Good Game Behavior

bluesodafizz

RatsnevE wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

No but you can turn on the profanity filter.

ZOS should permanently turn on the profanity filter. Why give anyone the choice to use any profanity--period. In other words...you want to name call or use profanity then you can't play this game.

Agreed, and I also think that praising the lord in text in the chat box should be mandatory everyday. And I also think it should have to be by the name Jesus Christ because that's the one that has meaning to me.

Tannakaobi

AlexDougherty wrote: »

But the words best avoided I was refering to are racist terms (or possibly sexist/homeophobic words) and really are best avoided at all costs.

Aye, I agree, however when I listen to hip hop music.... well you take my meaning.

All people can do is try not to be offensive, it's what I try to be like everywhere I go in everything I do.

Currently, I'm sitting on a level 2 warning, so I guess it doesn't always work. People are people. This is why I believe that it should come down to common sense.

I make a joke about English names, or nick names in this case for Francesca and Richard, completely innocent on my behalf. Next thing I know, someone has taken offense and I have a warning. I just don't know what to say about that!

Sabin1269

It's funny that the conversation turned into arguing 10 or so post into the first page! The best thing to do is either ignore it and stay out of it or ignore the player so you won't have to see it. The worst thing to do is feed the trolls in chat or on the forums, they live for online conflict and start it because they have NOTHING better to do.

k9mouse

The purpose of this topic is to encourage respect among the players of ESO. The 1st step to solve a problem, is to know that is a problem in the 1st place. ESO been a lot better last few months about naming calling and cursing, but there is still room for improvement.

Thechemicals

Cogo wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Words are the most powerful human component in this world right now. It is non contingent volition or will that distinguishes us from that which is alive and that which is not. Words are in essence the tangible expression of our existence. It is not the the shaking sword held by the hands of a soldier quivering in fear that wins a battle. It is the words spoken before that battle that strengths the grip, steadies the sword and aims it against it's target with ferocity. The power of words, or information has been shown in experiments such as those proving the case of "Maxwells Demon" that power can be stored in information.

We cannot simply ignore a word because it does have actual intrinsic power held up in it's information. As both conscious and unconscious experiencers our consciousness is always in conflict with outside stimulus. It is up to the person to disregard a negative word by their own power, or the power of information of logic and truth.

Are you really saying WORDS "hurts" more on people then a gun?

I can prove that at least half the world, who is in conflict, or lives in countries with regular physical harm would LOVE to get called something bad, instead of getting killed, maimed or beaten just for their looks/religion or culture.

What you are talking about is us, who sits behind a computer as a protection.
Fact, every 4 SECOND on earth, a woman get "abused", to use a very simplistic term.

Words have power, yes. Fear, damage, REAL hurt? You are talking EGO.

The "problem" of words you are talking about is true, but to the extreme extent that people believe in the words and HURTS kills/hurts other people because they BELIEVE the words. Not the words themselves.....

Words lead to the gun.

Cogo

Thechemicals wrote: »

Words lead to the gun.

Nope, fear, culture and religion does.

Proof? Ghandi.

SFBryan18

Armitas wrote: »

guns don't kill people, people do

Most people die from diseases.

JessieColt

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

I have every right to curse in public, it not against the law.

How about you use the profanity filter (that's what it is there for) and stop trying to impose your ideals on others.

In many places it is illegal to curse in public, and can result in a fine, or arrest.

SFBryan18

JessieColt wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

I have every right to curse in public, it not against the law.

How about you use the profanity filter (that's what it is there for) and stop trying to impose your ideals on others.

In many places it is illegal to curse in public, and can result in a fine, or arrest.

Soloeus

RatsnevE wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

No but you can turn on the profanity filter.

ZOS should permanently turn on the profanity filter and remove the choice. Why give anyone the choice to use any profanity--period. In other words...you want to name call or use profanity then you can't play this game. And if you get too creative about it you can get banned.

No need to Nanny the game and kid things down. This is rated Mature. The problem isn't swearing the problem is bullying and the best bullies online "do it nicely" and that wouldn't be filtered out. They also make it look like the victims fault and can be very good at that.

AlexDougherty

RatsnevE wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

No but you can turn on the profanity filter.

ZOS should permanently turn on the profanity filter and remove the choice. Why give anyone the choice to use any profanity--period. In other words...you want to name call or use profanity then you can't play this game. And if you get too creative about it you can get banned.

Over-reaction. Common sense should be the decider, is it offensive or just jesting.

As for profanity filters, I've seen them filter out inoffensive words because of their spelling, for example Saturday getting filtered out. Lets us leave them off.
(Saturday got filtered out in some games because it has a rude word in the middle).

steveb16_ESO46

I'd love an Inanity Filter.

Logan9a

Falmer wrote: »

With all the benefits the internet brings, it also has a downside of sometimes forcing interactions with people who you normally wouldn't interact.

Just use the ignore function. You are never going to change someone's immature nature by pleading for them to do so. All you can do is ignore them just like you would do in real life. The game gives you the ability to make them completely silent to you.

My ignore list has tons of people who feel the need to demonstrate their immaturity to the world. How many times has asking someone to "grow up" ever worked? Just /ignore and move on without giving them a second thought.

I concur with this.

However - there is one fly in the ointment.

