Yeah ZOS, you really screwed the pooch with the new lighting...

TheBull

For the first time, the game is truly unplayable for some. I'm fortunate, I've only dropped to 10fps, down from 60. I just bought a new rig a few months ago though. Others, they are down to 5fps or less, truly unplayable.

I've played a lot of mmorpgs, and have been in a lot of guilds, never have I heard 20 people in one group, in one chat so disheartened from the state of a game, a game they love.

Bats sucked, caltrops were stupid, but the game was still playable. People said they were going to quit over that stuff, but we all knew it would be fixed. People are unsubbing over this fps issue. How can you blame them? They can't play the game. The worst part is they want to!

This maybe a silly request, but can ditch the lighting in Cyrodiil? Or just revert everything except the skill fixes? I don't know what you need to do, but this is a watershed moment, where you are about to lose you pvp player base. Again how can you blame them? They can't play.

Idk, I hope you understand how serious this is. They cannot play.

txfeinbergsub17_ESO

That's funny, I love the new lighting and it made no difference to my FPS. Nvidia Geforce 780.

SystemiK

Why do so few people seem to understand that the dev's don't actually read the threads in general discussions? Sure, they have several people who's job's it is to keep us all from stabbing each other with pitchforks, but those people don't work on the game, they only manage this community.

Dude, there are ways to put your concerns in front of the devs, but this sub forum is not one of them. you might as well be talking to a lamp (and same probably goes for me).

TheBull

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

That's funny, I love the new lighting and it made no difference to my FPS. Nvidia Geforce 780.

Like I said I have a new rig, so when there are 80+ people in the area my frames drop to 10 now. Terrible, but playable. Pre patch it was a steady 30-40fps with 80+ people around.

The lighting will not be an issue for pve'rs, they play on a small scale. I don't expect them to have any idea what's going on. In Cyrodiil we play with hundreds on the regular.

Prior to the patch, you never heard anything about fps optimization, it was fricken great, on all types of systems, new and old. During large battle now, Cyrodiil turns to Ilum for a lot of people. It's that bad...

Ser Lobo

I'm kinda jealous of you guys with 60.

Right now, my character is standing stock still, and reporting 19FPS.

On a regular game night, I might get down to 5 or so, usually 12-14 average.

What I wouldn't give to be complaining about 20FPS in PVP, of all things.

TheBull

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I'm kinda jealous of you guys with 60.

Right now, my character is standing stock still, and reporting 19FPS.

On a regular game night, I might get down to 5 or so, usually 12-14 average.

What I wouldn't give to be complaining about 20FPS in PVP, of all things.

I hear man. These guys I'm talking about were happy to see 10 fps today after the "fix patch". Prior to that they were at 1fps in large battles post 1.2.

You wouldn't here a thing about fps if they were getting 20 fps.

Slash8915

I get 80-100fps in most of the game. In Cyrodiil, I get maybe 20 during large sieges, whereas I WAS getting around 40-50.

Ser Lobo

Slash8915 wrote: »

I get 80-100fps in most of the game. In Cyrodiil, I get maybe 20 during large sieges, whereas I WAS getting around 40-50.

What's your build? So I can buy it.

But for real: I've often found that certain games work better with specific chipsets and GPU's. It would be interesting to see what is considered 'native' for ESO.

Slash8915

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Slash8915 wrote: »

I get 80-100fps in most of the game. In Cyrodiil, I get maybe 20 during large sieges, whereas I WAS getting around 40-50.

What's your build? So I can buy it.

But for real: I've often found that certain games work better with specific chipsets and GPU's. It would be interesting to see what is considered 'native' for ESO.

Give me a minute to go onto my overclock.net profile to copy and paste. Otherwise I'm sure I'll forget something. Oh, and I get these results with everything maxed out at 2560x1440 res.

Slash8915

Specs are:
Intel I-7 3820 @ 4.7Ghz
Asus Rampage IV Formula
x2 EVGA GTX680s @ 1300Mhz
G. Skill Sniper 16gb 4x4 @ 1666Mhz
Hitachi Deskstar 2tb Sata III
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit

The rest of it is irrelevant. I built this system about 1 1/2 years or so ago, so it's by no mean "cutting edge" anymore.

