Garrison / Housing for ESO ? (why is ESO so far behind the rest with player housing)

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

phairdon wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Far behind the rest based on one game? My only other mmo does not have player or garrison housing.

No based on EQ2, Vanguard, Amalure, SWG, SWTOR, WoW, RIFT, Wildstar, Star Citizen, GW1, EVE Online (anybody see any I've missed please feel free to add them)

Fair call!

Wonder why housing was not introduced into gw2 (which is my other mmo). Not that it concerns me.

They have said player housing and guild halls are coming, I may even re-vamp my old account when it does

Had heard player housing was going to be introduced in maybe a year or two. Either way its not a concern for me.

Actually, all ZOS have said is it won't be in the first couple of years, I know of no comment that says they're committed to do it even then.

phairdon

Phantax wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Far behind the rest based on one game? My only other mmo does not have player or garrison housing.

No based on EQ2, Vanguard, Amalure, SWG, SWTOR, WoW, RIFT, Wildstar, Star Citizen, GW1, EVE Online (anybody see any I've missed please feel free to add them)

And apart from the current FoTM among attention-span challenged gamers, none of those launched with housing as far as I know.

As for your omissions: FFXI, which now has housing AND a garden. also LoTRO which had it at launch I *think* or maybe an early content update.

On the other hand, GW2 hasn't got it and doesn't seem to be any the worse for that.

Wildstar did, Star Citizen will and GW2 is getting



Oh and SWTOR did, although it was only your ship and kinda naff...lol

Gw2 is getting housing?

reggielee

any kind of place to let my char rest in would be much appreciated, im tired of being a bag lady and god I am in need of a bath.

rift housing is a game into itself and one that they are pimping mightily for income in their f2p model. I would just be happy to have some sort of home,with perhaps storage upgrades, vanity items like armor racks and bookcases all buyable for gold. Maybe tie in cosmetic war trophies and furniture from quests/dungeons drops to use as decorations.

all would give more options for gold sinks and rerunning dungeons for cosmetic item drops.

Cogo

CreepySpydre wrote: »

Lotro was the first few games with personal and kin housing some 6 years ago, being that is 7 years old now, shows that it may take some time to place in the game. This WoW thing is a rip off from Age of Conan's guild cities, and Battle keeps.

Heh, Anarchy Online 2001 was the forst MMO with housing. CRAP housing, but still.

Phantax

phairdon wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Far behind the rest based on one game? My only other mmo does not have player or garrison housing.

No based on EQ2, Vanguard, Amalure, SWG, SWTOR, WoW, RIFT, Wildstar, Star Citizen, GW1, EVE Online (anybody see any I've missed please feel free to add them)

And apart from the current FoTM among attention-span challenged gamers, none of those launched with housing as far as I know.

As for your omissions: FFXI, which now has housing AND a garden. also LoTRO which had it at launch I *think* or maybe an early content update.

On the other hand, GW2 hasn't got it and doesn't seem to be any the worse for that.

Wildstar did, Star Citizen will and GW2 is getting



Oh and SWTOR did, although it was only your ship and kinda naff...lol

Gw2 is getting housing?

Apparently yes. Housing and Guild halls.

Cogo

Phantax wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Far behind the rest based on one game? My only other mmo does not have player or garrison housing.

No based on EQ2, Vanguard, Amalure, SWG, SWTOR, WoW, RIFT, Wildstar, Star Citizen, GW1, EVE Online (anybody see any I've missed please feel free to add them)

Fair call!

Wonder why housing was not introduced into gw2 (which is my other mmo). Not that it concerns me.

They have said player housing and guild halls are coming, I may even re-vamp my old account when it does

Had heard player housing was going to be introduced in maybe a year or two. Either way its not a concern for me.

In a year or two Zenimax won't just of missed the boat, it will have capsized and sunk...lol

Nooo!! pink unicorns!!!! Think pink unicorns!

And we ARE getting stuff...soon, Lets see what, when its posted today.

phairdon

Phantax wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Far behind the rest based on one game? My only other mmo does not have player or garrison housing.

