Yeah ZOS, you really screwed the pooch with the new lighting...

Utildai

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

That's funny, I love the new lighting and it made no difference to my FPS. Nvidia Geforce 780.

I don't think it is the new lighting effects... I'm running just fine in all zones... I don't PVP so I don't know about that however.

danno8

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

Slash8915 wrote: »

Specs are:
Intel I-7 3820 @ 4.7Ghz
Asus Rampage IV Formula
x2 EVGA GTX680s @ 1300Mhz
G. Skill Sniper 16gb 4x4 @ 1666Mhz
Hitachi Deskstar 2tb Sata III
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit

The rest of it is irrelevant. I built this system about 1 1/2 years or so ago, so it's by no mean "cutting edge" anymore.

Being 1.5 years old that is still a pretty baad ass rig. It's also even more glaring that you're getting a big fps drop like that since they made SLI actually work. I'm also getting it now whereas before I would have a constant 60 plus fps with a drop to 50fps at the worst during large siege battles. The problem is definitely something new.

And my rig (I stopped over clocking it becaue it was unnecessary) is only a 3.5 ghz intel with a single gtx670 and 24gig ram.--

It now drops to 5-10 fps unless I log out/in.
When I log back in it works for a while and then inevitably it will happen again

My OS is win 8 so we can't pin it on a conflict in that department (his is win 7)

Always on MAX settings.
Also I used WireShark to watch my network connection and saw no difference in what could cause a latency issue.

I haven't read the whole thread but just wanted to comment on this. Why does everyone think it is the lighting when examples like this sound like something else? Logging in/out would o nothing to the lighting system. This sounds way more like a memory leak or something else.

Swordguy

My average framerate is usually between 40-100fps @ 1080p with settings maxed. Its an mmo with large playfields, so this seems normal to me. most of the time its between 60-80fps, but inside dungeons its always 100, and in busy areas it can dip to 40.

currently playing on:
3570k @ 4.5ghz
gtx760 @ 1280/6800
2400mhz 8GB Ram
WD Blue HDD, cached to SSD (Intel SRT)

I've tried running ESO on an A8-6600k APU at 1080p, and at medium settings I got 15-35fps, so I know the game isn't a beast, its just an mmo, which can never be optimized perfectly.

In fact, optimizations are probably why the console versions are still being delayed if I were to guess.

Deluged

I play the game all on high, no fps problems at all.





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wrlifeboil

Swordguy wrote: »

My average framerate is usually between 40-100fps @ 1080p with settings maxed. Its an mmo with large playfields, so this seems normal to me. most of the time its between 60-80fps, but inside dungeons its always 100, and in busy areas it can dip to 40.

currently playing on:
3570k @ 4.5ghz
gtx760 @ 1280/6800
2400mhz 8GB Ram
WD Blue HDD, cached to SSD (Intel SRT)

I've tried running ESO on an A8-6600k APU at 1080p, and at medium settings I got 15-35fps, so I know the game isn't a beast, its just an mmo, which can never be optimized perfectly.

In fact, optimizations are probably why the console versions are still being delayed if I were to guess.

I think they must be having problems solving the phasing issue if it's still a major problem in the pc version. Also if they are running the game mainly on a single core like the pc version, it's going to run as syrupy on the consoles as it is with the mid- to low-end pc's.

DeLindsay

wrlifeboil wrote: »

I think they must be having problems solving the phasing issue if it's still a major problem in the pc version. Also if they are running the game mainly on a single core like the pc version, it's going to run as syrupy on the consoles as it is with the mid- to low-end pc's.

Except the current gen consoles are superior to my PC and I run ESO at max setting just fine so your argument makes no sense.

theyancey

I'm sorry that you are having problems but I like the new lighting and my older 2nd gen i7 and GeForce 660 TI system run the game on ultra just fine.

Sindala

I have to give them their dues on this change.
It looks so fricking good
Maybe it because I now play on an MSI GE70 Apache with all settings at Ultra.
My god some of the scenery is so good with the new lighting effects.

It truly isn't visible if you play on medium just how much of this game your missing.

Kudos.

mutharex

Am I the only one who got a performance boost?? Not much but round 10 FPS. Went from 30ish to 40ish in combat

NVM I saw there are others. BTW ATI 7850 and i5 3470

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Cudda wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Cudda wrote: »

And you are running the game at what detail setting?

