which is having these problems currently.

It's called making the gaming experience pleasant for everyone instead of always placing your every little desire first. I realize this is hard to grasp for some people, but just try.

It is each player call to me.

I personally think most players like this already indeed join empty cyros just because they can bypass the wait and still do what they want, BUT if they are willing to wait like everybody else , then they have the same right everybody else does in my opinion.

and that has been your philosophy consistently, which I strongly disagree with. This is a multiplayer game, and if we all think only about ourselves, so does everyone else, and we all stop having fun at some point.

That is the thinking that griefers use to justify how they play. Being a net benefit to the game should be encouraged.

Makes sense since it is my opinion , probably would be weird if it kept changing all the time :P.

I dont really believe this has to do with griefers at all either , cyrodiil is a zone of the game , everyone has the right to use it.

There are queues now on one of them , so people need to wait to enter it , which is annoying and all , but doesnt mean to me that some have more right to enter than others. If people are willing to wait for their turn , then when it comes , they can enjoy the zone.

If players are doing this to grief others , then that is another matter , if they for some reason want that cyro above all others to RP/PvE or whatever really , then it is their right to use that one and not the others.

People could ask these players to not do this , because it makes the wait longer to others , that is perfectly fine , making rules to toss those players out against their will is not.

Ofc , all that in my opinion.

pvp'rs have more rights to the pvp zone because they are using it as intended.

It is there for that purpose, and you are hurting the experience of other players if you choose to pve or rp in a locked campaign. It's intentionally causing others grief. Which everyone is so quick to complain about when it happens to them.

What goes around comes around.

Anyone RPing in cyrodiil can RP while PVPing, so RP while you murder people and you are justified in going to a locked campaign.

Artemiisia

there is also training sessions in cyrodil from guilds from time to time, in the past we/they could do them in like an empty campaign where nothing happens. with so few campaigns maybe this will get affected for sure.

Skafsgaard

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

If ppl wanna RP they can go to Haderus - nuff said.

Fully Agree with OP!

Nox_Aeterna

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Cyrodiil is just another game zone , there is already a safe guard in place for AFK players and that is enough , just because it is not acceptable to you , doesnt make it to everyone.

Like i said , i believe they have all the right to do so , they waited to get in like everyone else.

With that said , i agree , i dont see this happening either , because there is already a system in place to quick afk players.

there are safe places so you can buy siege equipment and change horses and get things from the bank before going out to pvp. It's not there to idle or chat. If the campaign is locked and people are waiting for an hour to get through the queue to pvp, you should not be dawdling around in the safe area. Go out into the zone and do things, or leave the zone. If you want to do pve objectives or rp, for that matter, just do it somewhere other than thornblade, which is having these problems currently.

It's called making the gaming experience pleasant for everyone instead of always placing your every little desire first. I realize this is hard to grasp for some people, but just try.

It is each player call to me.

I personally think most players like this already indeed join empty cyros just because they can bypass the wait and still do what they want, BUT if they are willing to wait like everybody else , then they have the same right everybody else does in my opinion.

and that has been your philosophy consistently, which I strongly disagree with. This is a multiplayer game, and if we all think only about ourselves, so does everyone else, and we all stop having fun at some point.

That is the thinking that griefers use to justify how they play. Being a net benefit to the game should be encouraged.

Makes sense since it is my opinion , probably would be weird if it kept changing all the time :P.

I dont really believe this has to do with griefers at all either , cyrodiil is a zone of the game , everyone has the right to use it.

There are queues now on one of them , so people need to wait to enter it , which is annoying and all , but doesnt mean to me that some have more right to enter than others. If people are willing to wait for their turn , then when it comes , they can enjoy the zone.

If players are doing this to grief others , then that is another matter , if they for some reason want that cyro above all others to RP/PvE or whatever really , then it is their right to use that one and not the others.

People could ask these players to not do this , because it makes the wait longer to others , that is perfectly fine , making rules to toss those players out against their will is not.

Ofc , all that in my opinion.

pvp'rs have more rights to the pvp zone because they are using it as intended.

It is there for that purpose, and you are hurting the experience of other players if you choose to pve or rp in a locked campaign. It's intentionally causing others grief. Which everyone is so quick to complain about when it happens to them.

What goes around comes around.

Anyone RPing in cyrodiil can RP while PVPing, so RP while you murder people and you are justified in going to a locked campaign.

Haha it really does , but the same could be said about our discussion about PvP players killing PvE players that are just questing and didnt want to fight to start with :P.

Im guessing some players even with the current issue on this cyro would still dont agree that there should be a PvE cyro.