No based on EQ2, Vanguard, Amalure, SWG, SWTOR, WoW, RIFT, Wildstar, Star Citizen, GW1, EVE Online (anybody see any I've missed please feel free to add them)

And apart from the current FoTM among attention-span challenged gamers, none of those launched with housing as far as I know.

As for your omissions: FFXI, which now has housing AND a garden. also LoTRO which had it at launch I *think* or maybe an early content update.

On the other hand, GW2 hasn't got it and doesn't seem to be any the worse for that.

Wildstar did, Star Citizen will and GW2 is getting



Oh and SWTOR did, although it was only your ship and kinda naff...lol

Gw2 is getting housing?

Apparently yes. Housing and Guild halls.

Guild halls I can understand. As for housing..wonder if this will add more content as in farming materials for the houses, events or even a new crafting skill of some type.

According to their wiki it was mentioned - not currently being worked on.

Dusty5

How many times you fanboi's going to ask the same question? 1-2 years is the only default answer your going to get. ZOS is under contract to launch the console program and they have Blown the launch date. Now I am going to go slow here for you people. IF you have 2 groups 1.IS a major player in the industry that is pissed off at you and is looking either to drag you into court or drop your product all together. 2. a group that's only paying 15 bucks a month and demanding more content into a non-functional program. Which 1 you going to deal with first? you only got so much staff to go around and already fired all your temps months ago. All your going to get is canned response's and vague references that they are looking at this and that. Now everyone back on the short bus and we'll go over to look at the fuzzy panda's and get cookies.

Maverick827

Player housing is now a standard of the MMO genere. If you break down new content into PvP, PvE, and Solo, then this should be the #1 thing they're working on for "Solo," alongside more/better endgame raids for PvE and battlegrounds/arenas for PvP.

Vazkahkatz

I would personally prefer more quests and stuff before I have my toon retire to a life of gardening and house maintenance

phairdon

Housing does provide the opportunity to tie in new quests.

Zarrae

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Far behind the rest based on one game? My only other mmo does not have player or garrison housing.

No based on EQ2, Vanguard, Amalure, SWG, SWTOR, WoW, RIFT, Wildstar, Star Citizen, GW1, EVE Online (anybody see any I've missed please feel free to add them)

And apart from the current FoTM among attention-span challenged gamers, none of those launched with housing as far as I know.

As for your omissions: FFXI, which now has housing AND a garden. also LoTRO which had it at launch I *think* or maybe an early content update.

On the other hand, GW2 hasn't got it and doesn't seem to be any the worse for that.

Vanguard did, but they made it very difficult at first...since the crafters had to skill up and make hundreds (thousands for big houses and the guild halls that came much later) bricks, shingles, etc.

Phantax

Vazkahkatz wrote: »

I would personally prefer more quests and stuff before I have my toon retire to a life of gardening and house maintenance

But we get a day off from questing, would be nice to just sit in the garden, watching the pond and downing a cold mead !

Xenite

Actually most MMO's don't have housing and the few that do most of them phone it in like SWTOR and WoW... The garrisons are gimmicky with no sense of personal style or decoration.

Unless I can have a customizable house where I can display personal touches like trophies, armor and such, why bother?

Personally I loved the housing in Wizard101 and Wildstar looks promising as well.

Phantax

Vazkahkatz wrote: »

I would personally prefer more quests and stuff before I have my toon retire to a life of gardening and house maintenance

But we get a day off from questing, would be nice to just sit in the garden, watching the pond and downing a cold mead !

phairdon

Phantax wrote: »

Vazkahkatz wrote: »

I would personally prefer more quests and stuff before I have my toon retire to a life of gardening and house maintenance

But we get a day off from questing, would be nice to just sit in the garden, watching the pond and downing a cold mead !

Yes. Loved sitting in my Skyrim lake house watching the views while giants rampaged through my property killing the guards!

Maverick827

Xenite wrote: »

Actually most MMO's don't have housing and the few that do most of them phone it in like SWTOR and WoW... The garrisons are gimmicky with no sense of personal style or decoration.

Unless I can have a customizable house where I can display personal touches like trophies, armor and such, why bother?

