Bats, bats, bats - the legendary shido Batman etc.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

I've been debating going vampire, simply because of the increased sneak speed. Right now, as a werewolf, I am just walking around with a weakness to fighter's guild skills.

Vamps are so ugly though. :?.

Tintinabula

It amazes me I was a vamp all this time and never discovered I could use skills while being utargettable for 6 seconds.

Not until a templar Vamp owned me 1v1 did I know. I thought it was OP on the receiving end and yes, I still think its OP. For 6 seconds not only am I doing damage with batswarm but I'm moving the damage where I please (unless chained with synergies) AND I'm doing damage with other spells AND you cant target me??!! o.O

Someone mentioned its not a channeled ability therefore you can use other skills while it is active. I think this needs to change. Make it a mentally channeled spell so you can still move with it but definitely not use other skills.

signed , a DK Vamp.

krim

You can talons someone in clouding swarm.

Tintinabula

As far as I know (not for sure) incoming damage is greatly mitigated while invisible too! It just gets more and more absurd.

Prospero_ESO

The only thing they should do is tone down is bat swarm and it´s morphs. This is really the most ridiculous ability i´ve ever seen. Massive AoE, highly mobile and with clouding swarm you can not target the player. But there is more stupidness, in big fights there are so many effects going on, that sometimes you don´t even see the bat´s flying around, so you hear the sound ok but where to dodge ? I would be OK with Vamps in general (despite the fact that they are borderline OP alone through their regens) but this bat swarm madness Zenimax caused destroys variety in pvp because how it is now, it is simply too effective and too lucrative than not to be a Vamp. And the drawbacks, with pushed fire resistance there is not enough risk compared to the reward. This is imo the no 1 unbalanced ability in ESO. I´ve been a vampire a long time, then cured myself to see the difference, after that i unsubbed until Zenimax shows some kind of balancing. PvP in ESO is simplified in a matter no game should be. You need about 5 abilities in big fights:

Barrier
Clouding Swarm
Dark Talons
Std. of Might
Elemental Ring

That´s it. There is no class variety needed, nothing. This is what is killing PvP in ESO, it´s simply boring.

Ethyem

Sure, you don't need Horn, Rapid maneuver, Caltrops, Purge, Runes, Immovable, Combat prayer, Healing springs, both Orbs, Negate, Lightning flood, no Breath of life or Repentance (this two are really useless), no Novas, Sap essences.
Why would anyone use all this crap in big fights when you got impulse?

On topic - yeah, impulse raids become a lot more dangerous when they have some bat swarms whirling in them but still not that much of a threat, especially such a threat to make a post with some guy's name in it.

SBR_QuorTek

Think it is people only being able to use one way that start to whine about this and that... maybe you guys should quit your destro staffs or something.

Most of this that i read through is a farce... lol

Anyhow... so it seem like there is ways to deal with the zerg trains... is that not what we was looking for?

Just maybe keep the current thing for a while... to get a new set of rotations put into PvP... and no I am not a vampire and never will be one... hate vampires even though this one apparently is my current emperor lol.

On note, putting on peoples names on the forums is not allowed.

DontBeAfraid

SBR_QuorTek wrote: »

. maybe you guys should quit your destro staffs or something.

i tried! the last 2 days i did nothing else but trying to replace impulse.
im a dk and i have NO access to any spell which is at least even almost as effective.

there just is NO spell that allows me to replace destrostaff für anything else.
i just lost LOADS of strengh.


so sorry - firestaff it is.

Baphomet

They should at least reduce the bat swarm radius to 8m to bring it into line with all other ultimates and AoE. It's currently 10m and moveable!

GaldorP

Clouding Swam is currently too strong. A good part of the PvP is centered around this single ultimate again. It's like a moving, higher dps version of the standard which makes the user basically invincible to anything but already overpowered AoE abilties (Dark Talons, Impulse, Volatile Familiar, Sap Essence, Dragonknight Standard and other Clouding Swarms, of course) and siege weapons. Negate can negate it, yes, but only having one ultimate of a single class or a group of people spamming other overpowered AoE skills to counter what is otherwise a free AP farming combo seems a bit off-balanced to me.

JLB

aksyong wrote: »

People who think that vamps are OP should try being a vamp and take a shot from Oil Pots or Firepot Trebs and try calling them OP again.

Wait, you mean there are still Humans in Cyrodiil?

Halrloprillalar

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Recently switched back to vampire. I've seen plenty of people roll out of my banners. I can use Invasion or just run to keep you in my bats.

unless i'm also in bats or mist form

Morticielle

BEZDNA wrote: »

I have only one simple suggestion: change CLOUDING SWARM skill in such a way, so you can't use other skills while you are invisible. in my opinion it's the best thing ZoS can make to solve overpopulation of vampiers in pvp.

