ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »Honestly, Akaviri or Dwemer. We're sitting on the cusp of their involvement in Tamriel (at least compared to many later games) and could easily handle them without completely destroying canon.
Dwemer are already gone, how would they be viable?
This game already has a good precedent of time traveling, and the nearness of the Dwemer event makes it more viable in my opinion.
Plus, there seems to be a precedent for 'not as extinct as we thought', with Kothringi, Snow Elves, Aldmeri, etc.
I don't think having an entire race that is just time traveling to the current time is anything but lore breaking.
And yes the dwemer are gone, even the last dwemer, who was on other planes when the disappearance happened, could not find his people. The whole thing is meant to be an unsolved mystery for a reason.
An entire race? No, not likely. A small handful of possibly several thousand 'exceptions'? Much more plausible.
I'm not talking about the whole society coming back. Simply player characters, which could be 'remnants' or 'left overs'. Maybe they are mix breeds. Maybe they were cut off. Etc.
The fact that it's an unsolved mystery means it's full of potential plot holes. Case in point, what do Dwemer even look like that would make them immediately distinguishable from other Mer? Would we see one and the NPC on the street immediately know it's a Dwemer?
Even in later generations, we walk around in their armor and some even inhabit their structures. It's entirely possible, if even probable, that not all dwemer knew what was going on or why the race vanished, and that they could still be in Tamriel and just not be known.
Course, I prefer the 'remnants' line, and think that an unlocked race would be a very fun addition. You could even write it into the lore that it was later proven that these weren't 'pure bloods' and thus weren't technically Dwemer any longer.
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »Honestly, Akaviri or Dwemer. We're sitting on the cusp of their involvement in Tamriel (at least compared to many later games) and could easily handle them without completely destroying canon.
Dwemer are already gone, how would they be viable?
This game already has a good precedent of time traveling, and the nearness of the Dwemer event makes it more viable in my opinion.
Plus, there seems to be a precedent for 'not as extinct as we thought', with Kothringi, Snow Elves, Aldmeri, etc.
I don't think having an entire race that is just time traveling to the current time is anything but lore breaking.
And yes the dwemer are gone, even the last dwemer, who was on other planes when the disappearance happened, could not find his people. The whole thing is meant to be an unsolved mystery for a reason.
An entire race? No, not likely. A small handful of possibly several thousand 'exceptions'? Much more plausible.
I'm not talking about the whole society coming back. Simply player characters, which could be 'remnants' or 'left overs'. Maybe they are mix breeds. Maybe they were cut off. Etc.
The fact that it's an unsolved mystery means it's full of potential plot holes. Case in point, what do Dwemer even look like that would make them immediately distinguishable from other Mer? Would we see one and the NPC on the street immediately know it's a Dwemer?
Even in later generations, we walk around in their armor and some even inhabit their structures. It's entirely possible, if even probable, that not all dwemer knew what was going on or why the race vanished, and that they could still be in Tamriel and just not be known.
Course, I prefer the 'remnants' line, and think that an unlocked race would be a very fun addition. You could even write it into the lore that it was later proven that these weren't 'pure bloods' and thus weren't technically Dwemer any longer.
no that is a terrible idea. Like I said the disappearance is a mystery for a reason. If you have them walking around in the present, that mystery dies. Also why didn't these dwemer continue to live and propagate the species in the present?
People that are actually invested in the lore, the people who play ESO because it is a TES game, would be furious and rightfully so.
Ruze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.
He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.
ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »Honestly, Akaviri or Dwemer. We're sitting on the cusp of their involvement in Tamriel (at least compared to many later games) and could easily handle them without completely destroying canon.
Dwemer are already gone, how would they be viable?
This game already has a good precedent of time traveling, and the nearness of the Dwemer event makes it more viable in my opinion.
Plus, there seems to be a precedent for 'not as extinct as we thought', with Kothringi, Snow Elves, Aldmeri, etc.