Personally I loved the housing in Wizard101 and Wildstar looks promising as well.

How is SWTOR's housing system phoning it in?

Audigy

When we played Alpha and Beta at WOW, we were told many things one of those was housing.

They even had the portal in town that should lead to a player housing area, yet it never came and they removed the ability to build your own house as it blocked and glitched other players.

Besides many other things that Blizzard promised and never release, the Garrison isn't a real housing either. You can not design anything, its just a pre written script that you can fulfill if you want. Yet the idea isn't bad, but its not a real housing to be honest.


As for ESO, yes we did and still do demand housing as a feature and to me it is not clear why it has not come yet. Then again, you don't know what obstacles they have with the game, maybe the Engine just doesn't allow housing who knows.

Zorrashi

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Wow has been out 10 years. With that being said it took them several years before they introduced player housing and garrisons. Zenimax has already talked about why they don't have housing at launch. They want to do it the right way and think they need to focus on it for long term development rather than just phoning it in just for the sake of doing it.

I think we can all agree that if ESO does plan housing, they should do it right. With ESO being ESO, I fully expect customization and choice. Let us hope that it becomes the best housing system in the history of MMOs.

Phantax

@Zenimax @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_PaulSage
This is the kind of thread you guys need to take notice of. And as Hugo correctly stated -

ZOS_HugoP wrote: »

And indeed, little things like that can make the immersion outstanding in a MMO.

ESO needs more of this 'if' you want it to be #1

Cogo

Phantax wrote: »

@Zenimax @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_PaulSage
This is the kind of thread you guys need to take notice of. And as Hugo correctly stated -

ZOS_HugoP wrote: »

And indeed, little things like that can make the immersion outstanding in a MMO.

ESO needs more of this 'if' you want it to be #1

They have stated housing is in the plans.

Does anyone read anything?

Most information seams to be found at tons of sides on "podcasts"
I am old fashion, so I prefer text, but it seams like most people wants to listen.

Paul Sage

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http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/22/the-elder-scrolls-online-should-still-hit-consoles-this-year

"Another feature often asked about is Player Housing; fans of previous entries in the series widely agree that owning property in Tamriel is a fairly integral part of the franchise, while MMO players tend to be keen to have somewhere to hang their hats, regardless of which fictional world it's in. Sadly, Sage says that while Player Housing would be nice, it's not likely to come until ESO has an anniversary or two."

"I will tell you that when we get to player housing, and I think it’s one of those things that when you have a game that’s been running a long time it’s one of those things you want to get to, it has to be something that’s done differently and done well," he said. "That’s about all I can tell you. We have no firm plans for anything on housing at this time."

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Paul Sage

http://fansided.com/2014/05/22/elder-scrolls-online-might-miss-release-window-next-gen-consoles/#!baPFbs

“I don’t have a date lined up, but it’s a little further out. I wouldn’t expect it in the first four updates.”

Lastly, in terms of housing, Sage said, “I will tell you that when we get to player housing, and I think it’s one of those things that when you have a game that’s been running a long time it’s one of those things you want to get to, it has to be something that’s done differently and done well.

“That’s about all I can tell you. We have no firm plans for anything on housing at this time.”

It seems like they’re are trying to add more features into the game that will give a better experience for players in the future.

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Added more links from Zenimax stating whats in their plans, and value of releasing content in their 4-6 week plan. Also, Why everything is not in game at once.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/21/the-elder-scrolls-online-first-major-update-coming-this-week

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/12/elder-scrolls-online-to-introduce-justice-system-new-storylines-and-more

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/05/01/todays-elder-scrolls-online-ama-discusses-bug-fixes-housing-s/

http://www.esohut.com/news/elder-scrolls-online-5-step-5-year-plan/

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/view/videos/gameID/821/videoId/3571

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/21/the-elder-scrolls-online-first-major-update-coming-this-week

BBSooner

It's pretty old news that housing is about a year down the list of 'TO-DO's for eso. Which, while I am vocally disappointed with, is just the way it is sadly

Which is fine, I won't have the money to sink in to a house for awhile since I have 4 chars to get through VR and gear.