An answer of "the same settings as before 1.2.3" should be sufficient to not get this FPS drop crap. They just need to undo what they did with lighting and call it good. Probably not even noticeable anywhere cept for that screenshot they had in the patch notes, especially not while people are jetting through dungeons anyways.

Yup not sufficient, you probably were running at too high of settings for your system, and now they have added an upgrade to the graphical content, of which your system can not sustain. Lower the detail, and respond with your findings. Or, continue to have a crappy experience and whine about it.

did you not see people have already lowered all the graphix settings to minimal to no effect? There is no setting for this improved lighting.

Alphashado

I have a friend with an older rig that drops to 15 fps when it rains or gets windy. Considering his specs, it's amazing he can run the game at all. I think they have done a pretty good job optimizing for older PCs

RinaldoGandolphi

AMD CPU are not as bad as sites online will lead you to believe.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/170023-amd-vs-intel-the-ultimate-gaming-showdown-5ghz-fx-9590-vs-i7-4960x

there is a test with the FX 9590 against i7-4960x Ivy Bridge-e which is faster then has well...longstory short AMD was only 3-5% slower but the 9590 costs about 350-400 dollars less.

I never stop below 35fps with 2 r9 280x in crossfire on eso.

most bad benchmarks are from cheap motherboards....FX CPU will throttle on 970 chipsets with 4-1 power phase, use an Asus sabertooth or M5a99fx pro 2.0 990fx chipset with better mosfet cooling and more power phases and the performance difference is drastic.

is Intel faster on the high end? Yes, but AMD is perfectly fine for mud-range, and besides Mantle and direct x 12 will render Intel's single core advantage useless in the next two years as mantle and dx12 remove CPU bottlenecks anyways.

if teso has a long life, don't be surprised if zenimax ends up implementing mantle at some point because it makes sense for them to do so, especially since consoles run and CPU, direct x 12 is coming to Xbox one, and mantle to direct 12 will be a seamless port according to amd and Microsoft.

thanks to and the days of CPU bound games us coming to a close, and this is a win for all gamers.

OrangeTheCat

I think the new lighting is pretty sweet. I am not convinced that it is what is causing issues in PvP though. Give it a rest folks.

Dymence

Cudda wrote: »

Yup not sufficient, you probably were running at too high of settings for your system, and now they have added an upgrade to the graphical content, of which your system can not sustain. Lower the detail, and respond with your findings. Or, continue to have a crappy experience and whine about it.

This should not be a "deal with it" situation. They posted recommended system requirements, and if you meet those requirements, you should be able to run the game fine. Not on low settings. It's all fine and dandy if they update the graphics, as long as it doesn't suddenly cost you 20 fps or more....

Kalman

TheBull wrote: »

I've only dropped to 10fps, down from 60. I just bought a new rig a few months ago though.

I call BS unless the "New Rig" still barely meets the minimum requirements. If that is the case you need to turn of lighting anyway. My fps actually got better and I don't have a top of the line card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 Dual FTW 4GB w/ EVGA ACX Cooler

drogon1

Unlucky? I'm running a 770 graphics, and the lighting is noticeably improved. Dungeons look crisp and refreshing. I get over 70 fps for the most part (in dungeons) with occasional moments of lag (and this with a crappy Athlon processor).

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Cudda wrote: »

unfortunately most the player base complaining don't provide any useful information (Gcard use/Resolution/Quality)

If your running anything less than a 760+ series Gcard and running at 1080P+ Having 2+ monitors, and trying to play on Max settings, your probably not gonna get the best performance. 600 Series Gcards are ok, but not going to provide the same AWESOME experience they did 2 years ago. 500 Series even worse. Your 650 Tis are not high performing cards.

Also, if your running 1080P - 1440P on a single monitor and your running SLI, your probably going to get worse performance because SLI is not needed!! SLI in majority of the cases are the cause of low FPS in games like MMOs, because your cutting your performance in half, and its not being utilized.

What part of "this has nothing to do with how good or bad your rig is" don't you get yet? It's folks like you minimizing the ACTUAL issue that make ZOS take longer to fix it. But keep putting out bad information. Oh, and with SLI, you lose 50 percent on the SECOND card. So you're still getting 150 percent if the game is setup to utilize SLI (which this game does). Armchair IT person FTW. Jeebus.

In Cyrodil the issue is on ZOS's end. I could have my settings MAX or MIN and the same exact thing happens.

