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  • purple-magicb16_ESO
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    After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.

    It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.

    Tell me about it. That sucks! Guess I should've read first THEN payed...
    I don't comment here often but when I do, I get [snip]
  • kitsinni
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    After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.

    It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.

    Actually that was the one perk, aside from rings of mara, that WAS supposed to give you an advantage. Want to play on DC but want an Altmer because of the passives .. you can only do that with Explorer Pack. Being able to pick to play a class from a different alliance to get those passives is by defenition an advantage over the people who are limited to thier alliances races only.

    How is being able to pick a race that has differnt skills than people without it not an advantage or just vanity? If all the races had the same passives but looked different then that would be vanity.
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    Actually the Imperial Ed does give you an advantage over others.
    Imperial chars get 10% Luck bonus whereas no other chars get this.
    The fact that it's pretty much useless now is only because of bad design.
    Being First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.
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    Having a doggie would be nice, however, I am holding out for a kitty.
  • nerevarine1138
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    kitsinni wrote: »
    After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.

    It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.

    Actually that was the one perk, aside from rings of mara, that WAS supposed to give you an advantage. Want to play on DC but want an Altmer because of the passives .. you can only do that with Explorer Pack. Being able to pick to play a class from a different alliance to get those passives is by defenition an advantage over the people who are limited to thier alliances races only.

    How is being able to pick a race that has differnt skills than people without it not an advantage or just vanity? If all the races had the same passives but looked different then that would be vanity.

    Being able to play any race any alliance doesn't offer you an advantage. It offers you the chance to play as any alliance. You weren't locked out of playing an Altmer if you didn't pre-order. And every race has racial bonuses, so no race has a substantive advantage over others. They all have different strengths.
    Sindala wrote: »
    Actually the Imperial Ed does give you an advantage over others.
    Imperial chars get 10% Luck bonus whereas no other chars get this.
    The fact that it's pretty much useless now is only because of bad design.

    Source? I never saw a single word from ZO about Imperials getting some kind of luck bonus. Especially since there isn't a luck attribute in this game (that I'm aware of).
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  • kitsinni
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    kitsinni wrote: »
    After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.

    It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.

    Actually that was the one perk, aside from rings of mara, that WAS supposed to give you an advantage. Want to play on DC but want an Altmer because of the passives .. you can only do that with Explorer Pack. Being able to pick to play a class from a different alliance to get those passives is by defenition an advantage over the people who are limited to thier alliances races only.

    How is being able to pick a race that has differnt skills than people without it not an advantage or just vanity? If all the races had the same passives but looked different then that would be vanity.

    Being able to play any race any alliance doesn't offer you an advantage. It offers you the chance to play as any alliance. You weren't locked out of playing an Altmer if you didn't pre-order. And every race has racial bonuses, so no race has a substantive advantage over others. They all have different strengths.

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    So how is being able to pick anyone you want, when other without the EP can't .. not an advantage? Maybe it isn't an advantage you care about but it is still by defenition an advantage.

    If you want to have 3% reduced magicka costs and you are not DC how is it not an advantage to be able to pick Breton in the AD when everyone else in the AD does not have that option?

    Defenition of advantage a condition or circumstance that puts one in a favorable or superior position.

    Being able to choose from 9 or 10 with Imp, instead of three is a favorable or superior position.

    Just because it isn't one you care about doesn't mean it isn't an advantage .. that argument is just stupid. I know you pride yourself as being the rock in the shoe of everyone on the forum but your argument doesn't make any sense here.

    Go create an Imperial it states Luck right on the creation screen.
    Edited by kitsinni on July 18, 2014 3:25PM
  • demonlkojipub19_ESO
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    emeraldbay wrote: »
    There. Happy?

    You have something other people don't have. You can now rest easy in knowing that you've received a reward for all that work you put in. Take a victory lap. You've earned it.
    Actually, there are still copies of that floating around. You could apply the key inside to an account you made through Steam.