Although the ignore list is presumably client side, for reasons that completely elude me

we are given a 100 person ignore limit.

WTF.

Tabbycat

Not until we force everyone to use their actual real identities so that their bad behavior affects them in real life.

"Bob, you were a real jerk in chat. I never knew you were such an elitist! You simply are not the kind of person I thought you were when we hired you. I'm putting you on probation. Let's just say your job is on the line. So think about that the next time you play the game and yell at me about how bad my dps is."

diamondeyethunderbow_ESO

Most of the so-called "racists" and "homophobes" and whatnot are nothing of the sort. They just use these words to get to people because of internet anonymity and a desire to troll. Threads like this, and the video in the OP, just feed them.

The best thing to do is to just not worry about it. The less attention it gets, the less it happens.

Nazon_Katts

Cogo wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Words lead to the gun.

Nope, fear, culture and religion does.

Proof? Ghandi.

Please tell, how would anything or anyone you mentioned do (have done) without the use of words (communication).

Language is a virus.

Proof? William S. Burroughs.

Cogo

@Nazon_Katts

Point taken. (Seriously)

I respect your opinion, based on your many posts.
If what I say is becoming a "virus", I'll stay out of discussions I'd like to be part of. I have no agenda or stupid "troll" reason for anything I'll add.

This is a community, which I'd like to be part of while it grows, regarding a game I am very interesting in.

A MMOs community is as important to me as the game itself.
If my posts is a problem, and not a contribution like this OP intended. I'll either change, or stop.

Tannakaobi

diamondeyethunderbow_ESO wrote: »

Most of the so-called "racists" and "homophobes" and whatnot are nothing of the sort. They just use these words to get to people because of internet anonymity and a desire to troll. Threads like this, and the video in the OP, just feed them.

The best thing to do is to just not worry about it. The less attention it gets, the less it happens.

Right!

If someone says a racist comment then they are racist, it really is that simple. Trolling or not. Someone that is not racist simply does not think that way. The reality is in real life they hide it because it is unacceptable, as it should be. It has not always been the case. Even as late as the late sixties racist organizations/cults were happy enough to go on national television.

"The best thing to do is to just not worry about it. The less attention it gets, the less it happens."

Although history would say otherwise.

Elencha

Not to sound like the big meanie or anything, but socialization is a thing. It has to happen. People need to know certain behaviors are socially unacceptable. This includes excessively offensive behavior, but it also includes stupidity, entitlement, whining and weakness. The internet seems to be the last bastion of standards, not always good standards but standards, nonetheless. Meatspace is trending towards "Everybody is okay, no matter what, everybody gets a trophy and there are no losers. You are special merely for existing, and if anything makes you even the slightest bit uncomfortable, the world will find a way to eradicate it." I don't want the internet to go any more in that direction than absolutely necessary.

Coddling our weakest elements only perpetuates them and leads to a decline in the species.

hk11

I can handle any negative comments without outside legislation.

In response to your question, I think his views make him look weak. Just my opinion of course.

Elencha

hk11 wrote: »

I can handle any negative comments without outside legislation.

Also, this. This is the attitude and behavior we should expect from grownups. Stand up for yourself when necessary, don't expect some establishment to do it for you.

OrangeTheCat

It's not gaming's fault per se; it's anonymity and a no consequences environment.

k9mouse

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

It's not gaming's fault per se; it's anonymity and a no consequences environment.

1) How can we encourage people to act better ingame then?

2) If start to see chat heat up over a topic to the point of name calling (and / or cursing to the point of being spam), what are some good ways to redirect people back to the better path?

OrangeTheCat

Riot is implementing some sort of merit/demerit system because in that game, League of Legends, harassment is out of control. A combination of positive and negative reinforcement is what they are doing. I know that does not answer your question but since people are not going to self-censor the software has to shape behavior.

Elencha

@k9mouse‌, I would say two things to this. First, if they are a troll, ignoring them will deny them the attention they seek and they will stop. Second, if they are not a troll, ostracization is an effective means of conveying and enforcing societal norms. Hence, either way, liberal use of the ignore feature solves the problem if the community as a whole employs it. The problem is people prefer to get butthurt rather than treating jerks with the disdain they deserve.

k9mouse

In my book, naming called in non joking manner and / or if topic turn into long draw one on sexual ideas is called harassment. Also, if someone starts to curse in every line of text, one could consider that spam. In both cases, reporting them is a good option to take.

I have found if topics are going that route in chat, one just offers reporting as an option, most people will start to behaved better. With out really reporting them but just saying that one considering that course of action. The word "reporting" will give most pause and time to think how they are acting.

To be clear, I am NOT talking if one disagrees with you or a few curse words, in those cases, one should NOT report them. Just when topic is getting of control, one should start thinking about the report option.

Players should not report small details, but only when the big bad troll starts to bite to hard. In most cases, the troll will hang him or herself with their own comments. Always talk with them in a claim cool head and still treat them with respect even if they are not respecting you in return. Thus, they are hanging themselves.

Elencha

I never report people. I'm not my little brother running to tell mommy that someone did something bad. I just hit my ignore button. I do wish that list had more spaces though. Maybe because when I was growing up, my mother's policy was, "If you come crying to me because somebody hit you or called you a name, I'm going to hit you." Made me learn to stand on my own two feet, that did.