Whats wrong with gamers today??

Xnemesis

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Xnemesis wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

The problem is not the pet.

The problem is that they decided to give stuff to new players that paid the same exact thing 4 months later , while locking things from players that having been here since the start.

The ONLY reason i did not unsub after the first month , is because i did not want to lose things , being a subscriber i thought i would be able to pick any limited edt thing that came along ingame.

Which was not the case , clearly here i will lose stuff anyway , so there is now NO REASON to remain loyal to this game and subcribe while they fix the huge amount of issues.

umm dogs will become available eventually just not that one, and if you have been here since day one enjoy the fact that you can play any race in any alliance while the new customers cant. You cant have everything friend it just doesn't work like that.

And my point is the same.

0 reason whatsoever to keep paying for this game and stay a loyal customer if i think the bugs and issues are a problem.

I dont care if there will be other dogs , i want ALL dogs to be available even i would not get them all. That simple.

This kind of pratice is what made my unsub from other games before, i can understand if GW2 did it , which they did not , but from a company that expecs me to keep paying month after month this was one stupid move.

cool when you quit can you send me ur stuff

ers101284b14_ESO

I'm glad I don't get that dog. It's ugly as crap and would just take up space.

emeraldbay

Honestly, I see it like this.

Let's take the option to hide pauldrons (the shoulder flappy things) as an example. People have been asking for that for quite a while. It doesn't do anything but change your look, but it's a welcomed change for the people who turn it on. Well, let's say, 3 months after release, Zenimax goes and releases ESO on Steam. Not so bad, right? Except there's a special offer...those who buy the game through steam will have the option to hide their character's pauldrons.

The long-time players have wanted this since the beginning, but yet, instead of giving it to those players, they decide to give it only to the newbies through Steam. What a slap in the face, right?

See, it's not just about the dog. It's about the fact that they took something that we've wanted since day one and given it to someone else.

Just a quote from a previous post, perhaps it would help people understand where those who are upset are coming from.

Phinix1

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Many players 'play' mmos these days, not to actually play the game per se, but to show off in some form or another their own superiority/worth through the 'leetness' of their character/s.

It's become a judgmental/shallow social forum of sorts. It's less about community and more about competition. It's very sad.

OMG so much so THIS.

I was organizing for a world boss in chat yesterday, and we had three people there waiting on a fourth. I was /say talking to everyone, and explained the 4th was just around the corner and would join us shortly, but Mr. Fappy Mc. Selfish just rushes in and starts wailing away, spamming his ultimate, just going to town with the "look at me, I'm so heroic!"

So, the rest of us stood there and watched him die. Serves him right! XD

ebondeath

Great, you don't want the dog.
So why do you care if some of us do?
There is not a damn thing wrong with me for wanting the option to BUY the same dog as a stand-alone that I have no problem with new people getting for free. Thanks for your concern though.

Phinix1

The WORST thing is that STUPID EFING MONKEY!

People standing in the bank in some position that makes their pathing AI freak out and twitch maddeningly spamming that obnoxious screech, just to tick other people off. I want to reach through my screen and strangle them (the owner AND the monkey).

Good thing I have the Audio Control addon to just hit a button and silence that insanity. But man, I wish ZOS had NEVER put that garbage in the game.

Phantax

AreoHotah wrote: »

All this fuss, virtual war and anger for a wolf pet!! A WOLF PET!?!?!? I probably don't understand all of this because ESO is my 1st MMO and i'm not really an elitist. But still imo the 2014 gamer is exagerating.

I'm only guessing here but... maybe something to do with spending £100 for the Imp Edition, another £45 for subs (so far), putting up with all the bots, glitches, game breaking faults (and all the other negative things) Only to be told that somebody else will get better pets, for half of what we paid and they don't get any of the hassle !
So much for customer loyalty, Damn I'd have been less p****d if they'd just said "We're selling it on STEAM and giving them a cool pet so FU"
Seriously though, it's not just about the pet, its how they have shown very little concern for those fans (myself included) that have stayed with and supported the game since launch !

GreySix

AreoHotah wrote: »

All this fuss, virtual war and anger for a wolf pet!! A WOLF PET!?!?!? I probably don't understand all of this because ESO is my 1st MMO and i'm not really an elitist. But still imo the 2014 gamer is exagerating.

Online forums allow for complaints, as wasn't the case not so long ago.

For example, in 1993 I had some complaints in regard to Final Fantasy II on the SNES. But I knew of no online forums at that time for FF games wherein I could air grievances.

nerevarine1138

GreySix wrote: »

AreoHotah wrote: »

All this fuss, virtual war and anger for a wolf pet!! A WOLF PET!?!?!? I probably don't understand all of this because ESO is my 1st MMO and i'm not really an elitist. But still imo the 2014 gamer is exagerating.

Online forums allow for complaints, as wasn't the case not so long ago.

For example, in 1993 I had some complaints in regard to Final Fantasy II on the SNES. But I knew of no online forums at that time for FF games wherein I could air grievances.

And you know what? I think I was happier with games in those days. Because there wasn't a giant online tumor of a forum filled with people looking to complain about things in order to get the developers to make "their" game.

