Good Game Behavior

k9mouse

Sometimes in zone chat, talks can be heated (just like the forums), if topic go to name calling and to much cursing, I will say that is not needed and we need to talk with each other and naming calling is over the line.

"Can We Ever Stop Toxic, Racist, & Abusive Gamers??"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yvISdKG7Ng

This video is very interesting and talks about this subject, what do you think of his ideas?

Blackwidow

"Can We Ever Stop Toxic, Racist, & Abusive Gamers??"

No.

Next topic.

k9mouse

True, we can't stop it, but we slow it down...

Tannakaobi

Why is it always 12 year olds get the blame?

but, alas no. You will never get rid of Toxic, Racist, & Abusive Gamers. Is is up to each player to not let it bother you and if someone really crosses the line report them.

AngryWolf

I just do a quick report with a screenshot and let the GM's handle it.

Soloeus

No we can't stop it. We can reduce it by immediately identifying these people by their behaviors and ostracizing them. We can ignore them, which means they are denied access to our groups. We can check our guild lists to ensure no ignored players can get in or already are and if so complain to guild leader.

We can counter their rapport by targeting instead any player who falls for the bait with a whisper and trying to persuade them to use the ignore feature and stop interacting with the person.

You can refuse to tolerate and accept such behavior. Warn the troll that their behavior is creating a toxic environment and report them. If they say something bad, roll up to the text and report it with a screenshot and in your report.

Focus not on your displeasure with the person but on the eyesore of it, and on your concern that this may dissuade other players from socializing or participating in a good environment.

ZOS said they wanted players to have a positive environment: This game has one of the worst and has driven the anti-socal behavior we have today that is present in every part of the game, including players not even wanting to trade with one another because they are aggravated at trolls.

lecarcajou_ESO

You might find this article from a recent Wired magazine interesting... and encouraging:

wired.com/2014/05/fighting-online-harassment/

There's no "silver bullet" for this issue—the only solution is to shape the awareness of the community involved. I don't find it at all surprising that the vast majority of gamers want to have fun in a non-toxic environment.

ers101284b14_ESO

No but you can turn on the profanity filter.

Audigy

Not until you need a valid ID to enter the internet. Right now the Internet is anonym and you can commit crimes in it and will still have access. Change this and people will change.

k9mouse

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

ers101284b14_ESO

k9mouse wrote: »

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ly6y9r1rakh96f8/Profane.JPG

k9mouse

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ly6y9r1rakh96f8/Profane.JPG

or you could not use profane talk in public That is not too much ask. One or two profane words do not bug me, but every line (more cases then not leads to sexual talk) do bug me. I will report someone if they act that way.

ers101284b14_ESO

k9mouse wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ly6y9r1rakh96f8/Profane.JPG

or you could not use profane talk in public

Using the filter is actually possible.

k9mouse

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ly6y9r1rakh96f8/Profane.JPG

or you could not use profane talk in public

Using the filter is actually possible.

oh BTW, the filter does not work for name calling either. Words like stupid, dumb, etc They are just as bad as profane talk -- they can really hurt when someone is trying to have a talk in the zone chat.

ers101284b14_ESO

k9mouse wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ly6y9r1rakh96f8/Profane.JPG

or you could not use profane talk in public

Using the filter is actually possible.

oh BTW, the filter does not work for name calling either. Words like stupid, dumb, etc They are just as bad as profane talk -- they can really hurt when someone is trying to have a talk in the zone chat.

Turn zone chat off. It's the only way. People are not gonna stop either deal with it or move on. It's called life.

k9mouse

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ly6y9r1rakh96f8/Profane.JPG

or you could not use profane talk in public

Using the filter is actually possible.

oh BTW, the filter does not work for name calling either. Words like stupid, dumb, etc They are just as bad as profane talk -- they can really hurt when someone is trying to have a talk in the zone chat.

Turn zone chat off. It's the only way. People are not gonna stop either deal with it or move on. It's called life.

I have walk from zone chat before and know there always be jerks and trolls to deal with. That does not mean I will stop asking for people to show respect to each other.

Elad13

Words are a series of letters placed together....The only power they have is the power you give them....

Simple solution? Stop seeing letters has abusive tools....F*#% should hold no more power then happy. If you want to stop something the easiest way is to not see it in the first place. Only you have power over your mind...If so easily influenced or swayed into thoughts, perhaps a better look at yourself is all thats needed.

Loco_Mofo

k9mouse wrote: »

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

I have every right to curse in public, it not against the law.

How about you use the profanity filter (that's what it is there for) and stop trying to impose your ideals on others.

Archaole

This game has given trolls a strong and powerful reincarnation. But that's probably fed by those who want this to be a single player mmo and aren't used to being in a trollish environment. I agree that those who know what is going on and how to react to such situations must act to raise the awareness to those who can't tell the difference between the trolls and people who are just a-holes or who might actually be upset about something or at someone.

WraithAzraiel

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Why is it always 12 year olds get the blame?.

Because as an age group they (adolescents and pre-adolescents) have the most proclivity to broad sweeping mood swings and have yet to master the art of self-control. Thank hormones. Mind you this is a generalization and there will always be those that don't follow the stigma but that's life.

Everyone goes through a pissy preteen stage. It's just become more widely acknowledged because of their ability to access media like online gaming with built-in voice chat. If they popped off at the mouth without anyone ever being able to hear it aside from those physically near them - then the stigma wouldn't exist.

By the by, if at their age, anyone in my family heard me say half the things these little knuckleheads say over voicechat I would've been knocked into next week.

