biggest miss in new patch 1.2.3

Stonesthrow

strongoakb14a_ESO wrote: »

In my opinion respecs should make you unspec an entire skill line, for example you want to spec out of 2 handed weapon and go Bow, you can choose just to unspec an entire skill line, still not as cheap as single, but easier to implement and should balance gold sink vs gameplay time.

This sounds like the best suggestion and probably the easiest for the Devs and cheapest for the Players. Unspec ALL for 100g a point or unspec a Skill line for 2000g or some set price.

On the subject of money, if you choose to PvP you won't have as much, that's just how it is. If you PvE, it's not that hard to get if you don't *** it away as you level. Did you need another horse? Did you need to make your level 35 Sword legendary? Did you really need all of the rare motifs before you could even remotely craft them? Did you really need to "improve" everything to a full set of epic gear when you hit 40?

Sell the white gear you find instead of decon, or sell everything… this will net gold over time, more than you realize.

Farm herbs to sell, most good ones are at least 100g a piece to several people looking in Zone chats.

Farm ore, cloth and wood matts… sell them raw for a lot of gold in Zone, vendor for 400g… or get someone with 3/3 to refine them for you and sell the boosters and vendor the refined.

You may have to work at it. You may have to actually try and SELL to other players in this crazy thing we call an MMO…go figure.

Stop dying stupidly and paying hefty repair bills, which are WAY less now anyway. If it looks like a 200 foot drop… it probably is. If there are 3 or 5 mobs and you suck at crowd control, step back quietly and go around.

Get a couple hirelings and sell what they bring. Bump them to 3/3 and rake in the loot. If you can make them 3/3, your guy is probably up there in levels anyway so the matts will be decent.

Hit the untravelled edges of the map and do chest runs. 40-60 gold a piece, plus stuff to vendor, maps for even better chests, glyphs and Soul Gems… a stack of Soul Gems goes for a lot at a vendor.

Loot ALL the crates and barrels and sacks you come across… along with a few green recipes, put a couple three points into provisioning and make stacks and stacks of food or drink 4 at a time for 2-4 gold a piece and vendor them. Easily make 15-20,000 in gold every couple weeks just doing this with the level 40ish and below matts I find as I quest. Will be better if they ever make VR zones level 45-50 matts only.

Always loot any dresser, nightsand, desk, cabinet, trunk, urn, backpack, <insert the others> for a chance at a motif. The prices have dumped recently, but you can still get a couple hundred for a 1-9 or 10k for Primal/Barbaric and twice that or more for the others. You don't have to "farm" them, just always check those types of containers. No reason not to unless you are in a hurry to be poor…

"Money won is twice as sweet as money earned" - Fast Eddie Felson

LikeIIs

No updates to fishing! It's a minigame that could be used for income, cooking, or achievement hunting...except it's hopelessly broken and can't do any of these things!

Zenimax can curb gold spammers and fix people logging into other people's accounts, but they can't get the fishing achievements to pop when you catch something rare? Bah!

nerevarine1138

LikeIIs wrote: »

No updates to fishing! It's a minigame that could be used for income, cooking, or achievement hunting...except it's hopelessly broken and can't do any of these things!

Zenimax can curb gold spammers and fix people logging into other people's accounts, but they can't get the fishing achievements to pop when you catch something rare? Bah!

No offense to all the dedicated fishermen/fishwives out there, but I really don't think that the fishing mini-game is near the top of most people's "Things I really care about in a game" list. Unless that game is Bass Hunter 9 Million or something like that.

Vannor

crislevin wrote: »

how lucky you have 200K! now stop assuming everybody is filthy rich as you.

Respecced one char twice (at 50 and VR1 costing 20k+ both times) and a lower level char and have well over 50k sitting around. I fail to see how anyone can think 20k is a lot of money in this game.

crislevin

simon24eb17_ESO wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

how lucky you have 200K! now stop assuming everybody is filthy rich as you.

Respecced one char twice (at 50 and VR1 costing 20k+ both times) and a lower level char and have well over 50k sitting around. I fail to see how anyone can think 20k is a lot of money in this game.

wut? give me 20k then.

its illegit gold sink, its not players fault, its dev who changed the skills.

20k may not be much for you, but why should anybody spend gold unnecessarily? If you think thats not a issue, and have too much gold to hang around, do the hidden cash thing already and spread your wealth.

