Nightblade nerfed and DK/Sorc buffed?!

kijima

Since WoW? kekeke

killedbyping

What is the point of Making Ardent flame passives to only affect it's skill lane ?
It is not like Destro stuff benefits from ardent flame passives, it is the other way around.
The Destro stuff give nice buffs to Ardent flame skills.
Peeps around use Flame stuff not because they get huge buff from DK's passive to deal Huge dmg with Destro stuff skills. 5% buff to light and heavy attacks ? srsly ?. Infact, Destro stuff skills are most weakest among all weapon skills and it will remain so untill it will start to benefit from spell damage instead of weapon damage and Destro stuff itself will give you SPELL damage instead of Weapon damage.
Wearing Flame stuff give you 5% additional spell crit when using any fire spells and other Destro fire related passive bonuses.

I also dont understand why is this change was even made ? Most of other class passives give you benefits regardless of what type of weapon or skills you use and affect all of the combat or surviving aspects while you have atleast 1 skill of this lane slotted.
This is just straight class discrimination.

Im sorry to say that, but this change looks pretty much re*tard*ed.

skitoman99

I play from the first day this game came out.I started a NB having in my mind a stealthy rogue with backstabs.Even though the shadow cloak was totally useless in pvp since dots fly everywhere and u cant use your major skill that defines the rogue gameplay...i was patient and said its ok sooner or later they will fix it.Now after 2 and half months i see nothing..on the contrary i see only nerf.If u also add the dual wield bug (u know try to sneak and heavy attack someone with 2 handed-1 handed and duals and tell me what u see)...feels like i wasted 2 months for nothing.So warning to the other ppl who want to play dual wield rogue. NB IS NOT THIS.I read that it can be a nice healer...a nice tank....i say go f*ck yourselves if i want a tank i make DK...if i want a healer ill make Templar...so basically 1 out of 4 classes is useless.Anyway i rolled a sorc now and i fry the universe....just warning the ppl so they wont waste 2 months to get NB to vr12 and see how useless he is.

Taiminator

"•Magicka Flood: This ability now correctly increases your maximum magicka."

Anyone else found this to be another lie? Still doesn't work for me. I've been submitting bug reports about this issue from week 1. How can we get it fixed?

IceDread

My sourcs is till the most powerful class, 50% crit, does not have to worry about skills being based on stamina /weapon crit and can get heals when I crit. The damage is huge.

My nightblade, lvl 48, is on a slow walk, I left him earlier when there was so many bugged abilities. Sure go restro/destro and it does not matter the class but still, annoying and weak compared to the others overall.

My DK well it's powerful, no doubt about it. Not as powerful as my sourcs thou but it is a powerhouse.
However, the nerft to fire damage to only give bonus to class skills that deals fire damage, takes away some feeling from the game. That's the wrong way to balance DK to bring him in line.

Also, I do not see a fix to DK projectile reflect that costs a lot of magica (lasts 4s) and also makes me in pvp have to pay for the oponents magica and stamina. The other classes similar skills here are not bugged like this and there is not info about this in the skill. Makes you a dead player in pvp if you use it against more than one player. Suddenly, you can't do anything and you can't get away ether because you have no magica or stamina.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

The day when I would believe the NB cry babies that they received a nerf, is the day the Ambush ability will be removed from game.

Until then, and as long as they have that ability, their cries make me only laugh.

Therium104

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<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/1813388/Axer">Axer</a> said:</div>
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Only they also stealth nerfed templars.<br>
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Our most useful ultimate was nerfed from 8.5 seconds down to 4 seconds.<br>
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And supposedly this patch is meant to buff templars. Really isn't. Minor dps increase for such a severe healing/defense nerf isn't my kind of trade off considering the class will still suck overall for dps compared to sorc/dk.<br>
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So yea, par for the course. Buff dk/sor. Nerf NB/Templar, lie about it in the patch notes.<br>
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Pretty much identical to what happened in the last major update (1.1 crags).</div>
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You are just a low tier player who is unable to use your class effectively. The devs cannot balance to the lowest skill player. That would be unfair. These forums are filled with bad players crying for buffs due to incompetence and lack of skill. The devs cannot fix your problem. It is you.

altrego9920_ESO

You are just a low tier player who is unable to use your class effectively. The devs cannot balance to the lowest skill player. That would be unfair. These forums are filled with bad players crying for buffs due to incompetence and lack of skill. The devs cannot fix your problem. It is you.[/quote]

