Yeah ZOS, you really screwed the pooch with the new lighting...

zScars

i promise you bats do not suck

TheBull

badmojo wrote: »

I didn't notice a difference until I got in a battle in Cyrodiil, frames dropped to below 30 and it was hard to play. That is, until I went into the options and turned shadows from ultra to high, after that I had no problems with fps.

Sure, it sucks that my machine should be able to do it on Ultra setting and now I can't. But, it's not like bumping it down a setting or two is going to ruin the game. I can handle a bit less graphics until the fix the FPS issues.

TheBull, is your game unplayable at the lowest settings?

I've been fortunate, even in the largest battles I stay around 10 fps post patch (playable), so no I haven't turned my gfx down. I still run at high/ultra with shadows at medium.

Those who have been getting 1-5 fps (unplayable) have turned theirs down though. They get about a 3-4 fps increase. One remarked "I don't care what it looks like atleast I can move."

The kicker is when the fps dips like that, it stays even after you go somewhere where there are no people. Relog, and boom back to normal (50-60 fps) until the next large battle.

badmojo

TheBull wrote: »

The kicker is when the fps dips like that, it stays even after you go somewhere where there are no people. Relog, and boom back to normal (50-60 fps) until the next large battle.

Actually, I see that as a good sign, to me it indicates it's bugged and not just a result of their new lighting system being a resource hog.

Indeed it sucks that some people are suffering from unplayable frame rates even on the lowest settings. Hope they can get it fixed soon.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Guys how many of you have the issue since patch 1.2.4? They addressed those issues, and the performance seems back no normal now.

I use a GTX780Ti @1293 and when I go to Cyrodiil I tone down lighting, shadows and general graphics. Was always like that even when I was playing DAOC, EVE Online with a graphic card that was many years newer than the game engines.

TheBull

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

Guys how many of you have the issue since patch 1.2.4? They addressed those issues, and the performance seems back no normal now.

I use a GTX780Ti @1293 and when I go to Cyrodiil I tone down lighting, shadows and general graphics. Was always like that even when I was playing DAOC, EVE Online with a graphic card that was many years newer than the game engines.

Sadly this is post 1.2.4. I said the samething, even went as far to say, "things feel great." This is while I heard people saying "They didn't fix anything" One large battle at Alessia later I saw that things were not back to normal (pre 1.2).

sungodapollo976_ESO

ESO is now the QQ game of the year, I don't have any issues with this game. My rig is older than 1 1/2 years. no prob. Just the tears flowing from y'all eyes that bug me.

SFBryan18

I'm wondering if any of you have had something happen to you which happened to my cousins system after he updated.

Basically, he complained his game was lagging bad, so I hooked up to him with team viewer and ran fraps, and he was right. His FPS was getting hit hard. It was jumping up and down, and I could not figure out why since it had not been like this before. I know because I built the system for him specifically for ESO.

After trying to lower many settings, I eventually noticed that the game launcher had opened two windows. You can only really see this if you leave full screen and then highlight the game tab to see two different windows open. I have no idea why the launcher did this, but one window was in the game and the other was at the sign in menu.

Once I closed the duplicate window, it fixed the problem. I thought my cousin had double clicked the launcher or something and I told him not to do it again, then tweaked his system to the best he could do for a cheap system to get a decent frame rate but also have quality.

Anyways, I'm curious if this was just my cousin, or if others are seeing this happen too.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

That's funny, I love the new lighting and it made no difference to my FPS. Nvidia Geforce 780.

Even on my aged 580 and even older 7870 it works fine with no FPS issues.

Cogo

Cudda wrote: »

Also, i have yet to hear someone having an issue with ATI cards, this may be a NVDIA only issue, which happens in MANY other games due to how NVIDIA cards handle water/lighting ETC. I played wildstar, and the water kept flashing from low res to high res textures. This was caused only by NVIDIA cards

What CPU you got? ESO seams to be made for Intels I7 serie.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/the-elder-scrolls-online-performance,3789-8.html

Check the rest there.

