dye Achievements

Flashygrrl

I'm feeling a little bit better about this, seeing as the colors I'm most likely to use are tied to either achievements I've earned with my vet (and from what I understand they are account-wide dyes, not just character) or I've earned with my new main. Thanks to anyone who went in and did the lists..

Morticide828

I'm dyeing to see this on the live realm. Looks like it'll really brighten my day.

Tabbycat

Some of the desirable (black and white) dye colors being tied to PvP achievements seriously irks me. I don't want to be forced into PvP in order to unlock those dye colors. I'm also not particularly fond dye colors being tied to Werewolf and Vampire. Some of us do not want to do these things.

egosumacunnus

Will dyes be unlocked for people who have already got those achievements?

DeLindsay

egosumacunnus wrote: »

Will dyes be unlocked for people who have already got those achievements?

Yes, even the added achievements in 1.3 if you previously met the requirements.

MercyKilling

So the entire PvP, vampire and werewolf lines are completely out of the question for me, because I absolutely will not participate in those activities.
Way to go.

I would rather have paid $2.99 to $4.99 per color than this system.

DeLindsay

MercyKilling wrote: »

So the entire PvP, vampire and werewolf lines are completely out of the question for me, because I absolutely will not participate in those activities.
Way to go.

I would rather have paid $2.99 to $4.99 per color than this system.

All Dyes are ACCOUNT wide and all achievements to unlock Dyes are retroactive. So if any of your 8 characters has EVER been a WW/Vamp then bam, you get that Dye unlocked. If any of your 8 characters had EVER been in Cyrodil and gotten any of the achievements even if by accident while you passed by others then BAM, you get that Dye unlocked.

It's really petty of some people to chastise ZoS for putting in achievements and the Dye tied to it all because they don't like that part of the game.

pinstripesc

A lot of these are super accessible - from a quick glance over the list, a lot of them I've already got, for instance, and a lot of that is just from normal questing. Becoming a vampire for a black is not a giant deal. I don't wanna be a vampire, but you can always turn then get rid of it right away.

nickersy

you know getting vamp/werewolf dyes isnt hard all you need to do is just use 3 skill points put it in alternate and turn in quests with till master

MercyKilling

Except none of my characters have ever been to Cyrodiil, have been a vamp or werewolf and never will I go to the PvP zone, nor will I ever become infected with either vampirism or lycanthropy on any of my characters.

In essence Zenimax has locked content behind activities that I(and likely others) will never do, thus ensuring parts of the game that should be voluntary become necessary if you want the other content tied to them.

While I agree dyes for armor is a very small thing to complain about...this small thing sets a precedent for larger things.

Several times now I've left feedback ingame about tying shops to guild membership and having to travel to a PvP zone to access them.
I don't care about guilds or PvP, yet I have to put up with both to be able to peruse items other players want to sell. This isn't ideal, and I'm not going into the whole "auction house" debate here....but it's the PRECEDENT of it that I'm against.

Gating content behind doing activities that some people might not want to experience is tantamount to forcing people to do things they do not want to do in order to get something they might want.

I'm never going to do a trial.
I'm never going to set foot in Cyrodiil.
I'm never going to become a vampire.
I'm never going to become a werewolf.
I'm never going to do veteran level dungeons or content.

Anything that Zenimax ties to that type of content will something I never get to experience....even though I pay the same sub fee as everyone else.
Screw fair, this isn't -right-.

Let me give another example: Everything bolded and italicized above?
Equate it to the most disgusting, vile and reprehensible thing you personally hate above all else. This is how I view those activities.

I would much rather go to the store page and buy individual colors for $1.99-2.99 and say...a random pack of five dyes for $4.99 than have to engage in activities I find as disgusting as the idea of intercourse with either dead people or animals.
(And no, I'm not exaggerating.)

There is nothing that can be said to change my mind on this subject, and I will continue to voice my displeasure both ingame and on the forums about this matter.

DeLindsay

MercyKilling wrote: »

I'm never going to do a trial.
I'm never going to set foot in Cyrodiil.
I'm never going to become a vampire.
I'm never going to become a werewolf.
I'm never going to do veteran level dungeons or content.