PVE I now have a rare occurance of a quick spike from 60 to 5 FPS and back.

daneyulebub17_ESO

OP, have you tried rebooting?

I hear that fixes problems with computer issues. Haven't ever tried it myself, tho.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

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Utildai wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

That's funny, I love the new lighting and it made no difference to my FPS. Nvidia Geforce 780.

I don't think it is the new lighting effects... I'm running just fine in all zones... I don't PVP so I don't know about that however.

its probably not entirely it no. I too run just fine until there are too many of certain effects which are unknown in my general vucinity. Since fps doesnt come back whbe you are clear away from the area of effects the issue is really deeper than simple lighting improvement. All the effects/players/whatever that get loaded by your system probably dont unload in your memory or something when they are no longer there. Something.

Fact remains that before 1.2.3, this problem didnt exist. There was no dropping to 4fps or less and staying there no matter what you do, even if you zone to an area devoid of life, with only relogging fixing it until it enevitablly happens again.

jambam817_ESO

i5 3570k @ 4.2ghz on Corsair Liquid
MSI Class 3 Mobo
eVGA GTX 780 SC with ACX cooler
16gigs ram
Soundblaster 3d Recon Soundcard
Crappy HDDs

Settings:
Ultra High, view distance down to 70 because anything over doesn't do anything IMHO
1920x1080 Fullscreen


This game ran great since Beta! Now, however, inside Delves, in Cities, Dungeons, even random open areas in PVE i get frame drops all over the place. My rig has been stable since i built it about a 1.5 years ago (started with a GTX 580), played many many hours of ESO since early release and haven't had performance issues before.

One thing I have noticed while monitoring CPU usage, my first thread Core1 or on occasion Core 2 seems to be getting battered and nears 100% usage during these times of frame drops. I understand how CPU bottlenecks work, so this might be some sort of processing for the new lighting/particle system thats bogging down the other threads.

Examples:
Doing the Poisoned Johad quest in Ala'kir or whateva, when i jumped into the rain catcher pools to hit "E" for the quest. I went from a solid 60 FPS to 15!! Just standing in water! graphic settings on default Ultra High (never had problems) using in-game FPS counter. If i moved just over the line of the water to stand on dry land, the FPS problem disappeared and all was good again.

City crafting areas, interiors (empty or full of players) and random spots in town can bring my FPS down to the low 40s, sometimes 30s! This didn't happen before the most recent patch.

Open PVE seems to be affected as well, as just being in a zone and looking a certain direction or being in a certain area causes frame drops into the 40s sometimes for me.

Rain seems to now negatively impact my performance, where before it wouldnt at all. During rains in cities or PVE zones i can see dips into 40 FPS as well.

PVP degradation i can understand, I've yet to find an MMO that has few to zero problems with mass battles. Even GW2 runs like crap in PVP. This may be an ongoing battle the devs will have to deal with.

Fairydragon3

Kalman wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

I've only dropped to 10fps, down from 60. I just bought a new rig a few months ago though.

I call BS unless the "New Rig" still barely meets the minimum requirements. If that is the case you need to turn of lighting anyway. My fps actually got better and I don't have a top of the line card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 Dual FTW 4GB w/ EVGA ACX Cooler

Kalman wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

I've only dropped to 10fps, down from 60. I just bought a new rig a few months ago though.

I call BS unless the "New Rig" still barely meets the minimum requirements. If that is the case you need to turn of lighting anyway. My fps actually got better and I don't have a top of the line card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 Dual FTW 4GB w/ EVGA ACX Cooler

note how it's just described as a new rig, not a new rig I built myself, how old the parts are, key details are important. I suspect this new rig was purchased at bestbuy, where the OP was told that the computer was good.

alos note how the OP states this is a serious issue because people can't play. Misinformation like this really annoys me because there are people looking for answers here, and because some are not very specific they will get people confused. If you can't play that means you cannot log in at all, or your experience in the ENTIRE game is unplayable. The fact that it is stated the Game is "unplayable", because there is an issue with an aspect of the game, is a blatant lie, despite the fact that part of the game is what you like to do most.

kitsinni

I thought the lighting change was only for interiors? Are you sure that is actually the issue? They changed 9GB of files it could have been quite a few things.

hk11

I cant tell any difference in performance.

Akhratos

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Kalman wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

I've only dropped to 10fps, down from 60. I just bought a new rig a few months ago though.