    There may be copies floating around, but ZO isn't making it officially available for purchase. So again, they gave you something they didn't give to Steam users. [snip]

    You seriously think that's what it's about? That someone else is getting something we are not? Wow. You managed to skim past pages of posts on multiple threads and still come up clueless as to what the actual gripe is. Congratulations. Let me break it down for you. We want to play on Steam. As it is now we cannot. We cannot even transfer our existing accounts to Steam. Does that clear it up for you? I really can't make it any more simple for you.

    Why?

    I mean, I'm honestly curious. As I stated on another thread, I've only seen people complain about Steam integration prior to this. Most people I know don't want a centralized system that can control their access to any game.

    Just think of facebook, and you'll have the answer.
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    Edited by ZOS_Icy on March 22, 2026 6:29PM
  • nerevarine1138
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    kitsinni wrote: »
    kitsinni wrote: »
    After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.

    It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.

    Actually that was the one perk, aside from rings of mara, that WAS supposed to give you an advantage. Want to play on DC but want an Altmer because of the passives .. you can only do that with Explorer Pack. Being able to pick to play a class from a different alliance to get those passives is by defenition an advantage over the people who are limited to thier alliances races only.

    How is being able to pick a race that has differnt skills than people without it not an advantage or just vanity? If all the races had the same passives but looked different then that would be vanity.

    Being able to play any race any alliance doesn't offer you an advantage. It offers you the chance to play as any alliance. You weren't locked out of playing an Altmer if you didn't pre-order. And every race has racial bonuses, so no race has a substantive advantage over others. They all have different strengths.

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    So how is being able to pick anyone you want, when other without the EP can't .. not an advantage? Maybe it isn't an advantage you care about but it is still by defenition an advantage.

    If you want to have 3% reduced magicka costs and you are not DC how is it not an advantage to be able to pick Breton in the AD when everyone else in the AD does not have that option?

    Defenition of advantage a condition or circumstance that puts one in a favorable or superior position.

    Being able to choose from 9 or 10 with Imp, instead of three is a favorable or superior position.

    Just because it isn't one you care about doesn't mean it isn't an advantage .. that argument is just stupid. I know you pride yourself as being the rock in the shoe of everyone on the forum but your argument doesn't make any sense here.

    Go create an Imperial it states Luck right on the creation screen.

    By that same logic, if I want to get increased crit rating, then I gain an advantage over other AD players by picking Khajiit.

    Unless you have an completely insurmountable combination of racial and alliance biases, you can't possibly claim that being able to play in a different alliance offers you an advantage over other players. Every player of a different race has their own racial abilities with their own advantages. Your abilities suit your playstyles, their abilities suit theirs. You are not going to be able to beat someone in a one-on-one fight simply because you were able to create an Altmer character in the DC.
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  • Attorneyatlawl
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    I'd also like to add that, as an Explorer's Pack owner, I believe said pack should be made available to all subscribers.

    Like the dog.

    NO, considering it (Explorer pack any race thing) impacts gameplay due to racial passives, and faction identity in pvp, it should not. It was a mistake to ever allow in the first place, probably.

    And who cares about a promotional vanity pet this much, seriously? It doesn't affect anything at all for gameplay. Get over it, not everyone get everything in life or an mmo game.
    Edited by Attorneyatlawl on July 18, 2014 4:08PM
    -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
    Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!

    -Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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  • Attorneyatlawl
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    After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.

    It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.

    Wrong. It gave any race any faction, a decisive gameplay impact for organized play at launch.
    -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
    Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!

    -Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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    -In-game mains abound with "Nerf" in their name. As I am asked occasionally, I do not play on anything but the PC NA Megaserver at this time.
  • TeraAngelos
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    I'd also like to add that, as an Explorer's Pack owner, I believe said pack should be made available to all subscribers.

    Like the dog.