So basically you're saying that YOU have chosen not to take part in MANY aspects of this game and somehow you feel entitled to exactly the same things as those who DO participate in PvP, VR content, etc do. Sounds legit.

pppontus

DeLindsay wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

I'm never going to do a trial.
I'm never going to set foot in Cyrodiil.
I'm never going to become a vampire.
I'm never going to become a werewolf.
I'm never going to do veteran level dungeons or content.

So basically you're saying that YOU have chosen not to take part in MANY aspects of this game and somehow you feel entitled to exactly the same things as those who DO participate in PvP, VR content, etc do. Sounds legit.

This seems like a non-issue, almost all colours are available (in different shades) for doing any of the games content. You can get a black from PvP, from learning all rare motifs, from becoming a vampire, from finishing the Main Quest and from "Expert Deconstructor" whatever that is but it sounds crafting related. + a few very close colours from other quests, exploring etc.

I'm pretty sure that if you play the game at all, you will have some shade of every colour in a heartbeat. The shades you don't get are for those of us who like to do all the content, because that is something the devs should reward? You can't expect to get the Emperor title if you don't get Emperor (thus pvp).. but you can still get a ton of other titles.

Flashygrrl

MercyKilling wrote: »

I'm never going to do a trial.
I'm never going to set foot in Cyrodiil.
I'm never going to become a vampire.
I'm never going to become a werewolf.
I'm never going to do veteran level dungeons or content.

NOBODY is gonna take you seriously with this.

AleriSadasIndoril

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

Yes, if you unlock a dye on one character, that dye will be available to all characters on your account.

Thanks (*) (*) (*) (*) (*)

Xsorus

MercyKilling wrote: »

I'm never going to do a trial.
I'm never going to set foot in Cyrodiil.
I'm never going to become a vampire.
I'm never going to become a werewolf.
I'm never going to do veteran level dungeons or content.

"I've never played in the World Series, but ya know..I feel like i deserve a ring anyway"

Anjelicus

MercyKilling wrote: »

Except none of my characters have ever been to Cyrodiil, have been a vamp or werewolf and never will I go to the PvP zone, nor will I ever become infected with either vampirism or lycanthropy on any of my characters.

In essence Zenimax has locked content behind activities that I(and likely others) will never do, thus ensuring parts of the game that should be voluntary become necessary if you want the other content tied to them.

While I agree dyes for armor is a very small thing to complain about...this small thing sets a precedent for larger things.

Several times now I've left feedback ingame about tying shops to guild membership and having to travel to a PvP zone to access them.
I don't care about guilds or PvP, yet I have to put up with both to be able to peruse items other players want to sell. This isn't ideal, and I'm not going into the whole "auction house" debate here....but it's the PRECEDENT of it that I'm against.

Gating content behind doing activities that some people might not want to experience is tantamount to forcing people to do things they do not want to do in order to get something they might want.

I'm never going to do a trial.
I'm never going to set foot in Cyrodiil.
I'm never going to become a vampire.
I'm never going to become a werewolf.
I'm never going to do veteran level dungeons or content.

Anything that Zenimax ties to that type of content will something I never get to experience....even though I pay the same sub fee as everyone else.
Screw fair, this isn't -right-.

Let me give another example: Everything bolded and italicized above?
Equate it to the most disgusting, vile and reprehensible thing you personally hate above all else. This is how I view those activities.

I would much rather go to the store page and buy individual colors for $1.99-2.99 and say...a random pack of five dyes for $4.99 than have to engage in activities I find as disgusting as the idea of intercourse with either dead people or animals.
(And no, I'm not exaggerating.)

There is nothing that can be said to change my mind on this subject, and I will continue to voice my displeasure both ingame and on the forums about this matter.

so you pay $15/mo to do what exactly? and you promote the pay to win mentality so you're definitely going places!

MercyKilling

DeLindsay wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

I'm never going to do a trial.
I'm never going to set foot in Cyrodiil.
I'm never going to become a vampire.
I'm never going to become a werewolf.
I'm never going to do veteran level dungeons or content.