Too many views of too many "issues". Which is what makes the forums so interesting to begin with.

Sometimes something perfectly fine to you causes others issues , it is hard to walk without stepping on others toes.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

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Nope , dont agree with this idea.

Sometimes people have other things to attend to so they leave their chars for a few minutes , sometimes they are just relaxing in that area for some reason , some probably even RP there (i saw people RP on all kinds of places so i assume :P...)

People thet got in , got in , they also had to wait just like everybody for their chance to be there , they have the same right to remain inside.

PS: the game already has a system in place to kick you from the game if spend to much time AFK , which is enough in my opinion.

who the hell RPs in cyrodiil? No lounging around or RPing and blocking the queue for pvpers is not acceptable. Go play in the pve zones to do that.

I can't see how that could be implemented, however, OP.

Cyrodiil is just another game zone , there is already a safe guard in place for AFK players and that is enough , just because it is not acceptable to you , doesnt make it to everyone.

Like i said , i believe they have all the right to do so , they waited to get in like everyone else.

With that said , i agree , i dont see this happening either , because there is already a system in place to quick afk players.

there are safe places so you can buy siege equipment and change horses and get things from the bank before going out to pvp. It's not there to idle or chat. If the campaign is locked and people are waiting for an hour to get through the queue to pvp, you should not be dawdling around in the safe area. Go out into the zone and do things, or leave the zone. If you want to do pve objectives or rp, for that matter, just do it somewhere other than thornblade, which is having these problems currently.

It's called making the gaming experience pleasant for everyone instead of always placing your every little desire first. I realize this is hard to grasp for some people, but just try.

It is each player call to me.

I personally think most players like this already indeed join empty cyros just because they can bypass the wait and still do what they want, BUT if they are willing to wait like everybody else , then they have the same right everybody else does in my opinion.

and that has been your philosophy consistently, which I strongly disagree with. This is a multiplayer game, and if we all think only about ourselves, so does everyone else, and we all stop having fun at some point.

That is the thinking that griefers use to justify how they play. Being a net benefit to the game should be encouraged.

Makes sense since it is my opinion , probably would be weird if it kept changing all the time :P.

I dont really believe this has to do with griefers at all either , cyrodiil is a zone of the game , everyone has the right to use it.

There are queues now on one of them , so people need to wait to enter it , which is annoying and all , but doesnt mean to me that some have more right to enter than others. If people are willing to wait for their turn , then when it comes , they can enjoy the zone.

If players are doing this to grief others , then that is another matter , if they for some reason want that cyro above all others to RP/PvE or whatever really , then it is their right to use that one and not the others.

People could ask these players to not do this , because it makes the wait longer to others , that is perfectly fine , making rules to toss those players out against their will is not.

Ofc , all that in my opinion.

pvp'rs have more rights to the pvp zone because they are using it as intended.

It is there for that purpose, and you are hurting the experience of other players if you choose to pve or rp in a locked campaign. It's intentionally causing others grief. Which everyone is so quick to complain about when it happens to them.

What goes around comes around.

Anyone RPing in cyrodiil can RP while PVPing, so RP while you murder people and you are justified in going to a locked campaign.

Haha it really does , but the same could be said about our discussion about PvP players killing PvE players that are just questing and didnt want to fight to start with :P.

Im guessing some players even with the current issue on this cyro would still dont agree that there should be a PvE cyro.

Too many views of too many "issues". Which is what makes the forums so interesting to begin with.

Sometimes something perfectly fine to you causes others issues , it is hard to walk without stepping on others toes.

except the people being pvp'd are once again in a pvp zone.

And since there are dead campaigns, no this is not a reason we need pve cyrodiil. We need more 30 day campaigns and for people to work to not be ***.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

People sabotaging an alliances population limit coming to defend their sabotage with some legitimate sounding explanations, I see.

The quests inside the safe zone direct you out outside of the safe zone. All of them. Can't use that one.

kallistiGAD

How long were they idling for? I'm assuming just a few minutes or else they would have been afk kicked at 15 like everyone else. Sometimes I'll idle in a pvp safe zone if I'm still waiting for one or two group members to join the campaign...

I like to play with my husband and, as a healer, I like to make sure I have backup before I go out and get ganked on my way to an objective or zerg. With that said though, if I see the queue is backlogged with people trying to get in, I'll usually tell my husband and we'll head to another campaign that's less full so I don't have to wait so long for him to get in.

Just another possible explanation out of the many reasons why someone might idle in a safe zone. I don't think its a sinister plot to block one alliance or the other from being able to get players into PvP content.