Also, how much ram you got and what bus speed?

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

@Cogo you are right.

Any AMD CPU will crumble under TESO weight, no matter what. The AMD cores are not powerfull enough, and only three games exist that scale well on the AMD 6-8 core CPUS.

TESO is using 2 core at most of the time, and indeed you need an Intel i5 or better to say that you have a machine worthy enough to play it.

And I find it normal. This is 2014. Do not expect a 2014 brand new game, with all that code and stuff, work the same as a 2005 game (WoW) with the simplistic graphics and engine.

Seriously if you have an AMD CPU, just consider even a second hand i5 2500K. You will get more performance per core surprisingly. (that explains a lot since it is many years old CPU).

That from someone who had T1090 for 3 years, and an FX8350 overclocked @ 5Ghz for few months.

Switched to an i7 and I doubt I will need a CPU upgrade for years to come. (no games use that much power).

Leggit

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

Leggit wrote: »

Cudda wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Cudda wrote: »

And you are running the game at what detail setting?

An answer of "the same settings as before 1.2.3" should be sufficient to not get this FPS drop crap. They just need to undo what they did with lighting and call it good. Probably not even noticeable anywhere cept for that screenshot they had in the patch notes, especially not while people are jetting through dungeons anyways.

Yup not sufficient, you probably were running at too high of settings for your system, and now they have added an upgrade to the graphical content, of which your system can not sustain. Lower the detail, and respond with your findings. Or, continue to have a crappy experience and whine about it.

well said.

K, I'll try to explain what the problem is now so you stop getting slightly confused.

In Cyrodil,

I never ran below 50 fps in even in large siege battles. Now, after a while in Cyrodil, it drops to 5 fps. This persists even once I leave a large battle. I could rez at homebase with noone around and it still stays at 5 fps.

If I port to anywhere outside of Cyrodil, it goes back to normal (a bounce between 50 and 60 no matter where I go, populated, enhanced lighting or not)

This is at MAX settings. If I drop it to the lowest possible the problem PERSISTS.

It is not an issue with how good/bad a rig is. It's happening to a lot of people so there is some sort of conflict that is causing it.

And my rig (I stopped over clocking it becaue it was unnecessary) is only a 3.5 ghz intel with a single gtx670 and 24gig ram.--

It now drops to 5-10 fps unless I log out/in.
When I log back in it works for a while and then inevitably it will happen again(ONLY in Cyrodil)

My OS is win 8 so we can't pin it on a conflict in that department (there are others having this problem with win 7 and Macs)

Always on MAX settings.

Also I used WireShark to watch my network connection and saw no difference in what could cause a latency issue.

I'm sry you must be confusing me with someone thats interested in your problem(s). If you are having issues (and i'm sure you are) then post in the appropriate forum. unless of course you're just here to whine about the game in which case i refer you back to my first sentence:)

Etaniel

Cudda wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Cudda wrote: »

And you are running the game at what detail setting?

An answer of "the same settings as before 1.2.3" should be sufficient to not get this FPS drop crap. They just need to undo what they did with lighting and call it good. Probably not even noticeable anywhere cept for that screenshot they had in the patch notes, especially not while people are jetting through dungeons anyways.

Yup not sufficient, you probably were running at too high of settings for your system, and now they have added an upgrade to the graphical content, of which your system can not sustain. Lower the detail, and respond with your findings. Or, continue to have a crappy experience and whine about it.

Typical guy that has never set foot in Cyrodil. Whether graphics are on absolute minimum or maximum, the fps drop is THE SAME. Everyone in Cyrodil is having it when they nget close to a zerg/large battle. ANd leaving that battle and going far away from it doesn't give you your fps back! Oh and actually saying a guy with a 680 SLI should lower graphic settings? please

Cogo

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

@Cogo you are right.

