Armour sets after update!

yelloweyedemon

Not sure if more armour sets are affected, but Night's Silence 3 bonus set is a mess...

Tooltip saying : Increases sneaking speed by 220%. While that would be the definition of god-mode, it is not even working...

If any other sets have problems please state so here.

Tai

Hunding's rage is not showing the three pieces stamina buff on character sheet (i suspect it is also not applying it).

Lynx7386

I love that they've changed the night's silence 3 piece bonus (40% health regen while hidden was a very lame bonus...), but yea, I'm fairly sure it's supposed to be 22% extra movement speed rather than 220%.

That said, it doesnt actually work right now, so we went from a mostly useless set bonus to a completely useless set bonus.

Hope they get this fixed soon.

yelloweyedemon

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I love that they've changed the night's silence 3 piece bonus (40% health regen while hidden was a very lame bonus...), but yea, I'm fairly sure it's supposed to be 22% extra movement speed rather than 220%.

That said, it doesnt actually work right now, so we went from a mostly useless set bonus to a completely useless set bonus.

Hope they get this fixed soon.

Yeh agreed, but I hope it does not stack with vampirism dark stalker buff (When ZoS decides that the set works). Along with concealed weapon vamps gonna have sprint speed while stealthed -.-

Saet

Shhhh. I want sprint speed while stealthed!
I do hope they fix this. If so I'll probably finally drop the vampire line. I'd love to have a medium armor set that nullifies the speed penalty to sneaking. It should have been on medium armor to begin with since thats more along the lines of a traditional rogue/assassin.

yelloweyedemon

Saet wrote: »

Shhhh. I want sprint speed while stealthed!
I do hope they fix this. If so I'll probably finally drop the vampire line. I'd love to have a medium armor set that nullifies the speed penalty to sneaking. It should have been on medium armor to begin with since thats more along the lines of a traditional rogue/assassin.

You are a fanger! You only deserve silver shards to the chest!

But in a serious note it would be too overkill if vamps had access to 3 sneak speed boosts. Nightblades should have the most powerfull stealth in game and currently it;s vamps that are in #1 place.

Azzuria

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Nightblades should have the most powerfull stealth in game and currently it;s vamps that are in #1 place.

Agreed. NBs as a class should be the single fastest sneaks in the game. It's pretty much a class design.

yelloweyedemon

Azzuria wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Nightblades should have the most powerfull stealth in game and currently it;s vamps that are in #1 place.

Agreed. NBs as a class should be the single fastest sneaks in the game. It's pretty much a class design.

And the only way for us to do so is by wasting a 40% armour debuff, just to get on par with vampires...

Well at least those 2 days I've killed more vamps than van helsing himself.

Varicite

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Nightblades should have the most powerfull stealth in game and currently it;s vamps that are in #1 place.

Agreed. NBs as a class should be the single fastest sneaks in the game. It's pretty much a class design.

And the only way for us to do so is by wasting a 40% armour debuff, just to get on par with vampires...

Well at least those 2 days I've killed more vamps than van helsing himself.

Vampires aren't a class...

yelloweyedemon

Varicite wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Nightblades should have the most powerfull stealth in game and currently it;s vamps that are in #1 place.

Agreed. NBs as a class should be the single fastest sneaks in the game. It's pretty much a class design.

And the only way for us to do so is by wasting a 40% armour debuff, just to get on par with vampires...

Well at least those 2 days I've killed more vamps than van helsing himself.

Vampires aren't a class...

yet they have equal stealth speed with an actual class...

Sleevez340

Varicite wrote: »

Vampires aren't a class...

Holy crap, are you like a detective or something? How did you figure that out?

DeLindsay

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Saet wrote: »

Shhhh. I want sprint speed while stealthed!
I do hope they fix this. If so I'll probably finally drop the vampire line. I'd love to have a medium armor set that nullifies the speed penalty to sneaking. It should have been on medium armor to begin with since thats more along the lines of a traditional rogue/assassin.

You are a fanger! You only deserve silver shards to the chest!

But in a serious note it would be too overkill if vamps had access to 3 sneak speed boosts. Nightblades should have the most powerfull stealth in game and currently it;s vamps that are in #1 place.

NB does have the fastest Sneak speed in the game. But as you've noted in other threads about this exact same topic, you refuse to use the tools ZoS has made available to you as a NB to give you that speed. Instead you want the devs to remove something from someone else and give it to you all because you say that's how it should be. Sorry, the real world doesn't work that way.

NB is the fastest capable Sneaking "Class" in the game, period.

kijima

^ Mhm

yelloweyedemon

DeLindsay wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Saet wrote: »

Shhhh. I want sprint speed while stealthed!
I do hope they fix this. If so I'll probably finally drop the vampire line. I'd love to have a medium armor set that nullifies the speed penalty to sneaking. It should have been on medium armor to begin with since thats more along the lines of a traditional rogue/assassin.

