People are griefing at dye station with cone heals

Spottswoode

I was at the dyeing station at Stormhold for 2 hours straight dying and had this happen twice.


More melodrama ftw.

It is a problem, but it's not the end of Tamriel.

Phinix1

Royalroacho wrote: »

In theory, communism works.

To expand on this, in theory, democracy works even if the majority of people are stupid.

I was fortunate enough to get my Daedric gear dyed before the Amber Waves of Failure rolled through my neighborhood. Sadly I can't make my new gear set until they fix the banks, but at least I look stylish in the interim.

Kalann_Pander

dharbert wrote: »

You can't have an online game these days, especially MMO's, without there being griefers. If there was a Tetris Online, someone would find a way to grief it. Simply put, people suck.

^^ This.

RedTalon wrote: »

/Ignore them, I have found if I ignore someone don't end up in the same instant has them or can't see them unless its the pvp zone.

Thanks, this will definitely help managing the problem.

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

democracy works even if the majority of people are stupid.

It's called sheepocracy. Democracy is a fancy name for a theoretical construct that has never actually been applied in the physical world.

Lookoutitsdomkeub17_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

these are not offenses.

Excuse me?

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Thanks for your reports, folks! If another player is making it impossible for you to dye in peace, please report them in-game. Our Support Team will be happy to investigate further.

I haven't experienced this personally... Actually, I'm still patching. Yay for the 200kb/s DL speed >_> but I can see how this would be annoying. Why do people find it entertaining to just ruin other people's experiences?

SirAndy

MercyKilling wrote: »

See...if you'd bothered to check out the Terms of Service( Here, go read: http://www.zenimax.com/legal_terms_us) you'd know that you're so full of defecation your eyes are brown and your breath stinks.

Well, she did get my post removed and reported me to ZOS for violating something or the other, so there's that ...

MeowGinger

Most of Smee's posts were deleted by mods, and responses that quoted them (such as mine) were also deleted as a result. I did get a message in my inbox that there is no mark against my account.

dsalter

surprised dye stations werent in a phased indoor area tbh

Audigy

I don't think everyone is a griefer just because he casts a spell in town. We have tons of People that ride their horses in town, stand in front of the banker directly on the NPC etc.

If everyone who does this automatically classifies as a griefer and a "insult your mentioned RL insults", then I see pitch black for our world. It would mean that 90% of those who play fall into these category's including yourself

In my opinion many of you over dramatize the situation, if I would report everyone with a mount in town who blocks my NPC interaction then I wouldn't be able to play the game at all

MeowGinger

Audigy wrote: »

I don't think everyone is a griefer just because he casts a spell in town. We have tons of People that ride their horses in town, stand in front of the banker directly on the NPC etc.

If everyone who does this automatically classifies as a griefer and a "insult your mentioned RL insults", then I see pitch black for our world. It would mean that 90% of those who play fall into these category's including yourself

In my opinion many of you over dramatize the situation, if I would report everyone with a mount in town who blocks my NPC interaction then I wouldn't be able to play the game at all

Maybe you haven't experienced this... I posted a picture on page 2 of what it looks like.

Standing in front of a banker or riding a horse does nothing. Spells and pets in banks can be annoying, but this is worse. People can't even see and dye their armor properly if they can only see flashing lights that bleach everything (even black) to gold or white.

There are so many people clustered together in some areas that the magic spammers stand in the middle of the crowd so they can't be identified, reported, or stopped. Sometimes there are several at a time, to the point where it seems like they have an infinite supply of magicka.

emeraldbay

Audigy wrote: »

I don't think everyone is a griefer just because he casts a spell in town. We have tons of People that ride their horses in town, stand in front of the banker directly on the NPC etc.

If everyone who does this automatically classifies as a griefer and a "insult your mentioned RL insults", then I see pitch black for our world. It would mean that 90% of those who play fall into these category's including yourself

In my opinion many of you over dramatize the situation, if I would report everyone with a mount in town who blocks my NPC interaction then I wouldn't be able to play the game at all

No, I think someone is a griefer when they stand by the dye station and spam that spell for the sole purpose of causing discontent among the people trying to actually use the dye station. Simply doing something I don't like is one thing, but when they impair my ability to participate in a portion of the game on purpose, they are a griefer. In my eyes, anyways.