    NO, considering it (Explorer pack any race thing) impacts gameplay due to racial passives, and faction identity in pvp, it should not. It was a mistake to ever allow in the first place, probably.

    Given that it impacts gameplay, and currently is available to some (there's no way to take that out now), I think that's just the reason it SHOULD be made available to all subscribers. While I can understand the argument that vanity pets have no problem being made exclusive, something that actually affects gameplay shouldn't be.
  • nerevarine1138
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    After all was said & done, I really wasn't that impressed with the Explorer's pack.it really didn't give me the advantage I thought it would.

    It wasn't supposed to give you an advantage. None of the bonus content gives you an advantage. It gives you access to vanity perks. That's it.

    Wrong. It gave any race any faction, a decisive gameplay impact for organized play at launch.

    In. What. Way?

    My playing an Argonian in the AD has no effect whatsoever on anyone else's gameplay. I am not going to level faster, kill things more effectively, or be better at PvP.
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  • emeraldbay
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    ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

    Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.
  • nerevarine1138
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    emeraldbay wrote: »
    ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

    Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.

    Example, please.

    I'd like to hear how having a handful of Dunmer on your team in AD will give you an advantage over another group.
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  • Snit
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    Why are people mystified that different people find different things important?
    Snit AD Sorc
    Ratbag AD Warden Tank
    Goblins AD Stamblade

  • LtCrunch
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    Xnemesis wrote: »
    emeraldbay wrote: »
    There. Happy?

    You have something other people don't have. You can now rest easy in knowing that you've received a reward for all that work you put in. Take a victory lap. You've earned it.
    Actually, there are still copies of that floating around. You could apply the key inside to an account you made through Steam.

    There may be copies floating around, but ZO isn't making it officially available for purchase. So again, they gave you something they didn't give to Steam users. [snip]

    You seriously think that's what it's about? That someone else is getting something we are not? Wow. You managed to skim past pages of posts on multiple threads and still come up clueless as to what the actual gripe is. Congratulations. Let me break it down for you. We want to play on Steam. As it is now we cannot. We cannot even transfer our existing accounts to Steam. Does that clear it up for you? I really can't make it any more simple for you.

    yes you can you can add it as a non steam game just like any other non steam game

    Does that give us access to Steam trading cards? No? How about Steam guides through the in-game overlay? No? Huh seems like it's not quite the same then ;)
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    Edited by ZOS_Icy on March 22, 2026 6:30PM
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  • nerevarine1138
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    Snit wrote: »
    Why are people mystified that different people find different things important?

    I'm mystified by people blowing up the forums over a dog.

    I love me some vanity pets; don't get me wrong. The more, the merrier. But this has to be the most inconsequential debate I could ever imagine having. It's a dog. It's going to pant and bark, and everyone will forget that this happened in a week.
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  • LtCrunch
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    Snit wrote: »
    Why are people mystified that different people find different things important?

    I'm mystified by people blowing up the forums over a dog.

    I love me some vanity pets; don't get me wrong. The more, the merrier. But this has to be the most inconsequential debate I could ever imagine having. It's a dog. It's going to pant and bark, and everyone will forget that this happened in a week.

    For most its much more than the dog. It's not a deal breaker or anything like that but not giving early adopters and avid supporters of the game an option to transfer their version of the game over to Steam for some of the perks(trading cards) is kind of giving the bird to those of us that would have preferred a Steam release from the beginning.
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  • emeraldbay
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    emeraldbay wrote: »
    ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

    Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.

    Example, please.

    I'd like to hear how having a handful of Dunmer on your team in AD will give you an advantage over another group.
    Kind of a stretch, but bear with me here.

    Let's say you have a group of Aldmeri Dominion vampires. You know they're weak to fire, so you hit them with a bunch of fire spells, but they don't seem to be doing as much damage as they should. You look closer, and realize...all of those vampires are Dunmer, giving them an additional 15% increase in flame resistance, on top of any flame / magicka resist enchantments they may have.