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Slash8915 wrote: »

Specs are:
Intel I-7 3820 @ 4.7Ghz
Asus Rampage IV Formula
x2 EVGA GTX680s @ 1300Mhz
G. Skill Sniper 16gb 4x4 @ 1666Mhz
Hitachi Deskstar 2tb Sata III
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit

The rest of it is irrelevant. I built this system about 1 1/2 years or so ago, so it's by no mean "cutting edge" anymore.

Being 1.5 years old that is still a pretty baad ass rig. It's also even more glaring that you're getting a big fps drop like that since they made SLI actually work. I'm also getting it now whereas before I would have a constant 60 plus fps with a drop to 50fps at the worst during large siege battles. The problem is definitely something new.

And my rig (I stopped over clocking it becaue it was unnecessary) is only a 3.5 ghz intel with a single gtx670 and 24gig ram.--

It now drops to 5-10 fps unless I log out/in.
When I log back in it works for a while and then inevitably it will happen again

My OS is win 8 so we can't pin it on a conflict in that department (his is win 7)

Always on MAX settings.
Also I used WireShark to watch my network connection and saw no difference in what could cause a latency issue.

Cudda

And you are running the game at what detail setting?

Slash8915

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

Slash8915 wrote: »

Specs are:
Intel I-7 3820 @ 4.7Ghz
Asus Rampage IV Formula
x2 EVGA GTX680s @ 1300Mhz
G. Skill Sniper 16gb 4x4 @ 1666Mhz
Hitachi Deskstar 2tb Sata III
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit

The rest of it is irrelevant. I built this system about 1 1/2 years or so ago, so it's by no mean "cutting edge" anymore.

Being 1.5 years old that is still a pretty baad ass rig. It's also even more glaring that you're getting a big fps drop like that since they made SLI actually work. I'm also getting it now whereas before I would have a constant 60 plus fps with a drop to 50fps at the worst during large siege battles. The problem is definitely something knew.

And my rig (I stopped over clocking it becaue it was unnecessary) is only a 3.5 ghz intel with a single gtx670 and 24gig ram.--

My OS is win 8 so we can't pin it on a conflict in that department (his is win 7)

Before they added SLI support, I was getting around 60-80fps in most cases, with drops to maybe 50 in major PvP battles. So before the lighting, I was getting the same FPS in big battles with one card as I was getting with two cards. That was sort of a red flag in my mind that something was up.

Leggit

TheBull wrote: »

For the first time, the game is truly unplayable for some. I'm fortunate, I've only dropped to 10fps, down from 60. I just bought a new rig a few months ago though. Others, they are down to 5fps or less, truly unplayable.

I've played a lot of mmorpgs, and have been in a lot of guilds, never have I heard 20 people in one group, in one chat so disheartened from the state of a game, a game they love.

Bats sucked, caltrops were stupid, but the game was still playable. People said they were going to quit over that stuff, but we all knew it would be fixed. People are unsubbing over this fps issue. How can you blame them? They can't play the game. The worst part is they want to!

This maybe a silly request, but can ditch the lighting in Cyrodiil? Or just revert everything except the skill fixes? I don't know what you need to do, but this is a watershed moment, where you are about to lose you pvp player base. Again how can you blame them? They can't play.

Idk, I hope you understand how serious this is. They cannot play.

more subjective diatribe well done...the only thing you got right in this post was in your last paragraph "I don't know". that's true you don't know. you don't know that the new lighting system is causing your alleged frame rate drop and you don't know that its causing your supposed "20 friends" to have fps loss. before you embark on your next rant just stop for a moment and think to yourself; what do I actually know. i'm betting it will be a far shorter post next time if you do^^

Horrum

Sorry to hear that it's causing you trouble I love the lighting though! Hopefully they can identify the issue with some issues and optimise it.

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Leggit wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

For the first time, the game is truly unplayable for some. I'm fortunate, I've only dropped to 10fps, down from 60. I just bought a new rig a few months ago though. Others, they are down to 5fps or less, truly unplayable.

I've played a lot of mmorpgs, and have been in a lot of guilds, never have I heard 20 people in one group, in one chat so disheartened from the state of a game, a game they love.

Bats sucked, caltrops were stupid, but the game was still playable. People said they were going to quit over that stuff, but we all knew it would be fixed. People are unsubbing over this fps issue. How can you blame them? They can't play the game. The worst part is they want to!

This maybe a silly request, but can ditch the lighting in Cyrodiil? Or just revert everything except the skill fixes? I don't know what you need to do, but this is a watershed moment, where you are about to lose you pvp player base. Again how can you blame them? They can't play.