Varicite

babylon wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I can't believe that it took all of 5 minutes for the psychopaths to figure out how to grief dye stations. Dye stations! What could be innocuous than that?! And then 5 minutes later, they were on their little psychopath bat phone network telling all the other griefers about it. And 5 minutes after that, every last one of them had crawled out of their cave and they were at every dye station in Tamriel. Giggling away behind their keyboards like Beavis & Butthead.

Unbelievable. It just boggles the mind how some people's brains work. :-(

If there is one thing these dye stations prove , is that people will try to grief others over anything.

Hope zen learns that this is how playerbase behaves and start to listen to the many threads talking about possible grief issues on their new systems.

Yep, the justice system will be a mess.

I'm not sure how you could use the Justice system to grief, though I'm sure ways will be found if it's at all possible.

Just logically speaking though, you can't be attacked unless you choose to kill NPCs and steal items enough to gain enough notoriety to flag yourself. It's literally your own choice to participate and it doesn't sound as though anyone can force you to.

How can it be griefing when you are actively inviting others to attack you?

Audigy

MeowGinger wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

I don't think everyone is a griefer just because he casts a spell in town. We have tons of People that ride their horses in town, stand in front of the banker directly on the NPC etc.

If everyone who does this automatically classifies as a griefer and a "insult your mentioned RL insults", then I see pitch black for our world. It would mean that 90% of those who play fall into these category's including yourself

In my opinion many of you over dramatize the situation, if I would report everyone with a mount in town who blocks my NPC interaction then I wouldn't be able to play the game at all

Maybe you haven't experienced this... I posted a picture on page 2 of what it looks like.

Standing in front of a banker or riding a horse does nothing. Spells and pets in banks can be annoying, but this is worse. People can't even see and dye their armor properly if they can only see flashing lights that bleach everything (even black) to gold or white.

There are so many people clustered together in some areas that the magic spammers stand in the middle of the crowd so they can't be identified, reported, or stopped. Sometimes there are several at a time, to the point where it seems like they have an infinite supply of magicka.

I saw your screenshot yes and I think ZO should address this by making the preview window "free from background colors etc." like in the char creation screen.

That said, I was only flying over the thread here and I think some people go too far here if they accuse others of being abused as a child etc. These insults are not acceptable and people doing those are not any better than those who cast a spell in town.

As for the banking and mounting, maybe for you its fine - but for me its really annoying. Its been like this since years in MMO´s, worst probably WOW with the dragons sitting on the mailbox so that you can no longer interact with it. I often had moments where I couldn't access an NPC or a crafting station - its not fine

I understand your concern, but people here need to calm down.

emeraldbay wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

I don't think everyone is a griefer just because he casts a spell in town. We have tons of People that ride their horses in town, stand in front of the banker directly on the NPC etc.

If everyone who does this automatically classifies as a griefer and a "insult your mentioned RL insults", then I see pitch black for our world. It would mean that 90% of those who play fall into these category's including yourself

In my opinion many of you over dramatize the situation, if I would report everyone with a mount in town who blocks my NPC interaction then I wouldn't be able to play the game at all

No, I think someone is a griefer when they stand by the dye station and spam that spell for the sole purpose of causing discontent among the people trying to actually use the dye station. Simply doing something I don't like is one thing, but when they impair my ability to participate in a portion of the game on purpose, they are a griefer. In my eyes, anyways.

If they spam it then yes it could be intended, that said not everyone might have that in mind. I sometimes cast a spell as well to buff others, I probably wont do it now at the Dye station for obvious reasons but the intention to grief was never there

Not everyone must have the intention to grief but right now you guys generalize that every spell cast must be coming from a griefer and its the same situation that I explained with the horse or banker camping. Some might just do it without having the intention to grief, yet it hinders us from NPC interaction.

I tend to just wait a bit or move to another bank in that case, the best way is always ignoring those people. If they really want to grief then they will stop sooner or later, when they don't get the attention they want anymore.

I am afraid this thread here has a really poor result in game as those who really want to do harm, will now know how.