Cody

I had to mail one of my guildies 15K, and all he had to do was change 1 or 2 skills:/ that's complete bull. stop defending this insane respec price, the only way you could possibly have 200K, Vr zones or not, is the following:
1. you hoard it, meaning you don't spend it on ANYTHING
2. you farm rarer motifs like crazy and sell them
3. you buy gold from a gold seller
4. you sell everything you find, instead of deconing it
if you do what most players do, and SPEND GOLD, instead of hoarding it for 50 levels, you WILL NOT have 200K stop with this "its not a lot" crap, because it is alot

nerevarine1138

NookyZooky wrote: »

I had to mail one of my guildies 15K, and all he had to do was change 1 or 2 skills:/ that's complete bull. stop defending this insane respec price, the only way you could possibly have 200K, Vr zones or not, is the following:
1. you hoard it, meaning you don't spend it on ANYTHING
2. you farm rarer motifs like crazy and sell them
3. you buy gold from a gold seller
4. you sell everything you find, instead of deconing it
if you do what most players do, and SPEND GOLD, instead of hoarding it for 50 levels, you WILL NOT have 200K stop with this "its not a lot" crap, because it is alot

Or, just maybe, some people aren't buying all the same stuff you are.

I've got my bag fully upgraded and my bank up to 150 slots. I currently have about 50k sitting around, and that's after spending close to 100k on glyphs for deconstruction. I only regularly spend money on repairs now that my horse is level 50.

So what are you spending your gold on? And if you want to respec, what's stopping you from saving up?

jazon1972_ESO

is it just me or are the still missing the simple ability to see what kind of armor you are buying or have in inventory ..like what motif was used(like what it will actually look like) could it be that hard to add a small word in the corner saying "barbaric,daedric"etc so we know what we actually have? i have wanted to post some armor sets in guild stores but it would be pointless because no one would know what it was...

crislevin

jazon1972_ESO wrote: »

is it just me or are the still missing the simple ability to see what kind of armor you are buying or have in inventory ..like what motif was used(like what it will actually look like) could it be that hard to add a small word in the corner saying "barbaric,daedric"etc so we know what we actually have? i have wanted to post some armor sets in guild stores but it would be pointless because no one would know what it was...

there are some visual difference in different motifs, if you have seen all of them, you will be able to identify them.

Go ahead list in stores and don't worry.

Although more clarification is always better.

LikeIIs

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

No offense to all the dedicated fishermen/fishwives out there, but I really don't think that the fishing mini-game is near the top of most people's "Things I really care about in a game" list. Unless that game is Bass Hunter 9 Million or something like that.

I'm just saying that if they went to all the trouble of including fish, rare fish, different kinds of bait, fishing achievements, a fishing title, and in-game books on where and how to fish...you think they could just put a teeny bit more effort into making this mechanic useful and fun. Instead, they've just left it in a broken state. It has the potential to really be special, but it hasn't come to fruition.

Hamfast

Respecing is an issue, if it cost more or less is a point of contention that folks will agree or disagree about and nobody will change anybodies mind...

Respecing a character completely to change a single Morph? that is a bit extreme...

If we count the Classes - 4, Weapons - 6, Armors - 3, Guilds - 2, World - 3 we come up with a total of 18 basic areas where Morphs happen (this is off the top of my head, feel free to correct me if I miscounted or missed some)

Each Zone has a Main City, in that city there are similar places, the Fighters Guild, the Mages Guild and so on, put NPC's in those buildings, spread around the towns so you may have to search to find the Werewolf and Vampire person, that you can talk to, they will allow you to choose 1 Morphed Skill to redo, limit it to 1 per day, charge per level (a level 4 morphed skill would cost 4 times what a level 1 morphed skill would cost)... perhaps the same NPC could help you sell back 1 unmorphed skill, again, adjusted by the skill level and again only 1 per day (or every 3 days, twice a day, what ever).

With some the placement of the NPC seems obvious to me, some not so much, but that is another point that people will disagree about in any case.

Sleevez340

20k to respec is alot when you have to do it everyday cuz every combination of skills is a recipe for death as a templar.

SK1TZ0FR3N1K

Lodestar wrote: »

No idea where people are getting this money, unless they are buying it from those farmers. Someone must be putting them in business.