So basically you're saying that YOU have chosen not to take part in MANY aspects of this game and somehow you feel entitled to exactly the same things as those who DO participate in PvP, VR content, etc do. Sounds legit.

Yup. Because my $14.99 per month is exactly the same as yours.


Edit:

Anjelicus wrote: »

so you pay $15/mo to do what exactly? and you promote the pay to win mentality so you're definitely going places!

Exactly how would being able to purchase armor dyes pay to win? OOOO. Can I automagically win everything if I dye my armor??

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

"I've never played in the World Series, but ya know..I feel like i deserve a ring anyway"

The guy that sat on the bench all season gets a ring when his team wins. My sub is me sitting on the bench all season.

Marcusstratus

-marcusstratus's wife speaking-

I am very excited to have the opportunity to change the color of armor/robes!
Here's my assessment:

1) Overall the color options look good, from what I could tell while playing around on the test server (though it would be nice to be able to preview the locked ones so you know whether you want to go after a particular achievement). Only a few of the colors looked like they might be a bit 'too bright' and stand out awkwardly, but for the most part the options looked like they would coordinate decently with each-other and there wouldn't be toooo much possibility of people running around looking like neon-rainbow-rangers.

2) The way the colors are applied to different textures looks pretty good, and it's great to be able to use 3 different colors on a single piece to create contrast on trim and such. Though I'd like to make a note that not being able to dye my shield to match my spiffy new armor kind of ruined the perfectly coordinated effect I was hoping for.

3) The interface is easy to use and I love the ability to create saved sets of colors. I'd say in this department it's even more than I was hoping for. It's great having a full view of the items on your character while trying out different color schemes so you can really tell what it's going to look like. And as a side note, it's amusing to watch your character change poses while you're working.

4) As a crafter I had been hoping dyed items would not be locked to your account so that color-scheme could have been a new aspect of creating items for other people. I like design, so it would have been fun to dye things for more than just myself (especially since it's not like a single character is going to be wearing lots of different outfits, creating for others would have made more use of this new creative aspect to crafting). On the plus side, it's nice that you can easily change the color of an item basically on a whim, rather than having it dyed once for all. I'm glad we don't have to create a whole new item, but can just re-dye something if we feel like a change.

4) While the IDEA of having colors connected to achievements as a way to show off what you've done sounds kind of nice, I don't think it'll really work that way in reality given how many colors there are, and how many of them are quite similar. There may be a few colors that could readily stand out and be identifiable, but I highly doubt that people are generally going to recognize at a glance what achievement a particular color signifies. Thus it's not like attaching them to achievements really serves that purpose.

5) The other purpose I can think of then for attaching them to achievements is to get players to spend time on things they may not have been interested in, or at least not actively pursuing. Which on one hand is a good business plan, but I think it's a double edged sword. For one thing, it's probably going to urge people to rush through content to get certain achievements in order to get a particular color as soon as possible, which may cut down on overall playing time for those that normally take their time. The thing is you want to look good WHILE you're playing, not after you've already done everything and there's nothing left but wandering around aimlessly (obviously the colors aren't all end-game stuff, but the point is it's kind of a hollow 'victory' to get something that you could have enjoyed a lot more if you'd had it all this time). This system also clearly makes people frustrated at being forced to play a certain way to get something that is supposed to make the game more fun...only that fun has been counter balanced by the annoyance of not being able to 'play the way you want' in order to get it. Of course it's up to each person to decide if a color is worth the bother or not, but customization is a pretty important thing to a lot of people especially with a role-playing game.Thus a lot of people are going to be irritated if they find that to make their character look the way they want they're going to have to play 'out of character' - granted some of that is fixed by dyes being available to all characters on your account.

Flashygrrl

Hopefully they'll see that there has been a rousing response to the idea that we should be able to dye weapons and shields and implement that before Update 3 goes live.

pinstripesc

Paul Sage mentioned in the recent interview that they won't likely launch it with weapon/shield dyeing, but they will see how it goes from there; there is potential that it may be added later.