I call BS unless the "New Rig" still barely meets the minimum requirements. If that is the case you need to turn of lighting anyway. My fps actually got better and I don't have a top of the line card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 Dual FTW 4GB w/ EVGA ACX Cooler

Kalman wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

I've only dropped to 10fps, down from 60. I just bought a new rig a few months ago though.

I call BS unless the "New Rig" still barely meets the minimum requirements. If that is the case you need to turn of lighting anyway. My fps actually got better and I don't have a top of the line card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 Dual FTW 4GB w/ EVGA ACX Cooler

note how it's just described as a new rig, not a new rig I built myself, how old the parts are, key details are important. I suspect this new rig was purchased at bestbuy, where the OP was told that the computer was good.

alos note how the OP states this is a serious issue because people can't play. Misinformation like this really annoys me because there are people looking for answers here, and because some are not very specific they will get people confused. If you can't play that means you cannot log in at all, or your experience in the ENTIRE game is unplayable. The fact that it is stated the Game is "unplayable", because there is an issue with an aspect of the game, is a blatant lie, despite the fact that part of the game is what you like to do most.

You know that cancer kills people?

It does not mean cancer kills ALL people.


Welcome to the bugs world dude. Its 5$.

PS: By the way, you seem to be the uninformed, because the FPS drop issue happens in PVE areas as well.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Logging in/out would o nothing to the lighting system.

Wrong. It obviously reloads the scene, and in that process it resets some special effects in the graphics engine on the client side. Specifically, it removes the lingering point lights from what is probably bugged particle effects. Some spell effects seem to have had local light sources added to them in the patch. These stray particle point lights seem to be at least part of the cause of some people's problems.

Saltypretzels

how do you know the lighting is to blame?

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

We don't know, but we can form hypotheses based on observations (a k a "make educated guesses"). Several reports have mentioned "illuminated spots on the ground" in correlation with the FPS drop, and mentioned that the problem goes away when you move out of the area or face another direction.
This may not be the only cause of these problems, but it appears to be one cause of the post-1.2.3 problems for some people.

daneyulebub17_ESO

Any addons running, btw?

TheBull

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Kalman wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

I've only dropped to 10fps, down from 60. I just bought a new rig a few months ago though.

I call BS unless the "New Rig" still barely meets the minimum requirements. If that is the case you need to turn of lighting anyway. My fps actually got better and I don't have a top of the line card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 Dual FTW 4GB w/ EVGA ACX Cooler

Kalman wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

I've only dropped to 10fps, down from 60. I just bought a new rig a few months ago though.

I call BS unless the "New Rig" still barely meets the minimum requirements. If that is the case you need to turn of lighting anyway. My fps actually got better and I don't have a top of the line card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 Dual FTW 4GB w/ EVGA ACX Cooler

note how it's just described as a new rig, not a new rig I built myself, how old the parts are, key details are important. I suspect this new rig was purchased at bestbuy, where the OP was told that the computer was good.

alos note how the OP states this is a serious issue because people can't play. Misinformation like this really annoys me because there are people looking for answers here, and because some are not very specific they will get people confused. If you can't play that means you cannot log in at all, or your experience in the ENTIRE game is unplayable. The fact that it is stated the Game is "unplayable", because there is an issue with an aspect of the game, is a blatant lie, despite the fact that part of the game is what you like to do most.

i7 4820k
8gb
Gtx 660
120gb ssd

A decent rig. Like I said, for the most part, I'm ok. I only drop to 10fps (post 1.2) when there are 80+ people in the area. The crazy thing is once you leave the area, w/e your fps dropped to, it stays there. Relog and boom, back to 60+

Again pve only guy most likely has no issue, he plays on a small scale. In cryrodill we regularly play with 80+ people around plus 10-20 npcs. It's the massively multiplayer part of ESO, try it sometime.

RatsnevE

My rig is 4 years old and I don't notice any drop in fps by eye at least. I don't bother monitoring it otherwise. It's true I have SLI turned on my 570 cards but the last I heard ESO doesn't support SLI--so what do I know? True also that I don't have anything set to Ultra but everything is High--sliders only half way or so iirc. Four years ago I built this machine as high-end as I could afford and feel practical about to stave off this vary sort of problems for as long as I could. Looks like it has worked well so far. I've got a fan acting up again though... Fans have been my biggest problem--fans and keeping the dust cut down.