    Sure, I never said it was anything that would turn the tides of battle, but it allows for more flexible grouping and more dynamic sieges. It's an advantage that should be recognized, even though it's small.
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    emeraldbay wrote: »
    emeraldbay wrote: »
    ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

    Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.

    Example, please.

    I'd like to hear how having a handful of Dunmer on your team in AD will give you an advantage over another group.
    Kind of a stretch, but bear with me here.

    Let's say you have a group of Aldmeri Dominion vampires. You know they're weak to fire, so you hit them with a bunch of fire spells, but they don't seem to be doing as much damage as they should. You look closer, and realize...all of those vampires are Dunmer, giving them an additional 15% increase in flame resistance, on top of any flame / magicka resist enchantments they may have.

    Sure, I never said it was anything that would turn the tides of battle, but it allows for more flexible grouping and more dynamic sieges. It's an advantage that should be recognized, even though it's small.

    Ok.

    And this isn't a problem when you're facing an EP force because...?

    I'm drawing a blank here.
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  • emeraldbay
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    emeraldbay wrote: »
    emeraldbay wrote: »
    ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

    Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.

    Example, please.

    I'd like to hear how having a handful of Dunmer on your team in AD will give you an advantage over another group.
    Kind of a stretch, but bear with me here.

    Let's say you have a group of Aldmeri Dominion vampires. You know they're weak to fire, so you hit them with a bunch of fire spells, but they don't seem to be doing as much damage as they should. You look closer, and realize...all of those vampires are Dunmer, giving them an additional 15% increase in flame resistance, on top of any flame / magicka resist enchantments they may have.

    Sure, I never said it was anything that would turn the tides of battle, but it allows for more flexible grouping and more dynamic sieges. It's an advantage that should be recognized, even though it's small.

    Ok.

    And this isn't a problem when you're facing an EP force because...?

    I'm drawing a blank here.
    I'm missing the part where I said this advantage was a problem in the first place. I'm simply trying to quell the argument that being able to play any race in any alliance is purely cosmetic, when it actually does give a small advantage.
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    emeraldbay wrote: »
    emeraldbay wrote: »
    emeraldbay wrote: »
    ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

    Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.

    Example, please.

    I'd like to hear how having a handful of Dunmer on your team in AD will give you an advantage over another group.
    Kind of a stretch, but bear with me here.

    Let's say you have a group of Aldmeri Dominion vampires. You know they're weak to fire, so you hit them with a bunch of fire spells, but they don't seem to be doing as much damage as they should. You look closer, and realize...all of those vampires are Dunmer, giving them an additional 15% increase in flame resistance, on top of any flame / magicka resist enchantments they may have.

    Sure, I never said it was anything that would turn the tides of battle, but it allows for more flexible grouping and more dynamic sieges. It's an advantage that should be recognized, even though it's small.

    Ok.

    And this isn't a problem when you're facing an EP force because...?

    I'm drawing a blank here.
    I'm missing the part where I said this advantage was a problem in the first place. I'm simply trying to quell the argument that being able to play any race in any alliance is purely cosmetic, when it actually does give a small advantage.

    But you've failed to explain how.

    Every race has an advantage over every other race in specific areas of gameplay. The Explorer's Pack has no effect on that.
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  • emeraldbay
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    emeraldbay wrote: »
    emeraldbay wrote: »
    emeraldbay wrote: »
    ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

    Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.

    Example, please.

    I'd like to hear how having a handful of Dunmer on your team in AD will give you an advantage over another group.
    Kind of a stretch, but bear with me here.

    Let's say you have a group of Aldmeri Dominion vampires. You know they're weak to fire, so you hit them with a bunch of fire spells, but they don't seem to be doing as much damage as they should. You look closer, and realize...all of those vampires are Dunmer, giving them an additional 15% increase in flame resistance, on top of any flame / magicka resist enchantments they may have.

    Sure, I never said it was anything that would turn the tides of battle, but it allows for more flexible grouping and more dynamic sieges. It's an advantage that should be recognized, even though it's small.

