Charge&Talon Combo

JackDaniell · July 2014

Team Templar here, just confirming that I have tested this in my guild, and ANY COMBINATION OF IMMOBILIZE + A KNOWCKDOWN CREATES AN UNBREAKABLE CC.

Weather ZOS intended this or not I do not know, but you can recreate this "unbreakable" CC with ANY two skills that do this. DK's get the crap for it because they most commonly run these two CC's. THIS ISSUE NEEDS TO BE ADRESSED NOW.

Either tell us if it is supposed to be unbreakable or fix it.

Note: All CC break attempts were tested while wearing a 5 set pact medium set (30% cc break reduction) with 1921 stamina at 100% stamina.

Domander · July 2014

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david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

--"•Immunity granted by Break Free and the immunity given to you after you’re hit by a crowd control ability now provide immunity to all types of crowd control."

This is from 1.3 notes on the PTS. Will this fix the bug?

If it functions exactly as it is worded, yes.

I could see it being a problem if no one is able to root/snare after using a gap closer.

NerfEverything · July 2014

So these unbreakables stuns, so commonly abused by DKs are still not fixed. Hoping this gets addressed in 1.3

hyttemaierb16_ESO · July 2014

Since when is it an exploit using skills in this game? its a basic combo.

Honfold · July 2014

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

Since when is it an exploit using skills in this game? its a basic combo.

The stun/root combo is bugging out in Cyrodiil, having the effect of creating a permanent CC that you cannot break or roll out of.

Ifthir_ESO · July 2014

apostate9 wrote: »

In other words, you hate getting roflstomped because you suck at PVP. You wish opponents would show how elite they are, and use a broader spectrum of inefficient skill combos, thus giving you more time to spam your broken crystal shards or whatnot.

You sound mad bro, try calming down, @apostate9‌

Ifthir_ESO · July 2014

SBR_QuorTek wrote: »

If want to kill a DK.. do it ranged, it is the most annoying thing as a DK.. a couple of ranged people usually am the doom for a DK.

Yeah they definitely would never use reflective scales or just invasion you to close the gap, right?

lol

hyttemaierb16_ESO · July 2014

Honfold wrote: »

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hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

Since when is it an exploit using skills in this game? its a basic combo.

The stun/root combo is bugging out in Cyrodiil, having the effect of creating a permanent CC that you cannot break or roll out of.

While this is a major bug, what are you suggesting? I personaly use this combo, and i have yet to see anyone not rolling out of it, what i do usualy is invasion + talon, but people ignore it.. right until i use my banner, then all of a sudden they panic and CAN dodge roll out of it

there must be some other factors, to the effect you are talking about.

And you made sure you had enough stamina to roll? and did you try to interrupt? (stunbreak? left + right mouse)?

If its not that i think it can be an animation bug? invasion knocks you down (the longer the charge the longer the knockdown) im thinking when i "charge" and right away use talons, it may look like you are standing up, and you try to dodge roll, but in fact you are still lying down (try interrupt instead left + right mouse, and make sure you have 50%+ stamina to do this).

And even if this is a bug, im not gonna stop using it, that would mean i stopped pvping until they fixed it, as this is my only combo to not have a ranged kite me, if it realy is like you are saying its something zenimax should address, we just use the skills provided by the game, and that can never be an exploit.

Edit: And come to think about it, why arent you using immovable? against a DK? it works every time (you can use this skill even if you dont have ANY heavy armor pieces, just dont morph the skill).

pitdemon_ESO · July 2014

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

And even if this is a bug, im not gonna stop using it, that would mean i stopped pvping until they fixed it, as this is my only combo to not have a ranged kite me, if it realy is like you are saying its something zenimax should address, we just use the skills provided by the game, and that can never be an exploit.

Edit: And come to think about it, why arent you using immovable? against a DK? it works every time (you can use this skill even if you dont have ANY heavy armor pieces, just dont morph the skill).

Might be a bit nitpickey here, but abusing bugs in game for your own advancement is pretty much the definition of exploiting. Also, saying that abuse of said bugs is the only way that you can win a fight in PvP doesn't really say much for your fighting prowess. Just sayin

Also, if you used Immovable everytime a DK is or could be around, you would never not have that buff up. Which is actually a great strategy, except that there are limited resources to consider.

To chime in on the original post, I've been getting the unbreakable CC in Wabba more from Templars than DKs recently, and it's much worse IMO, since when fighting a DK you 1) expect it, and 2) have the lovely graphic to let you know when you can move again (if you aren't already dead).

hyttemaierb16_ESO · July 2014

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

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hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

And even if this is a bug, im not gonna stop using it, that would mean i stopped pvping until they fixed it, as this is my only combo to not have a ranged kite me, if it realy is like you are saying its something zenimax should address, we just use the skills provided by the game, and that can never be an exploit.