You are a fanger! You only deserve silver shards to the chest!

But in a serious note it would be too overkill if vamps had access to 3 sneak speed boosts. Nightblades should have the most powerfull stealth in game and currently it;s vamps that are in #1 place.

NB does have the fastest Sneak speed in the game. But as you've noted in other threads about this exact same topic, you refuse to use the tools ZoS has made available to you as a NB to give you that speed. Instead you want the devs to remove something from someone else and give it to you all because you say that's how it should be. Sorry, the real world doesn't work that way.

NB is the fastest capable Sneaking "Class" in the game, period.

The fastest sneak in game coming from skills only, is given to vampires.

A NB vampire is still a Vampire. It has nothing to do with the NB class.

In order for NB's to get the vampire speed, they need to be forced to wear a V6 Light Armour, which I don't think it's an actual option...

So please, tell us how a NB has the fastest sneak in game...

DeLindsay

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

NB is the fastest capable Sneaking "Class" in the game, period.

The fastest sneak in game coming from skills only, is given to vampires.

A NB vampire is still a Vampire. It has nothing to do with the NB class.

In order for NB's to get the vampire speed, they need to be forced to wear a V6 Light Armour, which I don't think it's an actual option...

So please, tell us how a NB has the fastest sneak in game...
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You can spin it however you like to it doesn't change the fact that NB is capable of the highest sneak speed in the game. It doesn't matter if YOU don't want to use the tools ZoS has given everyone (Vampire, Shadow Dancer set) the fact is NB is the fastest.

yelloweyedemon

DeLindsay wrote: »

You can spin it however you like to it doesn't change the fact that NB is capable of the highest sneak speed in the game. It doesn't matter if YOU don't want to use the tools ZoS has given everyone (Vampire, Shadow Dancer set) the fact is NB is the fastest.

Shadow dancer is a V6 armour. It is clearly not an option, and I won't mention the fact that it is light armour.

So by your "logic", using the tools ZoS gave me means that every NB should be a vampire right? ...

DeLindsay

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Shadow dancer is a V6 armour. It is clearly not an option, and I won't mention the fact that it is light armour.

So by your "logic", using the tools ZoS gave me means that every NB should be a vampire right? ...

Ok lets use your "logic" to see how this pans out. You say that NB should be the fastest sneaking Class in the game (which it can be) and should have the Dark Stalker passive instead of the Vampire tree. You have also said that NB is the ONLY Class that operates in Stealth, a comment that I showed was incorrect. So where is this assumption coming from, YOUR interpretation of what a Nightblade SHOULD be and not what it CAN be? I don't remember anything in ZoS's posts, the character creation screen or any videos that states that NB is nothing but a super fast stealth based Class than none other can compete with.

Every Class can operate in Stealth, NB can be the fastest. It's absurd to ask ZoS to remove something from other players and give it to you because you don't like it and won't use the tools given to you (become a Vampire or level to VR6 and use Shadow Dancer). Simply put, if you want to be the fastest sneaking player in the game you choose NB and either Vampire or wait until VR6 and the Shadow Dancer set and you place Concealed Weapon on your bar(s).

yelloweyedemon

DeLindsay wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Shadow dancer is a V6 armour. It is clearly not an option, and I won't mention the fact that it is light armour.

So by your "logic", using the tools ZoS gave me means that every NB should be a vampire right? ...

Ok lets use your "logic" to see how this pans out. You say that NB should be the fastest sneaking Class in the game (which it can be) and should have the Dark Stalker passive instead of the Vampire tree. You have also said that NB is the ONLY Class that operates in Stealth, a comment that I showed was incorrect. So where is this assumption coming from, YOUR interpretation of what a Nightblade SHOULD be and not what it CAN be? I don't remember anything in ZoS's posts, the character creation screen or any videos that states that NB is nothing but a super fast stealth based Class than none other can compete with.

Every Class can operate in Stealth, NB can be the fastest. It's absurd to ask ZoS to remove something from other players and give it to you because you don't like it and won't use the tools given to you (become a Vampire or level to VR6 and use Shadow Dancer). Simply put, if you want to be the fastest sneaking player in the game you choose NB and either Vampire or wait until VR6 and the Shadow Dancer set and you place Concealed Weapon on your bar(s).

I never said that Nb is the only class that operates in stealth. Stop making facts. I said that NB is the only class thet RELIES on stealth to win fights. Both Shadow and assassination lines, have either traits or skills, that require you to be stealthed/invisible, in order to use them to their full potential. No other class has that. That's why NB's should excell in stealth.