    Ok.

    And this isn't a problem when you're facing an EP force because...?

    I'm drawing a blank here.
    I'm missing the part where I said this advantage was a problem in the first place. I'm simply trying to quell the argument that being able to play any race in any alliance is purely cosmetic, when it actually does give a small advantage.

    But you've failed to explain how.

    Every race has an advantage over every other race in specific areas of gameplay. The Explorer's Pack has no effect on that.
    But that's just it. Using Ebonheart Pact races to fight against the Pact means that strategies that exposed weaknesses in Dominion soldiers won't work.

    Each race has an advantage over another, as you said, and that's what balances PvP. Get a group of all the races working on the same side, and you've got a group that, theoretically, can take down any non-Explorer's Pack group, because they have an advantage against everyone in one way or another.
  • nerevarine1138
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    emeraldbay wrote: »
    emeraldbay wrote: »
    emeraldbay wrote: »
    emeraldbay wrote: »
    ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

    Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.

    Example, please.

    I'd like to hear how having a handful of Dunmer on your team in AD will give you an advantage over another group.
    Kind of a stretch, but bear with me here.

    Let's say you have a group of Aldmeri Dominion vampires. You know they're weak to fire, so you hit them with a bunch of fire spells, but they don't seem to be doing as much damage as they should. You look closer, and realize...all of those vampires are Dunmer, giving them an additional 15% increase in flame resistance, on top of any flame / magicka resist enchantments they may have.

    Sure, I never said it was anything that would turn the tides of battle, but it allows for more flexible grouping and more dynamic sieges. It's an advantage that should be recognized, even though it's small.

    Ok.

    And this isn't a problem when you're facing an EP force because...?

    I'm drawing a blank here.
    I'm missing the part where I said this advantage was a problem in the first place. I'm simply trying to quell the argument that being able to play any race in any alliance is purely cosmetic, when it actually does give a small advantage.

    But you've failed to explain how.

    Every race has an advantage over every other race in specific areas of gameplay. The Explorer's Pack has no effect on that.
    But that's just it. Using Ebonheart Pact races to fight against the Pact means that strategies that exposed weaknesses in Dominion soldiers won't work.

    Each race has an advantage over another, as you said, and that's what balances PvP. Get a group of all the races working on the same side, and you've got a group that, theoretically, can take down any non-Explorer's Pack group, because they have an advantage against everyone in one way or another.

    But every faction has people with the Explorer's Pack. So again, I have to ask: where is the advantage? And more importantly, where is the advantage to the individual player? I have yet to hear of concerted efforts to get different racial groups together to exploit some kind of perceived imbalance.
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  • Xnemesis
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    if you want to play on steam go ahead and buy it then log in with your info. All you lose out on is the free 30 days and the dog which you can get a dif version probably in a future patch.
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    There. Happy?

    You have something other people don't have. You can now rest easy in knowing that you've received a reward for all that work you put in. Take a victory lap. You've earned it.

    They came after , so that is fair , same could be said about the beta monkey to tons of players here.

    The point is , if you are here since before and they start to lock you out of the new stuff , then we have an issue.

    I wont complain about things that came before i joined a MMO , not much i can do about it , people that were there first got it , makes sense.

    Now , being a loyal customer since 5 days before the launch and getting *** over , that i wont take well.
    Edited by Nox_Aeterna on July 18, 2014 4:39PM
    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
    -Hanlon's razor
  • emeraldbay
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    emeraldbay wrote: »
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    ON THE ANY RACE / ANY FACTION DEBATE

    Each faction has three races. This means that their racial passives have a sort of natural synergy with each other, which is a good way to balance it out. Introduce other races, you get more builds and play styles, which doesn't alter PvE much, but can turn tides a bit in PvP. It's an advantage, however small, and it should be recognized as such.

    Example, please.