Idk, I hope you understand how serious this is. They cannot play.

more subjective diatribe well done...the only thing you got right in this post was in your last paragraph "I don't know". that's true you don't know. you don't know that the new lighting system is causing your alleged frame rate drop and you don't know that its causing your supposed "20 friends" to have fps loss. before you embark on your next rant just stop for a moment and think to yourself; what do I actually know. i'm betting it will be a far shorter post next time if you do^^

There are many times on this forum that people will sometimes exaggerate a problem. No need to be so rude.

Exaggerated or not it is an issue. Whether or not it is causing a mass exodus is debatable.

Ser Lobo

I'll be honest, it's hurt my want to PvP, running into low FPS.

But as I mentioned earlier, I know what my machine can handle and how old it is.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Cudda wrote: »

And you are running the game at what detail setting?

An answer of "the same settings as before 1.2.3" should be sufficient to not get this FPS drop crap. They just need to undo what they did with lighting and call it good. Probably not even noticeable anywhere cept for that screenshot they had in the patch notes, especially not while people are jetting through dungeons anyways.

Cudda

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Cudda wrote: »

And you are running the game at what detail setting?

An answer of "the same settings as before 1.2.3" should be sufficient to not get this FPS drop crap. They just need to undo what they did with lighting and call it good. Probably not even noticeable anywhere cept for that screenshot they had in the patch notes, especially not while people are jetting through dungeons anyways.

Yup not sufficient, you probably were running at too high of settings for your system, and now they have added an upgrade to the graphical content, of which your system can not sustain. Lower the detail, and respond with your findings. Or, continue to have a crappy experience and whine about it.

Shennynerd

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

They just need to undo what they did with lighting and call it good. Probably not even noticeable anywhere cept for that screenshot they had in the patch notes, especially not while people are jetting through dungeons anyways.

It's noticeable.

Ser Lobo

Shennynerd wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

They just need to undo what they did with lighting and call it good. Probably not even noticeable anywhere cept for that screenshot they had in the patch notes, especially not while people are jetting through dungeons anyways.

It's noticeable.

Agreed. I'm loving the changes, as far as graphics are concerned.

All that said, one of the reasons I am with ESO instead of other games is that I actually value graphic fidelity over individual game mechanics. I won't even touch a game anymore if it's stylized, cartoony or looks like anime.

Not saying those games are bad, just that I can't stand to play them anymore.

Leggit

Cudda wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Cudda wrote: »

And you are running the game at what detail setting?

An answer of "the same settings as before 1.2.3" should be sufficient to not get this FPS drop crap. They just need to undo what they did with lighting and call it good. Probably not even noticeable anywhere cept for that screenshot they had in the patch notes, especially not while people are jetting through dungeons anyways.

Yup not sufficient, you probably were running at too high of settings for your system, and now they have added an upgrade to the graphical content, of which your system can not sustain. Lower the detail, and respond with your findings. Or, continue to have a crappy experience and whine about it.

well said.

TheBull

Cudda wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Cudda wrote: »

And you are running the game at what detail setting?

An answer of "the same settings as before 1.2.3" should be sufficient to not get this FPS drop crap. They just need to undo what they did with lighting and call it good. Probably not even noticeable anywhere cept for that screenshot they had in the patch notes, especially not while people are jetting through dungeons anyways.

Yup not sufficient, you probably were running at too high of settings for your system, and now they have added an upgrade to the graphical content, of which your system can not sustain. Lower the detail, and respond with your findings. Or, continue to have a crappy experience and whine about it.

Like I said the pve only person will have no idea what's going on. He/she plays on a small scale.

inb4 I pvp - Link you rank.

Cudda

TheBull wrote: »

Cudda wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Cudda wrote: »

And you are running the game at what detail setting?

An answer of "the same settings as before 1.2.3" should be sufficient to not get this FPS drop crap. They just need to undo what they did with lighting and call it good. Probably not even noticeable anywhere cept for that screenshot they had in the patch notes, especially not while people are jetting through dungeons anyways.

Yup not sufficient, you probably were running at too high of settings for your system, and now they have added an upgrade to the graphical content, of which your system can not sustain. Lower the detail, and respond with your findings. Or, continue to have a crappy experience and whine about it.