SFBryan18

I usually drawn the line somewhere between Family Guy/ South Park and abuse. If I make a mature joke which is intended to be funny, it should not get the same consequences as if I were to attack a person with racial or threatening motives. They are different and I feel the moderators should protect us from abuse, but not discourage our freedom to be adults.

Samadhi

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Why is it always 12 year olds get the blame?

...

Ageism.

k9mouse

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

I have every right to curse in public, it not against the law.

How about you use the profanity filter (that's what it is there for) and stop trying to impose your ideals on others.

Only immature people can't show respect to others. You have other channels to go to do that type of tongue. What is so hard not to do that in the zone chat? A simple request that shows that players of ESO can show respect to each other. A few curse words are fine, but pages and pages of them is not.

JKorr

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

I have every right to curse in public, it not against the law.

How about you use the profanity filter (that's what it is there for) and stop trying to impose your ideals on others.

You aren't in public.

You are on a private server that has rules that you agreed to abide by when you joined. ToS, under Rules of Conduct:

You agree not to use any Service to:

Harass, stalk, threaten, embarrass, spam or do anything else to another user of any Services that is unwanted, such as repeatedly sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc.;

Take any action, organize, transmit any content, effectuate or participate in any activity, group, or guild that is harmful, tortuous, abusive, hateful (including “hate speech”), racially, ethnically, religiously or otherwise offensive, obscene, threatening, bullying, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, libelous, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, encourages conduct that would violate a law or is, in a reasonable person's view, objectionable and/or deemed to be in the sole discretion of ZeniMax inappropriate;

Engage in disruptive behavior in chat areas, game areas, forums, or any other area or aspect of the Services. Examples of disruptive behavior include, but is not limited to, conduct which interferes with the normal flow of gameplay or dialogue within a Service, vulgar language, abusiveness, hitting the return key repeatedly or inputting large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in an attempt to disturb other users, "spamming" or flooding [posting repetitive text], commercial postings, solicitations and advertisements, posting advertising or promotional messaging, chain letters, pyramid schemes, or other commercial activities.

Zenimax decides what is appropriate.

yiasemi

How about an urbanity filter, so every time someone says, "Noo please, after you dear Altmer, take that alchemy node and enjoy." becomes "lol wut, bots here, you cheating chinese suckah". "I see you put a lot of points into stamina on your horse" becomes "Eat my hooves, slow noob" and "Oh my, what a pleasant inn" removes all your clothes and starts a drunk dance on a table, putting your crotch in someone's face as they rummage through their inventory, and your underwear. That would allow us all to get on swimmingly.

DigitalHype

k9mouse wrote: »

Only immature people can't show respect to others. You have other channels to go to do that type of tongue. What is so hard not to do that in the zone chat? A simple request that shows that players of ESO can show respect to each other. A few curse words are fine, but pages and pages of them is not.

Pages and pages of "curse" words? That sounds more like spam. That should be reported. I'd also recommend you use the /ignore feature. Clearly the person(s) subjecting you to pages of profane language, is not someone you're interested in hearing from, right?

Tannakaobi

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

I every right NOT to hear curse words in a public area. I do not need a 3rd party tool. It is a simple request -- if you feel like you need to curse, one can do it in guild, party or tells. If someone does not like the topic or the tone of the topic that can leave. Zone chat, one can not leave and if they want to do trades, they have to used zone chat.


If someone starts to yell and curse in place like a restaurant, that restaurants has every right to kick out of their building. The zone chat is kind of like a public restaurant.

I have left a guild before because of toxic people and never ending cursing (like every line they say is a cursing). I can not leave a guild called "zone chat"

I have every right to curse in public, it not against the law.

How about you use the profanity filter (that's what it is there for) and stop trying to impose your ideals on others.

Actually in most places it is against the law to curse in public, disorderly conduct is what it is called in the US. It is also illegal to curse at law enforcement.
The thing is with such laws, it takes a victim to prosecute. That's why it never happens, or at least not very often. It's kind of like urinating in public, or public nudity.

It doesn't really bother me, but if you are someone that curses don't be surprised if you one day pick up a ban or get fined.

In much of Europe and America new legislation are also going to come to the internet in a bid to tackle this problem, particularly around social media sites. It won't be long until it is as much a crime on the internet as it is outside. Only faceless people will prosecute much more readily and it will result in fines coming through your mail. It's pretty sad the way the world is heading.

AoEnwyr

While ZOS can put reporting tools in place it is up to the community to self regulate. If you see someone being hateful, discriminatory or behaving in an unacceptable manner then use the reporting tools. Tell the person, respectfully, that their behaviour is not ok. There are a lot of keyboard warriors out there who behave in a way online that the would never do in physical social settings.

People need to understand that online spaces are real spaces and have real world consequences in how you make another person feel. I understand that environments like MMO's have participants from a range of belief systems but some things are just not ok.

tordr86b16_ESO

thin skins.

eventide7

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

thin skins.

More like people wanting everyone to act like human beings instead of sociopaths. Bravo!

On rare occasions that I read zone chat it's for the purposes of trade, grouping, or learning something. When I see someone working hard to disrupt that I send a whisper to them asking them to abide by the community standards of behavior in zone chat. More often than not they stop, and if not I block them, and in the event of racial slurs or verbal abuse/harassment of another player, I report them.

AlexDougherty

k9mouse wrote: »

"Can We Ever Stop Toxic, Racist, & Abusive Gamers??"

Yes, if we keep reporting them for it, and the GMs actually ban them for it, then we can stop it. It will takes years, sadly, but if we actually stamp on the abusive sods we can stop it.

Unfortunately this would probably also get some of us suspended for lighthearted comments. Which would kill the community.

But we can always strike a balance where the extreme comments get acted on, and the jesting is actually tolerated. Of course this means people would have to get used to different styles of humour.