    I'd like to hear how having a handful of Dunmer on your team in AD will give you an advantage over another group.
    Kind of a stretch, but bear with me here.

    Let's say you have a group of Aldmeri Dominion vampires. You know they're weak to fire, so you hit them with a bunch of fire spells, but they don't seem to be doing as much damage as they should. You look closer, and realize...all of those vampires are Dunmer, giving them an additional 15% increase in flame resistance, on top of any flame / magicka resist enchantments they may have.

    Sure, I never said it was anything that would turn the tides of battle, but it allows for more flexible grouping and more dynamic sieges. It's an advantage that should be recognized, even though it's small.

    Ok.

    And this isn't a problem when you're facing an EP force because...?

    I'm drawing a blank here.
    I'm missing the part where I said this advantage was a problem in the first place. I'm simply trying to quell the argument that being able to play any race in any alliance is purely cosmetic, when it actually does give a small advantage.

    But you've failed to explain how.

    Every race has an advantage over every other race in specific areas of gameplay. The Explorer's Pack has no effect on that.
    But that's just it. Using Ebonheart Pact races to fight against the Pact means that strategies that exposed weaknesses in Dominion soldiers won't work.

    Each race has an advantage over another, as you said, and that's what balances PvP. Get a group of all the races working on the same side, and you've got a group that, theoretically, can take down any non-Explorer's Pack group, because they have an advantage against everyone in one way or another.

    But every faction has people with the Explorer's Pack. So again, I have to ask: where is the advantage? And more importantly, where is the advantage to the individual player? I have yet to hear of concerted efforts to get different racial groups together to exploit some kind of perceived imbalance.
    It isn't about imbalance, it's the fact that it allows this kind of thing that makes it an advantage.

    I never said it was bad, or made things imbalanced, or implied that other factions didn't have access to it. I'm saying that people who don't have this perk won't be able to use this advantage, as small as it may be. Not important to me personally, but it's important to some.
  • Mr.Turtlesworth
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    I would soooooo much rather have the dog
    I r robot
    hear me roar
  • kitsinni
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    If you want extra weapon crit rating playing a Khajit absolutely gives you an advantage over races without extra crit rating and that advantage is .. wait for it .. drumroll .. you get more crit rating.

    This is pretty damn basic if the EP gives you the option to choose from 9 races and not having it gives you the oportunity to choose from 3 that is by defenition an advantage.

    If you can't see how the racials give you an advantage you simply don't undestand how the game works.

    Say I'm going to play a DW Medium armor NB focused on crit and sneak who would have the advantage here a

    Khajit with
    ■Medium Armor Expertise (1 rank) - Increases experience gain with the Medium Armor skill line by 15%.
    ■Robust (3 ranks) - Increases Health regeneration while in combat by (5/10/15)%.
    ■Stealthy (3 ranks) – Improve Stealth radius by (1/2/3) meters. Increases damage done while stealthed by (3/6/9)%.
    ■Carnage (3 ranks) – Increases Critical rating for melee attacks by (2/4/6)%

    Or a Nord with
    ■Two-Handed Weapon Expertise (1 rank) - Increases experience gain with the Two-Handed Weapon skill line by 15%.
    ■Robust (3 ranks) - Increases Health regeneration while in combat by (5/10/15)%.
    ■Resist Frost (3 ranks) – Increases Cold resistance by (10/20/30). Increases maximum Health by (1/2/3)%.
    ■Rugged (3 ranks) - Increases Armor rating by (2/4/6).

    Wait no they are exaclty the same right? No advantage at all.
  • epoling
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    SOE has been giving away free in-game items to those who go to Fan Faire (now SOE live) for years. I have never seen the amount of howling and screaming over that. It is just how the world works. Companies from time to time give out special little things to get people to try their products without giving it out retroactively to everybody else who as ever bought their product. If you don't like it, move to a different world where everything works to always allow you to get what you want. Sorry that Earth doesn't work that way.
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