Like I said the pve only person will have no idea what's going on. He/she plays on a small scale.

inb4 I pvp - Link you rank.

I don't have to be any sort of "rank" to PvP. I can clearly join a campaign and just run with a group of ppl and experience the same as those leet ranked players...

It doesn't matter to me, you can continue to have a bad experience if that's what you want. If your not willing to troubleshoot an issue, there's no reason to assist you with it.

Exarch

It seems odd that it would be a change to interior lighting, how much interior is there in Cyrodil?

Not that the patch notes blaming it on Grand Healing and Regeneration sound any more likely, of course...

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Leggit wrote: »

Cudda wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Cudda wrote: »

And you are running the game at what detail setting?

An answer of "the same settings as before 1.2.3" should be sufficient to not get this FPS drop crap. They just need to undo what they did with lighting and call it good. Probably not even noticeable anywhere cept for that screenshot they had in the patch notes, especially not while people are jetting through dungeons anyways.

Yup not sufficient, you probably were running at too high of settings for your system, and now they have added an upgrade to the graphical content, of which your system can not sustain. Lower the detail, and respond with your findings. Or, continue to have a crappy experience and whine about it.

well said.

K, I'll try to explain what the problem is now so you stop getting slightly confused.

In Cyrodil,

I never ran below 50 fps in even in large siege battles. Now, after a while in Cyrodil, it drops to 5 fps. This persists even once I leave a large battle. I could rez at homebase with noone around and it still stays at 5 fps.

If I port to anywhere outside of Cyrodil, it goes back to normal (a bounce between 50 and 60 no matter where I go, populated, enhanced lighting or not)

This is at MAX settings. If I drop it to the lowest possible the problem PERSISTS.

It is not an issue with how good/bad a rig is. It's happening to a lot of people so there is some sort of conflict that is causing it.

And my rig (I stopped over clocking it becaue it was unnecessary) is only a 3.5 ghz intel with a single gtx670 and 24gig ram.--

It now drops to 5-10 fps unless I log out/in.
When I log back in it works for a while and then inevitably it will happen again(ONLY in Cyrodil)

My OS is win 8 so we can't pin it on a conflict in that department (there are others having this problem with win 7 and Macs)

Always on MAX settings.

Also I used WireShark to watch my network connection and saw no difference in what could cause a latency issue.

badmojo

I didn't notice a difference until I got in a battle in Cyrodiil, frames dropped to below 30 and it was hard to play. That is, until I went into the options and turned shadows from ultra to high, after that I had no problems with fps.

Sure, it sucks that my machine should be able to do it on Ultra setting and now I can't. But, it's not like bumping it down a setting or two is going to ruin the game. I can handle a bit less graphics until they fix the FPS issues.

TheBull, is your game unplayable at the lowest settings?

Cudda

unfortunately most the player base complaining don't provide any useful information (Gcard use/Resolution/Quality)

If your running anything less than a 760+ series Gcard and running at 1080P+ Having 2+ monitors, and trying to play on Max settings, your probably not gonna get the best performance. 600 Series Gcards are ok, but not going to provide the same AWESOME experience they did 2 years ago. 500 Series even worse. Your 650 Tis are not high performing cards.

Also, if your running 1080P - 1440P on a single monitor and your running SLI, your probably going to get worse performance because SLI is not needed!! SLI in majority of the cases are the cause of low FPS in games like MMOs, because your cutting your performance in half, and its not being utilized.

michael21

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

That's funny, I love the new lighting and it made no difference to my FPS. Nvidia Geforce 780.

I have nvidea gtx 760 but i have a huge difference, please don't give you input that has no information apparently on how others have to deal with it. "thats funny", are u saying that this problem doesn't exist lol. Because it does

Cudda

Also, i have yet to hear someone having an issue with ATI cards, this may be a NVDIA only issue, which happens in MANY other games due to how NVIDIA cards handle water/lighting ETC. I played wildstar, and the water kept flashing from low res to high res textures. This was caused only by NVIDIA cards

isengrimb16_ESO

2 year old rig, after the patch I jiggied with my graphics - custom settings, they look OK (turned water reflection off though, so it always looks grey, dull and cold, which is fine and natural to my eyes), and went from 15-25 fps to 30-40 fps. Not great, sure, but a lot better than what it was.

Graphics card says it's an AMD 7660D, and I have no idea if it's any good or not, or even if I can change it with another one.