Also shadow dancer's set is V6, which is much lower than the rank cap, and it's light armour, which a NB assassin has no use of.

Finally, I never said to remove Dark Stalker, I just suggested to change it. You can't have a normal conversation, that's why you keep making facts and fail to see my point.

Gilvoth

Saet wrote: »

I want sprint speed while stealthed!
I do hope they fix this. I'd love to have a medium armor set that nullifies the speed penalty to sneaking. It should have been on medium armor to begin with since thats more along the lines of a traditional rogue/assassin.

absolutely correct and i agree 100% we want the same thing on this subject.

DeLindsay

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

I never said that Nb is the only class that operates in stealth. Stop making facts. I said that NB is the only class thet RELIES on stealth to win fights. Both Shadow and assassination lines, have either traits or skills, that require you to be stealthed/invisible, in order to use them to their full potential. No other class has that. That's why NB's should excell in stealth.

Also shadow dancer's set is V6, which is much lower than the rank cap, and it's light armour, which a NB assassin has no use of.

Finally, I never said to remove Dark Stalker, I just suggested to change it. You can't have a normal conversation, that's why you keep making facts and fail to see my point.

You sure you want to make those assertions? I can easily quote from multiple threads where you have in fact said the things I comment on, some word for word. It all comes down to YOU being unhappy with the way the "Class" system is in regards to NB and you want Zos to change it to suit YOU. Not everyone plays NB as a sneaky type Class, I for one ran my main as a Bow type ranged NB with Healing off-spec. Many people play OTHER Classes as a sneaky type Class. Why should ZoS change it to suit your playstyle but not change things to suit other people's playstyle?

EDIT: I should mention that I'm all for ZoS adding a passive for NB to negate sneak speed penalty, but NOT if it costs Vampires the Dark Stalker passive or removes the Shadow Dancer set from the game.

yelloweyedemon

DeLindsay wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

I never said that Nb is the only class that operates in stealth. Stop making facts. I said that NB is the only class thet RELIES on stealth to win fights. Both Shadow and assassination lines, have either traits or skills, that require you to be stealthed/invisible, in order to use them to their full potential. No other class has that. That's why NB's should excell in stealth.

Also shadow dancer's set is V6, which is much lower than the rank cap, and it's light armour, which a NB assassin has no use of.

Finally, I never said to remove Dark Stalker, I just suggested to change it. You can't have a normal conversation, that's why you keep making facts and fail to see my point.

You sure you want to make those assertions? I can easily quote from multiple threads where you have in fact said the things I comment on, some word for word. It all comes down to YOU being unhappy with the way the "Class" system is in regards to NB and you want Zos to change it to suit YOU. Not everyone plays NB as a sneaky type Class, I for one ran my main as a Bow type ranged NB with Healing off-spec. Many people play OTHER Classes as a sneaky type Class. Why should ZoS change it to suit your playstyle but not change things to suit other people's playstyle?

EDIT: I should mention that I'm all for ZoS adding a passive for NB to negate sneak speed penalty, but NOT if it costs Vampires the Dark Stalker passive or removes the Shadow Dancer set from the game.

You keep making facts dude... I never said that I want them to change NB, and I know not all the players play a sneaky NB, but what that has to do with my point?

I never said to remove Dark Stalker or Shadow Dancer's set. I said it needs an alteration because it is too powerfull at its current form.

Now in before you throw more irrelevant stuff on me, this is a thread about armour sets bonuses. The vampire Dark Stalker discussion is on my other thread on Alliance War.

DeLindsay

So apparently ZoS added Shadow Dancer at lower levels at some point and various websites never updated with that info. My GB right now has a level 37 and level 40 chest (yes it's still Light Armor) right now and the 5pc is still negation of movement speed penalty. So looks like those tools ZoS gives you as a NB to be faster are even wider spread than either of us thought, enjoy.

yelloweyedemon

DeLindsay wrote: »

So apparently ZoS added Shadow Dancer at lower levels at some point and various websites never updated with that info. My GB right now has a level 37 and level 40 chest (yes it's still Light Armor) right now and the 5pc is still negation of movement speed penalty. So looks like those tools ZoS gives you as a NB to be faster are even wider spread than either of us thought, enjoy.

Yes I should definatelly wear a lvl 37 or a v6 light armour on my V12 NB.

Yet another awesome argument! Thanks!

DeLindsay

You are most welcome, glad I could be of assistance.

Creslian7

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Not sure if more armour sets are affected, but Night's Silence 3 bonus set is a mess...

Tooltip saying : Increases sneaking speed by 220%. While that would be the definition of god-mode, it is not even working...

If any other sets have problems please state so here.