Don't like a game? Don't play it.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

AreoHotah wrote: »

All this fuss, virtual war and anger for a wolf pet!! A WOLF PET!?!?!? I probably don't understand all of this because ESO is my 1st MMO and i'm not really an elitist. But still imo the 2014 gamer is exagerating.

Amen. I thought was alone.
Played UO, DAOC from 1997 to 2012 no such things there. And none complained about it either.

GreySix

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

AreoHotah wrote: »

All this fuss, virtual war and anger for a wolf pet!! A WOLF PET!?!?!? I probably don't understand all of this because ESO is my 1st MMO and i'm not really an elitist. But still imo the 2014 gamer is exagerating.

Online forums allow for complaints, as wasn't the case not so long ago.

For example, in 1993 I had some complaints in regard to Final Fantasy II on the SNES. But I knew of no online forums at that time for FF games wherein I could air grievances.

And you know what? I think I was happier with games in those days. Because there wasn't a giant online tumor of a forum filled with people looking to complain about things in order to get the developers to make "their" game.

Don't like a game? Don't play it.

Meh, it's part of the reason these forums exist. I find much of the commentary entertaining.

Would liked to have seen forum comments back then ... could see it now:

"WTH is with Kefka and that stupid clown suit???"

zhevon

Falmer wrote: »

Trust me it still is not MOST gamers. Pretty sure the bulk of gamers out there don't care about the pet one way or another. However, there is a very loud and vocal segment of gamers that have been raised and brainwashed with the entitlement mentality. The whole idea that someone else has something they don't just gnaws on their thoughts.

Please don't ever mistake forum complaints as the bulk of gamers. They seriously are like .01 % of the gaming population and they are the most vocal and opinionated segment.

Sort of agree...

I am ambivalent about the issues - steam crap and especially the vanity pet. It feels like ZoS is sticking a thumb in the eye of current paying customers.

The dog is fixable - not entirely sure why they didn't have a backup plan in place to do this; the steam issue isn't easily fixable. Say ZoS says to current customers you can buy a single steam key at a really cheap price (or free) - so the market is now flooded with stray steam keys. That would happen; and it would be bad for a number of reasons.

Elad13

Speaking has a lifetime gamer...I owed pong. I can tell you what's wrong.
1. We have much more voice and places to share opinions.
2. There is much more promotion of games...so hype is built up to give some expectations.
3. We have played alot more games so have much more to compare to.
4. We pay more money for games...so it's tied with value.
5. We accept and even support the gaming industry and their misconceptions. (Like delayed release dates...like bugs...and like fixing bugs that shouldn't have been in the game is some glorious accomplishment)
6. We expect to be heard and our views listened to.
7. We become passionate and connected to our games.
8. We share friendships based off of similiar gamers to share our time with.

All of these things and many more are reasons you can say "what's wrong with gamers today" it is afterall your opinion...back in the day you really had nowhere to mass publish your thoughts.

Delith

It's almost like you haven't even read why people are upset, and are just being a reductionist and dishonest ass to get attention.

Huh. I wonder.

GreySix

Remember how terrible the AT-ATs looked on the Atari 2600 game?

ebondeath

Delith wrote: »

It's almost like you haven't even read why people are upset, and are just being a reductionist and dishonest ass to get attention.

Huh. I wonder.

Well shoot. Now I may just buy the second Steam account just so I can agree with this more than once.

ers101284b14_ESO

I agree with Elad about almost everything except price. Games are not that much more than they where in the 80's and 90's. The only difference is now we actually have to pay instead of begging our parent's to buy it.

Elad13

GreySix wrote: »

Remember how terrible the AT-ATs looked on the Atari 2600 game?

I always thought it was cool that enduro changed from night to day....lol.
Pitfall was way ahead of its time for graphics.


Has far as prices I disagree...I was buying new Sega genesis games for $30....I bought teso for $100.

ers101284b14_ESO

Elad13 wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Remember how terrible the AT-ATs looked on the Atari 2600 game?

I always thought it was cool that enduro changed from night to day....lol.
Pitfall was way ahead of its time for graphics.


Has far as prices I disagree...I was buying new Sega genesis games for $30....I bought teso for $100.

You bought the Hard copy for $100 to get the statue and extra crap which isn't new. The game is $60-$80. I remember getting Mortal Kombat 2 with money I got from my birthday. It was on sale at the time for $50 brand new. You where probably getting games that had been out a while and already dropped in price.

GreySix

Elad13 wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Remember how terrible the AT-ATs looked on the Atari 2600 game?

I always thought it was cool that enduro changed from night to day....lol.
Pitfall was way ahead of its time for graphics.


Has far as prices I disagree...I was buying new Sega genesis games for $30....I bought teso for $100.

Pitfall. Yeah, remember seeing that in Radio Shack on TRS-80s.

Paid only $45 for my wife's and my copies of ESO respectively, through GMG. Got the Explorer's Pack and 3-day early access.