That kind of thinking right there is why NB and stam abilities in general are in such a sorry state. It has been stated many MANY times that yes you *can* play a NB .... BUT... what does a NB bring to the party that another class does not do 10x better? heals? dps? tanking?? I now have 3 VR chars, a NB (my first) a Sorc and finally a DK, its not the fact that I want NB to be OP, but damn it I expect them to be able to perform at the same level as any other class, right now they are.... meh.... they have an interesting ultimate, that's it. If i want damage or healing ill bring my sorc, if i want damage or tanking ill bring my DK. If i want to slow the trials down to a crawl.... ill bring a NB. How can you not understand this?

hasselhoffman

You know what would be really nice if they fixed the hallmark of Nightblades, which is stealth. Two months later after launch and it's still broke but ZoS can keep adding more content to the game without fixing the existing material. I'm pretty damn sick of getting knocked out my stealth due to an AoE spammer. I'll stop whining, but seriously it's bullcrap.

Mosha

@Anjelicus‌ what do u mean? Just a waste of a slot or a useless skill?

Ohioastro

OK people. Let's say that you care about...stamina. Nightblades used to have an ability that gave stamina regen when stealthed. It now works all of the time. Medium armor reduces stamina costs now (in addition to previous abilities.) Bow abilities were dramatically buffed. Some weapon ones were too - and, more to the point, a typical NB build can now afford to use a lot more stamina abilities quickly. You get much improved critical damage for stealth hits. You can double tap mobs with Snipe if you time it right.

In short: play the game and see. If you're a medium armor Bow / DW NB you just got a lot stronger. Scanning a list of patch notes is not the same as playing the game.

aipex8_ESO

Ashchild wrote: »

I wanted patch 1.2 to address light armor vs medium and heavy, and the inferiority of melee so badly. If you balance those first, I imagine the balancing the four "classes" would be a lot easier.

Still, cant wait to re-try my medium armor again. :P

That's exactly what this patch did! My stamina/melee build has improved dramatically with this patch. The buff to the DW skill Rapid Strikes, the changes to Twin Blade and Blunt, and the buff to Medium Armor passive Wind Walker has upped my damage while making my stamina last significantly longer. Combined with some of the NB buffs (Refreshing Shadows, etc.) I'm feeling way more powerful!

SBR_QuorTek

Ohioastro wrote: »

OK people. Let's say that you care about...stamina. Nightblades used to have an ability that gave stamina regen when stealthed. It now works all of the time. Medium armor reduces stamina costs now (in addition to previous abilities.) Bow abilities were dramatically buffed. Some weapon ones were too - and, more to the point, a typical NB build can now afford to use a lot more stamina abilities quickly. You get much improved critical damage for stealth hits. You can double tap mobs with Snipe if you time it right.

In short: play the game and see. If you're a medium armor Bow / DW NB you just got a lot stronger. Scanning a list of patch notes is not the same as playing the game.

I completely agree to this, also well for my DK... it was not really buffing them up but fixing some problems... can also account for that was a nice change in game alongside with my vr12 Nightblade that also got quite a bit more efficient.. I mean I was insanely good before on my NB even without all this new stuff.

To the Op:
to the people yelling and screaming spending all their time on the forums... get out there and play the game before you forget in how to play it all..... just some good advice, no need to make assumptions for something they clearly do not understand.

LadyDestiny

My damage as a nb went down the toilet after this patch. I had difficulty before in Vr zones, but nothing like I experienced yesterday. Maybe it is much better in PVP, but PVE is not faring so well trying to do content solo. CC immunities and whirlwind are just a joke Only to be one shot by some OP npc while you are stunned, knocked down because block is still not working with some skills bugging it out. Time to go full out light and staff I guess.

Selodaoc

I always walk around with 50+ crystals becouse i know ill die alot soloing

Viscidous

Never imagined the feedback id get with this post haha. Glad to see a lot of issues with NB brought up and maybe the dev's paid attention enough and will eventually do something about it. If not oh well, i enjoy the class and will continue to play it. Im leveling a sorc alt just to blow *** up and be op like everyone else but my nb will always be my main. Lets just hope it doesnt take ZoS 2 years to fix NB like it took the morons from SWToR to fix my assassin.