Any AMD CPU will crumble under TESO weight, no matter what. The AMD cores are not powerfull enough, and only three games exist that scale well on the AMD 6-8 core CPUS.

TESO is using 2 core at most of the time, and indeed you need an Intel i5 or better to say that you have a machine worthy enough to play it.

And I find it normal. This is 2014. Do not expect a 2014 brand new game, with all that code and stuff, work the same as a 2005 game (WoW) with the simplistic graphics and engine.

Seriously if you have an AMD CPU, just consider even a second hand i5 2500K. You will get more performance per core surprisingly. (that explains a lot since it is many years old CPU).

That from someone who had T1090 for 3 years, and an FX8350 overclocked @ 5Ghz for few months.

Switched to an i7 and I doubt I will need a CPU upgrade for years to come. (no games use that much power).

My machine is about 3 years old. Only upgrade I did was the SSD drives.

Kinda blame microsoft as much as zeni for this though.

I have a stalker. Every single post I make, I get a lol. They really need to make 2 lols. One bad one good. I prob have 99% bad.

Audigy

Prior to the patch, you never heard anything about fps optimization, it was fricken great, on all types of systems, new and old. During large battle now, Cyrodiil turns to Ilum for a lot of people. It's that bad...

You are not very well informed!

I think you just assume that everything was right because on your PC the game was ok. Fact however is, that people are complaining about the CPU bottleneck of ESO for many months now.

The lightning has zero to do with your problems, its a CPU bottleneck and we need a better multithread optimization that's all. With the increased lightning our particle density has gone up, more particles mean more draw calls and those our CPU´s cant handle.
Unless you run a very old GPU, the FPS loss has zero to do with your GPU. This isn't Crysis or space citizen which are GPU bottlenecked, this is an MMO and they are always CPU bound.

I like the new lightning and it doesn't do much harm on my system yet, but those with weaker CPU`s will now of course feel the bottleneck even more than before.

Even 30 or 40 FPS pre patch were way too low for you guys, you just didn't notice it as it was still playable for you.

If you want more performance then plead for multi thread optimization, that's the only thing that might help. Running an MMO on a single thread is horrible these days.

Murmeltier

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

Cudda wrote: »

And you are running the game at what detail setting?

An answer of "the same settings as before 1.2.3" should be sufficient to not get this FPS drop crap. They just need to undo what they did with lighting and call it good. Probably not even noticeable anywhere cept for that screenshot they had in the patch notes, especially not while people are jetting through dungeons anyways.

So as i understand, they should UNDO what they did, so the Players who have Problems can play smooth again. What about the Players who have no Problems and love the new Lightning?

For more Fairness we should say Zenimax that we need more Options to Switch off/on such new Graphics, so all Player can choose themselves if they want to use it or "UNDO" it.

So Zenimax, please gives the Players more Options to choose their Graphiclevel themselve and the Problem is solved.

MFG Murmeltier.

Cogo

Have you tried upgrade your graphic driver? And windows update?

Ashchild

and is there an option to go back to the original lighting?

I've had intermittent freezing that lasts 1-3 seconds since this recent patch. I will not conclude that the lighting is to blame, but it's a worthy possibility.

Arora

yeah, i have seen no difference either.

G0ku

Intel® Core™ i7-4770K
Z97 Chipset
NTX-770
SSD
8GB RAM

I still get drops from a constant 100fps to 5fps when entering a keep no matter which setup in grapic options, clearly not a hardware issue, or is it?

Cogo

I really dont think the lag you get has anything to do with the lightning. I can be wrong, but Zeni didnt add anything, they just "switched on" a supported feature of most graphic cards. For me, I got better graphic AND better performance.

I read about it on Tomshardware, and they said the same thing, its the card working, not your cpu.