I don't think having an entire race that is just time traveling to the current time is anything but lore breaking.
And yes the dwemer are gone, even the last dwemer, who was on other planes when the disappearance happened, could not find his people. The whole thing is meant to be an unsolved mystery for a reason.
An entire race? No, not likely. A small handful of possibly several thousand 'exceptions'? Much more plausible.
I'm not talking about the whole society coming back. Simply player characters, which could be 'remnants' or 'left overs'. Maybe they are mix breeds. Maybe they were cut off. Etc.
The fact that it's an unsolved mystery means it's full of potential plot holes. Case in point, what do Dwemer even look like that would make them immediately distinguishable from other Mer? Would we see one and the NPC on the street immediately know it's a Dwemer?
Even in later generations, we walk around in their armor and some even inhabit their structures. It's entirely possible, if even probable, that not all dwemer knew what was going on or why the race vanished, and that they could still be in Tamriel and just not be known.
Course, I prefer the 'remnants' line, and think that an unlocked race would be a very fun addition. You could even write it into the lore that it was later proven that these weren't 'pure bloods' and thus weren't technically Dwemer any longer.
no that is a terrible idea. Like I said the disappearance is a mystery for a reason. If you have them walking around in the present, that mystery dies. Also why didn't these dwemer continue to live and propagate the species in the present?
People that are actually invested in the lore, the people who play ESO because it is a TES game, would be furious and rightfully so.
You make it sound as if I haven't played through each game, haven't read both fiction books as well as collectors editions guides and in-game lorebooks, and haven't spent quite a bit of time on various wiki's and other resources investing in The Elder Scrolls.
As far as the mystery of their departure, having remnant's of the race alive in THIS timeline, possibly sterile, doesn't mean we know why pure blood Dwemer disappeared. Mystery still present.
On an aside, one of these days they are going to resolve this mystery, and I'll predict there are going to be a LOT of unhappy lore fans. Not every lore fan, mind you. Just the ones that have made up their mind on how it SHOULD be.
I personally invest myself in a world run by others. I learned a long time ago not to put too much of my personal beliefs into someone else's world (thank you, George Lucus ... ***).
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »Honestly, Akaviri or Dwemer. We're sitting on the cusp of their involvement in Tamriel (at least compared to many later games) and could easily handle them without completely destroying canon.
Dwemer are already gone, how would they be viable?
This game already has a good precedent of time traveling, and the nearness of the Dwemer event makes it more viable in my opinion.
Plus, there seems to be a precedent for 'not as extinct as we thought', with Kothringi, Snow Elves, Aldmeri, etc.
I don't think having an entire race that is just time traveling to the current time is anything but lore breaking.
And yes the dwemer are gone, even the last dwemer, who was on other planes when the disappearance happened, could not find his people. The whole thing is meant to be an unsolved mystery for a reason.
An entire race? No, not likely. A small handful of possibly several thousand 'exceptions'? Much more plausible.
I'm not talking about the whole society coming back. Simply player characters, which could be 'remnants' or 'left overs'. Maybe they are mix breeds. Maybe they were cut off. Etc.
The fact that it's an unsolved mystery means it's full of potential plot holes. Case in point, what do Dwemer even look like that would make them immediately distinguishable from other Mer? Would we see one and the NPC on the street immediately know it's a Dwemer?
Even in later generations, we walk around in their armor and some even inhabit their structures. It's entirely possible, if even probable, that not all dwemer knew what was going on or why the race vanished, and that they could still be in Tamriel and just not be known.
Course, I prefer the 'remnants' line, and think that an unlocked race would be a very fun addition. You could even write it into the lore that it was later proven that these weren't 'pure bloods' and thus weren't technically Dwemer any longer.
no that is a terrible idea. Like I said the disappearance is a mystery for a reason. If you have them walking around in the present, that mystery dies. Also why didn't these dwemer continue to live and propagate the species in the present?