Elad13

No on both accounts. I paid 69.99 + 20 for imperial + tax. I believe steam doesn't charge taxes.
I was buying new releases for $29.99 (genisis)some games were a little more. I bought atari games for $19.99 new. It wasn't until play station 1 came out that standard pricing started hitting $40+ consistently.
I bought phantasy star online(xbox) new for $29.99 + subscription.
I remember some mech game with awesome controller being a little over $150 and people on the fence if it was worth that much.

GreySix

Early adopters in today's games - especially MMOs - nearly always serve as extended beta testers, and pay more for the privilege.

Robotukas

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Xnemesis wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

The problem is not the pet.

The problem is that they decided to give stuff to new players that paid the same exact thing 4 months later , while locking things from players that having been here since the start.

The ONLY reason i did not unsub after the first month , is because i did not want to lose things , being a subscriber i thought i would be able to pick any limited edt thing that came along ingame.

Which was not the case , clearly here i will lose stuff anyway , so there is now NO REASON to remain loyal to this game and subcribe while they fix the huge amount of issues.

umm dogs will become available eventually just not that one, and if you have been here since day one enjoy the fact that you can play any race in any alliance while the new customers cant. You cant have everything friend it just doesn't work like that.

And my point is the same.

0 reason whatsoever to keep paying for this game and stay a loyal customer if i think the bugs and issues are a problem.

I dont care if there will be other dogs , i want ALL dogs to be available even i would not get them all. That simple.

This kind of pratice is what made my unsub from other games before, i can understand if GW2 did it , which they did not , but from a company that expects me to keep paying month after month this was one stupid move.

Guild Wars 2 it deserves to have subscription, but not ESO which they remake game from previous titles. I made huge mistake that I pre - ordered game. From steam I would get everything with half price and plus a pet. Also a lot bug fixed until steam realise. And who helped to fix bug? We helped. What we get from time (since April) we played? I think one title I could put on myself = Stupid player - for being with Zenimax.

ers101284b14_ESO

Elad13 wrote: »

No on both accounts. I paid 69.99 + 20 for imperial + tax. I believe steam doesn't charge taxes.
I was buying new releases for $29.99 (genisis)some games were a little more. I bought atari games for $19.99 new. It wasn't until play station 1 came out that standard pricing started hitting $40+ consistently.
I bought phantasy star online(xbox) new for $29.99 + subscription.
I remember some mech game with awesome controller being a little over $150 and people on the fence if it was worth that much.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/10/an-inconvenient-truth-game-prices-have-come-down-with-time/

http://kotaku.com/36-years-of-console-prices-adjusted-for-inflation-1485353267

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/15/the-real-cost-of-gaming-inflation-time-and-purchasing-power

http://www.1up.com/news/90s-game-price-comparison-charticle

again you where not buying AAA titles for that at release.

Elad13

I can't promise I will stop playing teso...but I can promise never to buy a zenimax game at launch again

NewBlacksmurf

Nothing is wrong and nothing has changed.

Now the Internet forums and social media have finally given customers a voice. Voices and opinions that are unfiltered.

Today you're seeing what was hidden behind filters and marketing campaigns.

Nothing's is wrong but perhaps the reality of people is just as scary to you as it was to companies who fight to silence the voices and opinions of others.

nerevarine1138

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nothing is wrong and nothing has changed.

Now the Internet forums and social media have finally given customers a voice. Voices and opinions that are unfiltered.

Today you're seeing what was hidden behind filters and marketing campaigns.

Nothing's is wrong but perhaps the reality of people is just as scary to you as it was to companies who fight to silence the voices and opinions of others.

Oh please.

I'd love to see the forums for Sonic the Hedgehog:

"OMG, nerf Caterkillers!"
"Why are Steam users getting a Tails vanity pet?!"
"6 hours to get all the emeralds, and now I die on the final boss?! I want a refund!"

See, back in the day, we didn't whine about these things. We actually enjoyed playing games.

Mescalamba

Hm..

..I think simple explanation is "spoiled kids". Even tho some of these "kids" are actually of adult age.

Otherwise everything is same as it always was. People are selfish creatures, and currently those most loud want some pet.

Just give em pet, so they can stuff it down their throats and finally shut up.

Azzuria

I was sooo pissed when, through miscommunication, I lost all three of my pre-order, beta and IE pets the first day of head-start. It tore me up when customer service said they wouldn't be able to get them back to me!

Then, three and a half months later, I sent another ticket in about the pets and got all three of them back in about an hour.

Ya know what? It's all just kinda 'meh'. For something that I thought was SOOO important three months ago, in hindsight it's all just fluff.

Aortick

In the late 80's, Spanking your kids became unacceptable. "Talking" to your kids became the new way of Parenting. Thing is, no one ever explained "How" to talk to your kids. "Time Out " became the new thing with a "Don't do that". So children would Whine and Whine and say "I want this" or "I want that" and parents would either cave in or "Talk" to them and explain Adult concepts to a 5 years old (Their Brains can't grasp Adult Concepts at 5 years old). So Kids learned that the Louder the Whining, the chances of getting what they wanted increased. Fast Forward to today.........Lots of Loud Whining. Now prior to the late 80's Parents would just Pop them in the back of the Head and say "Shut Up". There was less Whining then.