I am not sure though, but in general, if most people have this and dont have lag from it....does it valid a rollback? Friendly question. No fair on you...I know.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Browsing through some other sections of this forum, it appears that at least one of the issues is with particle effects. In addition to the revamped windows and rune stones, ZOS decided to add point light sources to particle effects from certain spells, and sometimes those light sources do not turn off after they hit the ground and the spell has ended. Large battles will leave hundreds of stray light sources around, causing a severe FPS drop when you view the battlefield. Logging out resets the graphics engine and removes the lingering particle effects.

Why this only happens for some people and not for everyone is a mystery, though.

Cogo

Ok, but again, we talking about 2 thing. In cyro. MAJOR PROBLEM, FIX IT!
Outside Cyro....no lag problem, improved phasing and I do dare to say some improvement to performance. I can only guess that's server side.

Shadowhorn

You guys are either dedicated fanboys or have never been in Cyrodiil and actually fighting. Before 1.2.3 I had no issues with FPS nowhere in the game.

After 1.2.3 patch I get sooner or later 5FPS solid in Cyrodiil when fighting and even in some dungeons - Gargoyle boss in Spindleclutch - all of a sudden game went to 2FPS. Relog fixed it but still. So yeah, it must be my computer, Windows or antivirus. This is ridiculous.

It must be the supposedly great "light effect" they added which is causing this.

I say again you may have not experienced this because it only happens under some circumstances but they are met in PvP very often - some spell or cast must be causing this, not sure which.

SFBryan18

Sounds like lag.

Tabbycat

I don't think they need to revert the lighting. Instead there should just be an option for you to turn it off yourself in the graphics settings.

Zebug

Just don't go PvP.... Problem solved and you are welcome

DeLindsay

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

That's funny, I love the new lighting and it made no difference to my FPS. Nvidia Geforce 780.

^ This, although I only have a GTX 560 Ti. The new lighting makes the game even more gorgeous and had no ill effect on my FPS whatsoever and my PC is sub $700, 3 years ago and on TWC (lols) so maybe it's time people stop playing games on potatoes

wrlifeboil

DeLindsay wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

That's funny, I love the new lighting and it made no difference to my FPS. Nvidia Geforce 780.

^ This, although I only have a GTX 560 Ti. The new lighting makes the game even more gorgeous and had no ill effect on my FPS whatsoever and my PC is sub $700, 3 years ago and on TWC (lols) so maybe it's time people stop playing games on potatoes

It's funny and ironic that players with high end i7 rigs are complaining about fps. I say to them welcome to the world in which most of the players are in. I guess they are finding out that they aren't as good as they thought they were. It's hard to gank players who have lower end systems when playing with comparable fps, eh?

Koshchei

What are you talking about, OP? It looks amazing. There is absolutely zero performance penalty for it either.

If I was you, I'd upgrade from the 386SX you're running the game on.

DeLindsay

wrlifeboil wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

That's funny, I love the new lighting and it made no difference to my FPS. Nvidia Geforce 780.

^ This, although I only have a GTX 560 Ti. The new lighting makes the game even more gorgeous and had no ill effect on my FPS whatsoever and my PC is sub $700, 3 years ago and on TWC (lols) so maybe it's time people stop playing games on potatoes

It's funny and ironic that players with high end i7 rigs are complaining about fps. I say to them welcome to the world in which most of the players are in. I guess they are finding out that they aren't as good as they thought they were. It's hard to gank players who have lower end systems when playing with comparable fps, eh?

Rift had the same problem in Conquest. Players with older laptops usually had reasonable FPS when people with the latest and greatest gaming rigs suffered so bad it was nothing but screen shots. Maybe that's what's happening here? I don't know because my PC specs are nothing to shake a stick at and I play at max settings and ave 50-60 FPS all the time, except I drop to about 28 FPS at a keep in Cyro (post 1.2.4). Still, my 28 FPS in Cyro is a million times better than players reporting 2 FPS so I'm happy. My system

Gen 1 Core i5 2.8ghz
8gb Corsair 1600 mhz RAM
GTX 560 Ti
24" monitors (dual) @1920x1080
Time Warner Cable 30Mb internet (not that we EVER get 30Mb)