Besides that, insulting other people is against the TOS and will result in a punishment so I would advice to just stay cool and leave the RL flames at home (directed at those who used insults so far)

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Rhoric wrote: »

It is griefing. when it affects other players it is called griefing.

no that is not what griefing is at all. Did you get your definition from hello kitty adventures or something?

Your definition is selective just so you can be abusive, try this one:

A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways.[1] A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer

And ZOS also thinks your point of view is asinine.

Alphashado

Audigy wrote: »

I don't think everyone is a griefer just because he casts a spell in town. We have tons of People that ride their horses in town, stand in front of the banker directly on the NPC etc.

If everyone who does this automatically classifies as a griefer and a "insult your mentioned RL insults", then I see pitch black for our world. It would mean that 90% of those who play fall into these category's including yourself

In my opinion many of you over dramatize the situation, if I would report everyone with a mount in town who blocks my NPC interaction then I wouldn't be able to play the game at all

Please. There is a diference between someone occasionally popping an aoe off in town and someone that is spamming it endlessly at a specific location with very clear devious intent.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Thanks for your reports, folks! If another player is making it impossible for you to dye in peace, please report them in-game. Our Support Team will be happy to investigate further.

Edit: In addition, please be sure to keep your comments here civil and respectful. We ask that all posters keep the Code of Conduct in mind. If you feel as though another player has violated our Code of Conduct, please use the report feature to alert the moderation team rather than replying in-thread, as this often needlessly escalates the situation.

Of course you could prevent this pathetic behaviour entirely by locking out skills inside towns and other 'safe' places until you or your targer (in the case of healing skills) are in combat, this would prevent the jerks who happily spam AoEs in banks and other places like bored 5-year-olds.

Nova Sky

SirAndy wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Trolls cant be everywhere

Famous last words ...

Tell me about it. Heck, those beasties infest a good chunk of land in Grahtwood, and they're VR-level trolls, and they're ... oh, wait. Wrong kind of troll.

phairdon

Audigy wrote: »

I don't think everyone is a griefer just because he casts a spell in town. We have tons of People that ride their horses in town, stand in front of the banker directly on the NPC etc.

If everyone who does this automatically classifies as a griefer and a "insult your mentioned RL insults", then I see pitch black for our world. It would mean that 90% of those who play fall into these category's including yourself

In my opinion many of you over dramatize the situation, if I would report everyone with a mount in town who blocks my NPC interaction then I wouldn't be able to play the game at all

Agree with this too - to a point. Pets in banks etc are not a bid deal. The heal spam around the dye area is a problem going by the screenshot provided.

xMovingTarget

EU Server :

No griefer at all. Everybody is just painting their stuff nicely in Belkarth.

MornaBaine

xMovingTarget wrote: »

EU Server :

No griefer at all. Everybody is just painting their stuff nicely in Belkarth.

That's because Europe is, in general, far more civilized than the US. I say that as an American myself.

xMovingTarget

MornaBaine wrote: »

That's because Europe is, in general, far more civilized than the US. I say that as an American myself.

I was about to post that myself. But i thought "nah that might sound wrong" ;D

muhgo

I'm sorry... But...

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Varicite wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I can't believe that it took all of 5 minutes for the psychopaths to figure out how to grief dye stations. Dye stations! What could be innocuous than that?! And then 5 minutes later, they were on their little psychopath bat phone network telling all the other griefers about it. And 5 minutes after that, every last one of them had crawled out of their cave and they were at every dye station in Tamriel. Giggling away behind their keyboards like Beavis & Butthead.

Unbelievable. It just boggles the mind how some people's brains work. :-(

If there is one thing these dye stations prove , is that people will try to grief others over anything.

Hope zen learns that this is how playerbase behaves and start to listen to the many threads talking about possible grief issues on their new systems.

Yep, the justice system will be a mess.

I'm not sure how you could use the Justice system to grief, though I'm sure ways will be found if it's at all possible.

Just logically speaking though, you can't be attacked unless you choose to kill NPCs and steal items enough to gain enough notoriety to flag yourself. It's literally your own choice to participate and it doesn't sound as though anyone can force you to.

How can it be griefing when you are actively inviting others to attack you?