People that are actually invested in the lore, the people who play ESO because it is a TES game, would be furious and rightfully so.
You make it sound as if I haven't played through each game, haven't read both fiction books as well as collectors editions guides and in-game lorebooks, and haven't spent quite a bit of time on various wiki's and other resources investing in The Elder Scrolls.
As far as the mystery of their departure, having remnant's of the race alive in THIS timeline, possibly sterile, doesn't mean we know why pure blood Dwemer disappeared. Mystery still present.
On an aside, one of these days they are going to resolve this mystery, and I'll predict there are going to be a LOT of unhappy lore fans. Not every lore fan, mind you. Just the ones that have made up their mind on how it SHOULD be.
I personally invest myself in a world run by others. I learned a long time ago not to put too much of my personal beliefs into someone else's world (thank you, George Lucus ... ***).
no, as I said, the last dwemer in morrowind couldn't even find any members of his race. It's not that you don't know the lore, it's just that you want to ruin the immersion and mystery surrounding the Dwemer.
I doubt they will ever resolve the mystery. Perhaps drop bits here and there but morrowind revealed quite a lot.
Putting them in the game would make them common. It would destroy what every other game has set with regards to precedence.
Ruze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.
He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Chimer and Dwemer would be lore breaking. They do not exist as of this time.
None of the others have ever been playable.
If we are going to vote for over the top races to play, though, I want to play a Sload.
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »Honestly, Akaviri or Dwemer. We're sitting on the cusp of their involvement in Tamriel (at least compared to many later games) and could easily handle them without completely destroying canon.
Dwemer are already gone, how would they be viable?
This game already has a good precedent of time traveling, and the nearness of the Dwemer event makes it more viable in my opinion.
Plus, there seems to be a precedent for 'not as extinct as we thought', with Kothringi, Snow Elves, Aldmeri, etc.
I don't think having an entire race that is just time traveling to the current time is anything but lore breaking.
And yes the dwemer are gone, even the last dwemer, who was on other planes when the disappearance happened, could not find his people. The whole thing is meant to be an unsolved mystery for a reason.
An entire race? No, not likely. A small handful of possibly several thousand 'exceptions'? Much more plausible.
I'm not talking about the whole society coming back. Simply player characters, which could be 'remnants' or 'left overs'. Maybe they are mix breeds. Maybe they were cut off. Etc.
The fact that it's an unsolved mystery means it's full of potential plot holes. Case in point, what do Dwemer even look like that would make them immediately distinguishable from other Mer? Would we see one and the NPC on the street immediately know it's a Dwemer?
Even in later generations, we walk around in their armor and some even inhabit their structures. It's entirely possible, if even probable, that not all dwemer knew what was going on or why the race vanished, and that they could still be in Tamriel and just not be known.
Course, I prefer the 'remnants' line, and think that an unlocked race would be a very fun addition. You could even write it into the lore that it was later proven that these weren't 'pure bloods' and thus weren't technically Dwemer any longer.
no that is a terrible idea. Like I said the disappearance is a mystery for a reason. If you have them walking around in the present, that mystery dies. Also why didn't these dwemer continue to live and propagate the species in the present?
People that are actually invested in the lore, the people who play ESO because it is a TES game, would be furious and rightfully so.
Malpherian wrote: »Actually it wouldn't be, According to the lore they are still around, albeit in different forms (Falmer), As far as the Dwemer go, They simply transferred themselves to another dimension/plane of existence according to the lore.
There is nothing to say they wouldn't come back at some point, and with time being what it is in the TES games, it's not at all unreasonable to think they could, because a hero from the future used an Elderscroll to go back in time and prevent them from "Plaining" or to save them from the war, same could be said of the snow elves.
So yea, it would easily be doable and lore friendly. And if you study the dwemer and the lore and story lines associated with them, it's not difficult to see that at some point they will return.
The question is not "If", simply "when".