Firestar_

I really wish people would stop complaining about not getting a certain color because of PVP/PVE/Craiglorn/Whatever
The point is so moot that it's almost not worth pointing out because people with complain regardless of what's put in front of their faces.


Hey, if you had bothered to log onto test (and not use that grossly inaccurate ESO clothing website) you'd actually know that most of these are the same damned color just with different names.

Guess what those same colors are? *shock* One is PVP and one is PVE. Wow. What foresight. I can't believe that ESO actually caters to people with different play styles. You don't even need vamp or werewolf because *surprise* there's the same color tied to a different achievement.

Hell, there's even same colors for people who PVP and refuse to play the story but need a black and a white somehow.

Everyone will get everything regardless of your play style so long as you just play the game in the flavor of your choice.

Not sure how this system could be any more catered to different play styles if it tried, short of just giving everyone everything right off the bat.

MeowGinger

Firestar_ wrote: »

They colors are similar, but not identical.

Firestar_

And if you actually put them on a piece of armor, thanks to the texture in the armor, you won't be able to pick out the miniscule difference unless you have really REALLY good tint vision and a several thousand dollar monitor.

Heck, even some of the not-so-similar colors look the same when applied to armor to me thanks to the texture in the armors. It kind of awesome and kind of sad that "EHP Hero" and "Emporer" look like the same armor colors.

MeowGinger

I guess that makes me lucky... sort of... I can tell the difference, but you're right, they're pretty close.

Enjinir

They colors are similar, but not identical.

Exactly! What if I wanted 255/100/37 and all I could do is 255/100/36? Ridiculous.

c0rp

"MercyKilling wrote: »

The guy that sat on the bench all season gets a ring when his team wins. My sub is me sitting on the bench all season.

Im sorry..but paying a sub does not entitle you to all in game items. Thats not how MMOs work. You either chose to participate in the necessary steps to gain the items, or you don't. You have chosen not to. Pretty simple, really.

MercyKilling

c0rp wrote: »

"MercyKilling wrote: »

The guy that sat on the bench all season gets a ring when his team wins. My sub is me sitting on the bench all season.

Im sorry..but paying a sub does not entitle you to all in game items. Thats not how MMOs work. You either chose to participate in the necessary steps to gain the items, or you don't. You have chosen not to. Pretty simple, really.

Wellthen, as soon as Zenimax discounts my sub for the percentage of the game I'm not consuming, your point will be valid.

Arsenic_Touch

Firestar_ wrote: »

And if you actually put them on a piece of armor, thanks to the texture in the armor, you won't be able to pick out the miniscule difference unless you have really REALLY good tint vision and a several thousand dollar monitor.

Heck, even some of the not-so-similar colors look the same when applied to armor to me thanks to the texture in the armors. It kind of awesome and kind of sad that "EHP Hero" and "Emporer" look like the same armor colors.

Actually, it's real easy to pick out the difference from the dyes I've been able to test and it's more noticeable when you change armor classes. You may not be able to notice but don't think other people with better computers won't be able to. They are not all the same colour. Your hyperbole is amusing though. While I'm sure some of them are near the same, the rare dyes are more vibrant in colour compared to the common dyes.

c0rp

MercyKilling wrote: »

c0rp wrote: »

"MercyKilling wrote: »

The guy that sat on the bench all season gets a ring when his team wins. My sub is me sitting on the bench all season.

Im sorry..but paying a sub does not entitle you to all in game items. Thats not how MMOs work. You either chose to participate in the necessary steps to gain the items, or you don't. You have chosen not to. Pretty simple, really.

Wellthen, as soon as Zenimax discounts my sub for the percentage of the game I'm not consuming, your point will be valid.

HAHA...now youre just being ridiculous. I bet you wrote Comcast a letter telling them you want your service discounted because you only watch 3 channels eh?

Sunrock

Same color will look slightly different if you put them on a leather, cloth or metal part of your armor. That is way you might need to have several different colors that look almost the same if you want to look exactly like you imagine it should look. If you read my post "Re: Tabards...." You might notice there is a slight difference between the color on the shoulders and the secondary color of the helm. However it's the same dye I use.