Because you don't actually know how it is implemented. Do i have to go somewhere to sign up to be able to pvp others who have broken the law? If not and all i have to do os attack someone to start it, then yea it is very open to griefing. Or they have already said bankers are attackable, you think it is griefing when you cant dye your armor a pretty color, what happens when you cant get into your bank? Although i suppose the argument could be made that attacking the banker over and over isn't griefing since it was designed that way.

Honestly not trying to be rude but if you cant think of several ways the justice system can be exploited just off the top of your head, you have no experience in open world pvp or you aren't trying very hard. I mean the dye system grief going on now is actually something most people would not think of, people have had years upon years of ways to come up with ways to exploit open world pvp. Now ESO may not fall into that trap. But their record is a little shaky and that is why people worry.

Gillysan

As an EVE Online player I can tell you this is, in this game, is griefing.

RianaTheBosmer

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Rhoric wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I am only sad I didn't think of something like this first. :?.

Save report for real offenses ffs

Those are offensives. you are griefing.

these are not offenses. They are being pains in the behind but no one is being griefed.

It's more than a little funny tbh, I wouldn't have thought to do it. I say that knowing it would irritate me if I was trying to dye my stuff and it happened. But it's just people playing around.

What do you want ZOS to do anyway, suspend them for delaying you getting your makeover done in a timely fashion?

How old are you? Twelve?

MornaBaine

muhgo wrote: »

I'm sorry... But...

I rest my case.

MornaBaine

dharbert wrote: »

There's a really simple solution to this and other methods of griefing. All they have to do is disable all magical effects inside banks and crafting areas/buildings.

Upon entering a bank or an area meant for crafting purposes, no magic and no pets.

Yes please.

kevlarto_ESO

Alphashado wrote: »

I will never understand how some people find entertainment and joy in the act of creating misfortune and displeasure in other people. Life is too short for such nonsense imo.

I agree, I have played mmo's for a very long time, this stuff has always been around but has got much much worse over the last few years, shame really we are all playing a game and looking for some fun, not someone trying to ruin it for us..:(

Varicite

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I can't believe that it took all of 5 minutes for the psychopaths to figure out how to grief dye stations. Dye stations! What could be innocuous than that?! And then 5 minutes later, they were on their little psychopath bat phone network telling all the other griefers about it. And 5 minutes after that, every last one of them had crawled out of their cave and they were at every dye station in Tamriel. Giggling away behind their keyboards like Beavis & Butthead.

Unbelievable. It just boggles the mind how some people's brains work. :-(

If there is one thing these dye stations prove , is that people will try to grief others over anything.

Hope zen learns that this is how playerbase behaves and start to listen to the many threads talking about possible grief issues on their new systems.

Yep, the justice system will be a mess.

I'm not sure how you could use the Justice system to grief, though I'm sure ways will be found if it's at all possible.

Just logically speaking though, you can't be attacked unless you choose to kill NPCs and steal items enough to gain enough notoriety to flag yourself. It's literally your own choice to participate and it doesn't sound as though anyone can force you to.

How can it be griefing when you are actively inviting others to attack you?

Because you don't actually know how it is implemented. Do i have to go somewhere to sign up to be able to pvp others who have broken the law? If not and all i have to do os attack someone to start it, then yea it is very open to griefing. Or they have already said bankers are attackable, you think it is griefing when you cant dye your armor a pretty color, what happens when you cant get into your bank? Although i suppose the argument could be made that attacking the banker over and over isn't griefing since it was designed that way.

Honestly not trying to be rude but if you cant think of several ways the justice system can be exploited just off the top of your head, you have no experience in open world pvp or you aren't trying very hard. I mean the dye system grief going on now is actually something most people would not think of, people have had years upon years of ways to come up with ways to exploit open world pvp. Now ESO may not fall into that trap. But their record is a little shaky and that is why people worry.

To be fair, the Justice system details that we have are pretty much exactly as I described.

I don't know how it will be implemented, true, but I do know a few basic things about it:

Bankers are attackable, but unkillable, and they've said it would be implemented in such a way that wouldn't disrupt other players. So, kinda lame if you're trying to get a rise out of people, but great if you don't feel like waiting for your bank to respawn.