Cogo

Ok. FIRST, they said there was not gonna be any housing. about 2 years ago.
Remember, they have 1 YEAR plan for this game. Not something they write up in an evening.

But from feedback and listening to their players, they added it. And said, they want to do it properly.

I see that as thinking about quality and and fitting into ESO.

Phantax

Cogo wrote: »

Ok. FIRST, they said there was not gonna be any housing. about 2 years ago.
Remember, they have 1 YEAR plan for this game. Not something they write up in an evening.

But from feedback and listening to their players, they added it. And said, they want to do it properly.

I see that as thinking about quality and and fitting into ESO.

Not that I disagree with you there Cogo, but 1-2 years is too late. Surely they must have realised that something so iconic and integral to TES should have been in this game from the start.
There is also the fact that even from the early Betas people were commenting about housing.
Personally (and this is just me) I think that Matt, Paul and whoever else is in charge of making the big decisions need to push this further along the timeline.

SantieClaws

It is a very big and complex thing to implement. You not only need the houses and how those fit in with the game world. You need a whole new system for decorating and personalising those houses. Then you need a huge range of new housing items for people to put in them. That is a massive design and programming task.

Saying that - my girl is increasingly longing for a simple tent to sleep in at the end of a long horse ride through the desert. It is hard to be a hero when you have nowhere to call home.

Phantax

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

It is a very big and complex thing to implement. You not only need the houses and how those fit in with the game world. You need a whole new system for decorating and personalising those houses. Then you need a huge range of new housing items for people to put in them. That is a massive design and programming task.

Saying that - my girl is increasingly longing for a simple tent to sleep in at the end of a long horse ride through the desert. It is hard to be a hero when you have nowhere to call home.

Apart from the fact they already have masses of relevant information on that thanks to Skyrim and Hearthfire !

Cogo

Phantax wrote: »

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

It is a very big and complex thing to implement. You not only need the houses and how those fit in with the game world. You need a whole new system for decorating and personalising those houses. Then you need a huge range of new housing items for people to put in them. That is a massive design and programming task.

Saying that - my girl is increasingly longing for a simple tent to sleep in at the end of a long horse ride through the desert. It is hard to be a hero when you have nowhere to call home.

Apart from the fact they already have masses of relevant information on that thanks to Skyrim and Hearthfire !

And if you bothered to read when they answer, they explain that a house in Skyrim is a totally different question to do in an MMO, both technology wise, how it suppose to work, build, where to build it-. Instanced.

Read a bit will ye......

Phantax

Cogo wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

It is a very big and complex thing to implement. You not only need the houses and how those fit in with the game world. You need a whole new system for decorating and personalising those houses. Then you need a huge range of new housing items for people to put in them. That is a massive design and programming task.

Saying that - my girl is increasingly longing for a simple tent to sleep in at the end of a long horse ride through the desert. It is hard to be a hero when you have nowhere to call home.

Apart from the fact they already have masses of relevant information on that thanks to Skyrim and Hearthfire !

And if you bothered to read when they answer, they explain that a house in Skyrim is a totally different question to do in an MMO, both technology wise, how it suppose to work, build, where to build it-. Instanced.

Read a bit will ye......

I'll grant you the 'where to build it' bit is probably not easy. As for the rest, this game has phasing, instancing and all that stuff in abundance. And I'm well aware of the technical differences between a stand-alone game and an MMO.

Catsmoke14

So let's talk about MMOs and all those technical difficulties. It wasn't Anarchy Online in 2001 that was first with player housing, to my knowledge it was Ultima Online in 1998 - very credible housing with storage, furniture, different styles and sizes all in a 2-D isometric game (fairly state of the art for 1998. It's now 3-D). UO housing is non-instanced, but instanced is fine and probably easier to do.

It grew afterward - they gave players the ability to build the house brick by brick to their own desires. I don't think its that hard. Somebody in authority just needs to move it up a few notches in the schedule. And they should.

Cogo

I stand corrected sir. UO did get houses, but when? The wiki didnt say when they put it in game.

However, my point with housing was that its far from new :-p