220% stealth speed would be 10% faster than normal speed. I think they would be better off just making it ignore the movement speed penalty in stealth, it would be 10% slower but then couldn't be modified by vampires with dark stalker.

DeLindsay

Creslian7 wrote: »

220% stealth speed would be 10% faster than normal speed. I think they would be better off just making it ignore the movement speed penalty in stealth, it would be 10% slower but then couldn't be modified by vampires with dark stalker.

If it isn't just a tool tip bug then it wouldn't stack with Dark Stalker anyway, since Shadow Dancer doesn't. If ZoS changed this crafted set bonus in some attempt to appease the Vampire haters and 'NB is the only Stealth Class, remove Dark Stalker from Vampires' folks then they need to actually fix it. Me and several others have tested it with Vampire and non-Vampire and at this time it doesn't work at all.

yelloweyedemon

DeLindsay wrote: »

Creslian7 wrote: »

220% stealth speed would be 10% faster than normal speed. I think they would be better off just making it ignore the movement speed penalty in stealth, it would be 10% slower but then couldn't be modified by vampires with dark stalker.

If it isn't just a tool tip bug then it wouldn't stack with Dark Stalker anyway, since Shadow Dancer doesn't. If ZoS changed this crafted set bonus in some attempt to appease the Vampire haters and 'NB is the only Stealth Class, remove Dark Stalker from Vampires' folks then they need to actually fix it. Me and several others have tested it with Vampire and non-Vampire and at this time it doesn't work at all.

[Snip] You are having the impression that people are asking for Dark Stalker to be removed.

Also The shadow dancer's set negates the sneaking movement penalty. So does Dark slaker. That's why they don't stack.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

CaptainSilverbrow

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Also The shadow dancer's set negates the sneaking movement penalty. So does Dark slaker. That's why they don't stack.

Nuh-uh, as a Vampire, I should totes be regenerating stamina while stealthed and moving at the speed of sound so long as these are working as intended.

dsalter

DeLindsay wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Saet wrote: »

Shhhh. I want sprint speed while stealthed!
I do hope they fix this. If so I'll probably finally drop the vampire line. I'd love to have a medium armor set that nullifies the speed penalty to sneaking. It should have been on medium armor to begin with since thats more along the lines of a traditional rogue/assassin.

You are a fanger! You only deserve silver shards to the chest!

But in a serious note it would be too overkill if vamps had access to 3 sneak speed boosts. Nightblades should have the most powerfull stealth in game and currently it;s vamps that are in #1 place.

NB does have the fastest Sneak speed in the game. But as you've noted in other threads about this exact same topic, you refuse to use the tools ZoS has made available to you as a NB to give you that speed. Instead you want the devs to remove something from someone else and give it to you all because you say that's how it should be. Sorry, the real world doesn't work that way.

NB is the fastest capable Sneaking "Class" in the game, period.

the 3 set bonus and vampirism is the only way a non-NB stealth combatant is going to be able to stealth initiate well in PvP especially Sorc ones as i'v proven in the past.

also it was ment to be 20% not 220%, odds are an idiot double tapped 2

khele23eb17_ESO

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Nightblades should have the most powerfull stealth in game and currently it;s vamps that are in #1 place.

Agreed. NBs as a class should be the single fastest sneaks in the game. It's pretty much a class design.

And the only way for us to do so is by wasting a 40% armour debuff, just to get on par with vampires...

Well at least those 2 days I've killed more vamps than van helsing himself.

You seem to be under the impression NB skills do what the tooltips suggest. They do not. Concealed weapon doesnt increase sneak speed. It increases cloaked movement speed only.

DeLindsay

dsalter wrote: »

the 3 set bonus and vampirism is the only way a non-NB stealth combatant is going to be able to stealth initiate well in PvP especially Sorc ones as i'v proven in the past.

also it was ment to be 20% not 220%, odds are an idiot double tapped 2

Actually ZoS confirmed sometime after my comment that the corrected speed boost while sneaking for that set will be 60% and changed in update 3.

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Nightblades should have the most powerfull stealth in game and currently it;s vamps that are in #1 place.

Agreed. NBs as a class should be the single fastest sneaks in the game. It's pretty much a class design.

And the only way for us to do so is by wasting a 40% armour debuff, just to get on par with vampires...

Well at least those 2 days I've killed more vamps than van helsing himself.

You seem to be under the impression NB skills do what the tooltips suggest. They do not. Concealed weapon doesnt increase sneak speed. It increases cloaked movement speed only.

Concealed Weapon does in fact increase normal Sneaking speed. For those NB's who do not have the Shadow Dancer set or Dark Stalker in the Vampire tree it's barely noticeable which is why many think it's broken.