You don't have to sign up to pvp other people, when their bounty becomes high enough, they will automatically be flagged for you to kill. You don't just go from 0 notoriety to killable.

Now, it's true, I do not know if killing a random npc is enough to flag you. I don't know if hitting them once or twice is enough. You may need to go on a rampage, who knows.

Either way, if YOU have to attack someone, nobody can force you to do so. Again, you can't be griefed by something that you have 100% control over.

The "several" ways that you just mentioned have all been covered already. Most of these just sound like Chicken Little speculation or simple paranoia.

Like I said, if it can be used to grief, I'm sure it will, but at first glance it doesn't seem like it will be set up to be easily exploited. More than anything, it sounds like it's up to the player whether they want to participate or not.

Phinix1

Just reported a couple morons for doing this in-game. Felt pretty good. Then I called their name out in /say and /zone encouraging others to come and report them as well.

That stopped them almost immediately. After a few angry curses and internet tough guy tantrums, he stormed off.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Varicite wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I can't believe that it took all of 5 minutes for the psychopaths to figure out how to grief dye stations. Dye stations! What could be innocuous than that?! And then 5 minutes later, they were on their little psychopath bat phone network telling all the other griefers about it. And 5 minutes after that, every last one of them had crawled out of their cave and they were at every dye station in Tamriel. Giggling away behind their keyboards like Beavis & Butthead.

Unbelievable. It just boggles the mind how some people's brains work. :-(

If there is one thing these dye stations prove , is that people will try to grief others over anything.

Hope zen learns that this is how playerbase behaves and start to listen to the many threads talking about possible grief issues on their new systems.

Yep, the justice system will be a mess.

I'm not sure how you could use the Justice system to grief, though I'm sure ways will be found if it's at all possible.

Just logically speaking though, you can't be attacked unless you choose to kill NPCs and steal items enough to gain enough notoriety to flag yourself. It's literally your own choice to participate and it doesn't sound as though anyone can force you to.

How can it be griefing when you are actively inviting others to attack you?

Because you don't actually know how it is implemented. Do i have to go somewhere to sign up to be able to pvp others who have broken the law? If not and all i have to do os attack someone to start it, then yea it is very open to griefing. Or they have already said bankers are attackable, you think it is griefing when you cant dye your armor a pretty color, what happens when you cant get into your bank? Although i suppose the argument could be made that attacking the banker over and over isn't griefing since it was designed that way.

Honestly not trying to be rude but if you cant think of several ways the justice system can be exploited just off the top of your head, you have no experience in open world pvp or you aren't trying very hard. I mean the dye system grief going on now is actually something most people would not think of, people have had years upon years of ways to come up with ways to exploit open world pvp. Now ESO may not fall into that trap. But their record is a little shaky and that is why people worry.

To be fair, the Justice system details that we have are pretty much exactly as I described.

I don't know how it will be implemented, true, but I do know a few basic things about it:

Bankers are attackable, but unkillable, and they've said it would be implemented in such a way that wouldn't disrupt other players. So, kinda lame if you're trying to get a rise out of people, but great if you don't feel like waiting for your bank to respawn.

You don't have to sign up to pvp other people, when their bounty becomes high enough, they will automatically be flagged for you to kill. You don't just go from 0 notoriety to killable.

Now, it's true, I do not know if killing a random npc is enough to flag you. I don't know if hitting them once or twice is enough. You may need to go on a rampage, who knows.

Either way, if YOU have to attack someone, nobody can force you to do so. Again, you can't be griefed by something that you have 100% control over.

The "several" ways that you just mentioned have all been covered already. Most of these just sound like Chicken Little speculation or simple paranoia.

Like I said, if it can be used to grief, I'm sure it will, but at first glance it doesn't seem like it will be set up to be easily exploited. More than anything, it sounds like it's up to the player whether they want to participate or not.

If i have to attack some one ... No one can force me...

Say said flagged person follows me out into the wild hoping around me just bouncing around. They have basically forced me into not doing anything or risk hitting them Or they just hide somewhere and jump out. Keep in mind there is no tab target. My attacks go in a straight line or hit whatever is in front of me. A flagged person most certainly can force me to attack them. And what about healing? People healing flagged people most certainly should be flagged. But i cant aim my heals they go where ever they want.