Anjelicus

so my NB does about up to 1200 dps on first boss, 1000 2nd, 1000 3rd, 1000 4th boss.... im pretty sure we weren't nerfed lol

Anjelicus

in AA

Viscidous

Anjelicus wrote: »

so my NB does about up to 1200 dps on first boss, 1000 2nd, 1000 3rd, 1000 4th boss.... im pretty sure we weren't nerfed lol

I can guarantee your neither bow or duel wield either. As i said if i wanted to go destro staff or 2 hander sure those numbers could be pulled easily. Im playing a NB in its truer form. Not saying your way isnt viable or how it was meant to be played because its all about a persons play style but i dont want to play a sorc nb.

So congratulations to pulling those numbers your just like every other sorc or dk using staff or 2 hander with spells to achieve the numbers you are. You just reinforced the issue we brought up.

Viscidous

I dont want to spam impulse on my nb to hit the numbers you should be hitting. Just isnt my idea of fun.

Kos

Solution is very simple - remove class and race skills.

Therium104

This game's demise was decided the moment the devs elected to balance the game based on forum whine threads over a more logical approach. The nerf to ardent flame is an example of this stupidity.

Honestly, I have been playing MMO for over a decade and never seen a more incompetent and pathetic player base. Man up. Use your abilities. Learn to play. Why did you all bother to spend money on this game in the first place.

You all should have just continued running around Skyrim in solo mode with the difficulty set to easy blowing stuff up with no skill or thought. I mean wtf.

You need to consider where all this whining is headed. I know ...... and I have no intention sticking around to see it.

Haewk

Viscidous wrote: »

Anjelicus wrote: »

so my NB does about up to 1200 dps on first boss, 1000 2nd, 1000 3rd, 1000 4th boss.... im pretty sure we weren't nerfed lol

I can guarantee your neither bow or duel wield either. As i said if i wanted to go destro staff or 2 hander sure those numbers could be pulled easily. Im playing a NB in its truer form. Not saying your way isnt viable or how it was meant to be played because its all about a persons play style but i dont want to play a sorc nb.

So congratulations to pulling those numbers your just like every other sorc or dk using staff or 2 hander with spells to achieve the numbers you are. You just reinforced the issue we brought up.

I don't understand your argument. What does this have to do with DK or sorc?

If NBs choose certain weapons they have good dps.
If DKs choose certain weapons they have good dps.
If Sorcs choose certain weapons they have good dps.

If NBs choose certain weapons they have crap dps.
If DKs choose certain weapons they have crap dps.
If Sorcs choose certain weapons they have crap dps.

Are there viable builds for DKs and Sorcs that gives good dps with Bows and Dual Wield?

Ralathar44

For people that paid attention they said they were going to bring DK survivability in line with other classes and they were just going to all around buff NB.

They removed the Ardent Flame synergies with fire staff, which was half of the problem.

Buffs/Bug Fixes to non-OP DK abilities:
Extended Chains is the non-DPS morph of fiery grip intended for CC/tanking.
Flame Lash wasn't competitive as a morph so it got buffed.
Dragon Leap is STILL their weakest ulti by far, they made it more usable though.
Choking Talons received a bug fix, it no longer charges double magicka.
Petrify does damage when the spell ends now, and still won't be used much.

Nerfs to the best DK Abilties:
Molten Whip got majorly nerfed by making it only affect Ardent Flame.
Burning Talons got nerfed in damage.
Igneous Shield (Obsidian Shield morph): Nerfed, it used to give a fair amount more damage shield, now it gives you a trivial amount more healing.


Look I still think DK's need to come down more. But this pass was definitely a fair nerf to the stronger builds and a small buff to their weaker builds.

Anjelicus

not every build/gear setup is viable in ANY game...EVER... yea i agree that ZOS should not have forced every class to go light armor/staff to maximize output for endgame, however it is what it is.... If you dont want to end game, then for the moment keep your stam builds. I would rather go DW with my NB, however no one would been the DPS requirements in Trials if they did, unless you took 11 Sorcs lol.

Im a redguard also, and im eagerly anticipating the fix to stamina skills. and im sure MANY of us are wanting to be able to run anything other than cookie-cutter builds, Its not what i expected from ZOS, but I will deal with it and im still enjoying my NB as a clothie spamming funnel health.