First, I'm not a vampire and I have to fight bat swarmers every day.

Many people are pissed at vampires because those people don't know how to play against bat swarm spammers. I find it not very hard to go out of their way and when they come out of the bat swarm kill them with Soul Assault.

How can you do this?

1. Watch your surroundings - constantly! Those bat swarm spammers usually will come from behind or the sides, they will come out of buildings at resources and so on. Don't fixate on the enemies in plain view directly in front of you. Always look around. And position yourself in a way, that you have always at least one good escape route and you are far away from the most likely direction the bat swarm spammers will attack you from.
2. React fast! If you fail to react fast because you wan't to kill your target which is nearly dead or any other dumb reason - you'll be dead.
3. Move away in the opposite direction the bat swarm spammers are coming from. But if all the other people around go in the same direction as you, you probably should go in another direction, because bat swarm spammers will go where many enemies are close together.
4. Don't move slowly backwards trying to block. It's the dumbest thing to do. You can't block all the damage of 10, 20 or more enemies. Turn around and run. Or use Bolt Escape, if you're an Sorc. Or any skill that moves you quickly out of the way. If you have positioned yourself well from the beginning then you might not have to run at all.
5. If you want to kill the bat swarm spammer keep in range for your ultimate, don't run away to far. Watch the bat swarm animation. Target its center and the second your enemy comes out of the bat swarm use your Ultimate. I use Soul Assault which deals about 2550 dmg over 4 sec. In 50% of all tries I kill the bat swarm spammer instantly, in 20% he gets killed by other players soon after.
6. In my case I use the time the bat swarm is active to heal my people who get hit by it. This helps a lot to have Soul Assault ready and it usually gives a quite good amount of AP.

DontBeAfraid

Morticielle wrote: »

BEZDNA wrote: »

I have only one simple suggestion: change CLOUDING SWARM skill in such a way, so you can't use other skills while you are invisible. in my opinion it's the best thing ZoS can make to solve overpopulation of vampiers in pvp.

First, I'm not a vampire and I have to fight bat swarmers every day.

Many people are pissed at vampires because those people don't know how to play against bat swarm spammers. I find it not very hard to go out of their way and when they come out of the bat swarm kill them with Soul Assault.

How can you do this?

1. Watch your surroundings - constantly! Those bat swarm spammers usually will come from behind or the sides, they will come out of buildings at resources and so on. Don't fixate on the enemies in plain view directly in front of you. Always look around. And position yourself in a way, that you have always at least one good escape route and you are far away from the most likely direction the bat swarm spammers will attack you from.
2. React fast! If you fail to react fast because you wan't to kill your target which is nearly dead or any other dumb reason - you'll be dead.
3. Move away in the opposite direction the bat swarm spammers are coming from. But if all the other people around go in the same direction as you, you probably should go in another direction, because bat swarm spammers will go where many enemies are close together.
4. Don't move slowly backwards trying to block. It's the dumbest thing to do. You can't block all the damage of 10, 20 or more enemies. Turn around and run. Or use Bolt Escape, if you're an Sorc. Or any skill that moves you quickly out of the way. If you have positioned yourself well from the beginning then you might not have to run at all.
5. If you want to kill the bat swarm spammer keep in range for your ultimate, don't run away to far. Watch the bat swarm animation. Target its center and the second your enemy comes out of the bat swarm use your Ultimate. I use Soul Assault which deals about 2550 dmg over 4 sec. In 50% of all tries I kill the bat swarm spammer instantly, in 20% he gets killed by other players soon after.
6. In my case I use the time the bat swarm is active to heal my people who get hit by it. This helps a lot to have Soul Assault ready and it usually gives a quite good amount of AP.

well good tactic overall but soul assault doesnt do 2.5k dmg.

still a very good way to handle vamps. thumps up for not enother QQ post.

Krentar_RNX

DontBeAfraid wrote: »

well good tactic overall but soul assault doesnt do 2.5k dmg.

Properly geared does a lot more than 2.5k

DontBeAfraid

well 116 spelldmg + resto staff and 45% crit. even with crits i dont get over 2k. and i never seen someone doing more.

but ok..

Krentar_RNX

If you cant reach 2k with your stats then you are doing something wrong.

Even if was 400 dmg per tick would still be 3200 DMG

http://i.imgur.com/HRmPLyk.jpg

Halrloprillalar

If i put on ALL my soul assault and resto staff I can almost get up to 4k

And that's non-crit. Also non-mitigated. Blocking will knock that down a lot.