Edit: And come to think about it, why arent you using immovable? against a DK? it works every time (you can use this skill even if you dont have ANY heavy armor pieces, just dont morph the skill).

Might be a bit nitpickey here, but abusing bugs in game for your own advancement is pretty much the definition of exploiting. Also, saying that abuse of said bugs is the only way that you can win a fight in PvP doesn't really say much for your fighting prowess. Just sayin

Also, if you used Immovable everytime a DK is or could be around, you would never not have that buff up. Which is actually a great strategy, except that there are limited resources to consider.

To chime in on the original post, I've been getting the unbreakable CC in Wabba more from Templars than DKs recently, and it's much worse IMO, since when fighting a DK you 1) expect it, and 2) have the lovely graphic to let you know when you can move again (if you aren't already dead).

Hey i get you man, it might be fustration, i never knew it worked that way, but as a melee in any game in pvp, if you cant root or stun a ranged, you lost the fight before it started :-)

But what im saying here is, its not us DK's you should complain to, i would have to respec, and take some other CC abilities, there is pleanty of combinations around, but as far i can read its not a DK only combo, any class can do this, as far i can read in this post.

I never complain about NB's stunlocking me while i come riding peacefully on my horse :-) in fact i just smile, and think well played, and then spawn at a tent where i was riding anyway.

And for the record, i also have a veteran 5 nightblade he never gets the bug you are talking about, and trust me he gets invasion + talon comboed alot, its like DK's can smell a vampire on the field, are you sure its not an animation bug or even lag?

Edit: And btw, as i wrote the people i fight, never seem to have this issue, they ALLWAYS roll when i put down my banner, some people just seem to ignore the talons and just fight, but the second my banner comes down, they magicaly gain the power to roll out of it.

pitdemon_ESO · July 2014

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

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pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

And even if this is a bug, im not gonna stop using it, that would mean i stopped pvping until they fixed it, as this is my only combo to not have a ranged kite me, if it realy is like you are saying its something zenimax should address, we just use the skills provided by the game, and that can never be an exploit.

Edit: And come to think about it, why arent you using immovable? against a DK? it works every time (you can use this skill even if you dont have ANY heavy armor pieces, just dont morph the skill).

Might be a bit nitpickey here, but abusing bugs in game for your own advancement is pretty much the definition of exploiting. Also, saying that abuse of said bugs is the only way that you can win a fight in PvP doesn't really say much for your fighting prowess. Just sayin

Also, if you used Immovable everytime a DK is or could be around, you would never not have that buff up. Which is actually a great strategy, except that there are limited resources to consider.

To chime in on the original post, I've been getting the unbreakable CC in Wabba more from Templars than DKs recently, and it's much worse IMO, since when fighting a DK you 1) expect it, and 2) have the lovely graphic to let you know when you can move again (if you aren't already dead).

Hey i get you man, it might be fustration, i never knew it worked that way, but as a melee in any game in pvp, if you cant root or stun a ranged, you lost the fight before it started :-)

But what im saying here is, its not us DK's you should complain to, i would have to respec, and take some other CC abilities, there is pleanty of combinations around, but as far i can read its not a DK only combo, any class can do this, as far i can read in this post.

I never complain about NB's stunlocking me while i come riding peacefully on my horse :-) in fact i just smile, and think well played, and then spawn at a tent where i was riding anyway.

And for the record, i also have a veteran 5 nightblade he never gets the bug you are talking about, and trust me he gets invasion + talon comboed alot, its like DK's can smell a vampire on the field, are you sure its not an animation bug or even lag?

Edit: And btw, as i wrote the people i fight, never seem to have this issue, they ALLWAYS roll when i put down my banner, some people just seem to ignore the talons and just fight, but the second my banner comes down, they magicaly gain the power to roll out of it.

You seem like a nice fellow, so I will just say that the bug is indeed 100% recreatable using certain combinations. Maybe this thread explains it better, not sure:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/119188/the-unbreakable-cc/p1

Regarding getting stunlocked by NB's - there was a bug affecting one of our core abilities, Teleport Strike, that CC'd players (it was supposed to be PvE only). It's supposedly been fixed, but if you see it in game report it.

(It wouldn't be the first bug they said they fixed that's still around)

Honfold · July 2014

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

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Honfold wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

Since when is it an exploit using skills in this game? its a basic combo.

The stun/root combo is bugging out in Cyrodiil, having the effect of creating a permanent CC that you cannot break or roll out of.

While this is a major bug, what are you suggesting? I personaly use this combo, and i have yet to see anyone not rolling out of it, what i do usualy is invasion + talon, but people ignore it.. right until i use my banner, then all of a sudden they panic and CAN dodge roll out of it there must be some other factors, to the effect you are talking about.