DontBeAfraid

well maybe on npcs with negative resists.
or a naked player who doesnt block?


i get hit ALOT by soul assaults. never ever lost more than 40% life from it.

Krentar_RNX

rank 24 for real? and never lost more than 40% hps from that ultimate? LOL .... is all i have to say.

DontBeAfraid

the signature isnt even up to date.
apparently u run with no resists.

will make screenshots tomorrow of the max 1100-1200 dmg hit soultrikes in my deathrecaps.



edit:
hmm well.. dont like to say it - but apparently u are right with the damage. been testing it with some red friends and they seem to be able to nuke me down to 10% with a single soulstrike. (with 45% crit, high manapool)

actually that really surprises me. im a experienced pvp player in this game and as i said i get hit a lot by the skill. usually i can heal it easily with dragonblood - so i might have underestimated the incoming dmg.

only theory for the 1200 dmg numbers i keep seeing in my deathrecap can either be some low lvl players - bad geared players - or unleveled/morphed soulstrikes.

or well maybe im even just a noob.

Tintinabula

Ive seen it hit for higher and then lower both..no fault no foul.

Mojomonkeyman

DKs just don`t care about damage incoming other than fire, Marlic...

Just joking, I think DKs are fine. Don`t get all upset, guys.

heng14rwb17_ESO

To counter bat,use block + impulse + dragon blood and as a last resort..banner.
To counter soul strike,use block + dragon blood.

HazardousNovex

krim wrote: »

Why dont you guys all try it out and see if its as easy as you think.

Exactly, vampire might be powerful, but it does not come without great sacrifice.

Junipus

DontBeAfraid wrote: »

the signature isnt even up to date.
apparently u run with no resists.

will make screenshots tomorrow of the max 1100-1200 dmg hit soultrikes in my deathrecaps.



edit:
hmm well.. dont like to say it - but apparently u are right with the damage. been testing it with some red friends and they seem to be able to nuke me down to 10% with a single soulstrike. (with 45% crit, high manapool)

actually that really surprises me. im a experienced pvp player in this game and as i said i get hit a lot by the skill. usually i can heal it easily with dragonblood - so i might have underestimated the incoming dmg.

only theory for the 1200 dmg numbers i keep seeing in my deathrecap can either be some low lvl players - bad geared players - or unleveled/morphed soulstrikes.

or well maybe im even just a noob.

After having hit you with it a few times, the only reason I can think that it wouldn't show the full damage is from other attacks being registered first in the death recap. Alternatively, if the caster is stunned it doesn't show the full dmg numbers.

As for the original topic, I've seen Shido come out and batswarm a group of us who disperse instantly leaving him with no targets to hit or kill since we all heal or self-heal. He then runs back into the group before he gets killed. The best way to beat bat swarm is to outrun and out-heal it, and if you're out of stamina and can't pop a potion, then I really hate to say it but L2P.

Lava_Croft

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

BTW i thinked TESO was a skilled gamer play but no, as ALLL the other MMO, it's all about playing THE OP build and go zerg. Nice

Yes, blame ESO for the fact that people are people and blame ESO for the fact that you thought people would be different all of a sudden because they are playing ESO instead of [insert random MMO].

hamon

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

To counter bat,use block + impulse + dragon blood and as a last resort..banner.
To counter soul strike,use block + dragon blood.

yes cos everyones a dk..... tho it is heading that way. another month and it will be safe to assume only dk's play in cyrodill

demenzia

Lol what about [snip] and [snip]? The worst bats**t spammers I've ever seen, numbers 1 and 2 accordingly in the overall AB rating. More and more reds become vampires and when you get death recap you can see only bats bats bats. smurf number 1 [snip] spams it too, actually he is even worse than reds all together. And, yes, it's OP and something has to be done, cos it ruins the game. Anyway, these rotting creatures should be able to use their abilities only at the night time and rest in coffin or burn during the day

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

Teargrants

Really? Clouding swarm OP? It's not the ability that's OP it's the emperors stat/healing/ult gain boost that is OP, just as it should be. He's just one person.

DK vamp emps are strong, but it isn't going to kill you unless you let him jump on you and stay in his aoe spam. Him being an emp, you shouldn't be expecting to 1v1 him. As a group, you just CC him (batswarm isn't immune to CC), then keep you distance and range him down.

Normal vamp batswarmers are easy 1v1, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to kite the bats for 6 seconds if you aren't CC locked. They are a pain in groups because bad players stand in the bats and feed them ult gain, but I hardly ever see them survive long after coming out of bats unless they run back to their blob.