And you made sure you had enough stamina to roll? and did you try to interrupt? (stunbreak? left + right mouse)?

If its not that i think it can be an animation bug? invasion knocks you down (the longer the charge the longer the knockdown) im thinking when i "charge" and right away use talons, it may look like you are standing up, and you try to dodge roll, but in fact you are still lying down (try interrupt instead left + right mouse, and make sure you have 50%+ stamina to do this).

And even if this is a bug, im not gonna stop using it, that would mean i stopped pvping until they fixed it, as this is my only combo to not have a ranged kite me, if it realy is like you are saying its something zenimax should address, we just use the skills provided by the game, and that can never be an exploit.

Edit: And come to think about it, why arent you using immovable? against a DK? it works every time (you can use this skill even if you dont have ANY heavy armor pieces, just dont morph the skill).

The bug is preventable if you block the charge/invasion or break out of it before they release talons. That may be why you are not seeing it that much. I have not been a victim of it recently as I now expect it to happen so I am always watching for the charge so I can block it.

hyttemaierb16_ESO · July 2014

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

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hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

pitdemon_ESO wrote: »

hyttemaierb16_ESO wrote: »

And even if this is a bug, im not gonna stop using it, that would mean i stopped pvping until they fixed it, as this is my only combo to not have a ranged kite me, if it realy is like you are saying its something zenimax should address, we just use the skills provided by the game, and that can never be an exploit.

Edit: And come to think about it, why arent you using immovable? against a DK? it works every time (you can use this skill even if you dont have ANY heavy armor pieces, just dont morph the skill).

Might be a bit nitpickey here, but abusing bugs in game for your own advancement is pretty much the definition of exploiting. Also, saying that abuse of said bugs is the only way that you can win a fight in PvP doesn't really say much for your fighting prowess. Just sayin

Also, if you used Immovable everytime a DK is or could be around, you would never not have that buff up. Which is actually a great strategy, except that there are limited resources to consider.

To chime in on the original post, I've been getting the unbreakable CC in Wabba more from Templars than DKs recently, and it's much worse IMO, since when fighting a DK you 1) expect it, and 2) have the lovely graphic to let you know when you can move again (if you aren't already dead).

Hey i get you man, it might be fustration, i never knew it worked that way, but as a melee in any game in pvp, if you cant root or stun a ranged, you lost the fight before it started :-)

But what im saying here is, its not us DK's you should complain to, i would have to respec, and take some other CC abilities, there is pleanty of combinations around, but as far i can read its not a DK only combo, any class can do this, as far i can read in this post.

I never complain about NB's stunlocking me while i come riding peacefully on my horse :-) in fact i just smile, and think well played, and then spawn at a tent where i was riding anyway.

And for the record, i also have a veteran 5 nightblade he never gets the bug you are talking about, and trust me he gets invasion + talon comboed alot, its like DK's can smell a vampire on the field, are you sure its not an animation bug or even lag?

Edit: And btw, as i wrote the people i fight, never seem to have this issue, they ALLWAYS roll when i put down my banner, some people just seem to ignore the talons and just fight, but the second my banner comes down, they magicaly gain the power to roll out of it.

You seem like a nice fellow, so I will just say that the bug is indeed 100% recreatable using certain combinations. Maybe this thread explains it better, not sure:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/119188/the-unbreakable-cc/p1

Regarding getting stunlocked by NB's - there was a bug affecting one of our core abilities, Teleport Strike, that CC'd players (it was supposed to be PvE only). It's supposedly been fixed, but if you see it in game report it.

(It wouldn't be the first bug they said they fixed that's still around)

It doesent seem to work for me at least, and i dont want to know how to replicate it, but i mostly open with invasion + talon, not sure what i do "wrong" to not replicate it :-) that would feel like cheating, i sometimes do invasion + talon, talon & talon if i know its a hard fight tho, to keep them in place, but then again if i werent using talons, i would most likely just use stonefist spam or power slam, as most of my damage abilities is melee range, i want my target to stay in place :-)

I can say tho, the ones who beat me easily, use immovable.

I dont think the NB's that stunlocks me is exploiting, i just think they time their abilities, and then they deserve to win :-)

apostate9 · July 2014

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

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apostate9 wrote: »

In other words, you hate getting roflstomped because you suck at PVP. You wish opponents would show how elite they are, and use a broader spectrum of inefficient skill combos, thus giving you more time to spam your broken crystal shards or whatnot.

You sound mad bro, try calming down, @apostate9‌

Wait...did you actuall just try to "u mad bro" me?

That's so cute. No I am not remotely mad, I play DK. Stop crying.

Durham · July 2014

Block more.. ?

Lava_Croft · July 2014

Durham wrote: »

Block more.. ?

That's hardly a valid solution for a very annoying bug.

Xsorus · July 2014

Its not just root

Its also Charge + things like Biting Jabs