Selling off the stuff they don't need, maybe. Love how people say this every time someone says they have "x" amount of money. I don't have that much gold on hand, but have HAD that much gold. Currently have about 30k on hand but have bought 4 characters worth of 110 slot bag space, and upped my bank space to the same. My highest level character is a 32. Level has nothing to do with gold. I farm mats once a week to keep up my spending habits. I dropped 6200 gold twice yesterday on respec's. I forgot to put my dang Intimidate and Persuasion back in. Made it back in the 3 hours I had to play last night. People with gold aren't necessarily buying it. Most (not all) get it from selling the mats everyone would rather buy, than waste time farming.

With that said, and back on topic, If the Dev's change a skill...you should be refunded the skill point(s) for said skill/morph. It is pretty common these days, and one of the few "gripes" I actually agree with.

SK1TZ0FR3N1K

NookyZooky wrote: »

I had to mail one of my guildies 15K, and all he had to do was change 1 or 2 skills:/ that's complete bull. stop defending this insane respec price, the only way you could possibly have 200K, Vr zones or not, is the following:
1. you hoard it, meaning you don't spend it on ANYTHING
2. you farm rarer motifs like crazy and sell them
3. you buy gold from a gold seller
4. you sell everything you find, instead of deconing it
if you do what most players do, and SPEND GOLD, instead of hoarding it for 50 levels, you WILL NOT have 200K stop with this "its not a lot" crap, because it is alot

1. I love to spend my money, doesn't do anything sitting there.
2. I farm mats ie., ore/plants/wood one day a week...forget logging in and out that's friggin' crazy on a pc.
3. never had, never will...firm believer the buyer should be hit harder than the seller.
4. I sell whites, and piece of crud jewelry(you can't decon those you know) I decon everything else.
5. (I added this one)I have had 200k+, not on hand (most I have had on hand was 40k, but like in real life, wife got half of that lol)...it's not alot unless you spend it with out making some of it back

I want to try something though, I'm curious to see what it would look like for the one's who have that amount of money on hand, to turn that argument around(in other words this section isn't directed towards you Nooky, just a little experiment):

The only way you could not possibly have had 200k is the following:
1. You buy everything, without farming ANYTHING for some kind of in-game income
2. You buy rarer motifs instead of looking for them
3. You are the one who sells the gold to the gold sellers
4. you decon everything instead of selling the whites that have little to no return on them
if you do what most players do and make gold instead of spending it for 50 levels, you WILL HAVE 200k stop with this "it's alot" crap, because it's not

Both sides have valid points about what is, and isn't, a lot of money. I for one know I have to sell some stuff along the way to have a bit there for my spending habits.

Utildai

AngryNord wrote: »

If you ask me they should completely do away With racial motifs, and make you learn other races styles by deconstructing dropped armour/weapon (but you would only learn the style of the item you deconstructed)

This....

trueche

I talked to a GM about this once before. The idea behind respecs being so costly is to avoid the people who are going to all try and change to something that becomes the Flavor of the month. This adds more of a choice and a downside to trying to join the bandwagon I suppose. Although, in situations like these it would be nice due to bug fixes being the reason people want to change things, not because of buffs.

Verzwei

crislevin wrote: »

with numerous changes to skills and morphs, and they offer no skill points refund or free respec?

Of all the things, this was the straw that made me unsub. I'd love to try out the revised skills and morphs, some of which are now WAY better for my builds than the "lesser of two evils" I chose the first time around, but I'm not going to drop the gold to respec all 4 of my characters.

Patch 1.1 refunded points for any skill that was even slightly altered. Patch 1.2 has drastic, sweeping changes to the morphs for several skills for each class and we're expected to pay for a full respec just to have the choice to use some of the fixed skills? Pass.

Lucifer66

Man I don't know how people are finding all these Daedric Motifs, I haven't found any of these rare ones and I'm running around looking like crazy. It really ticks me off when people complain they are all over the place and they got too much gold and too many Motifs that they want the loot tables nerfed when I can't find a single one. I got like 2k gold on me at vet level and I'm struggling to afford repiars.

Please quit asking for loot table nerfs, not everyone is as lucky as some of you are.

Azzuria

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Lodestar wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Because 10-20k is serious when I have over 200k from basically quest rewards and item vendoring at Veteran level 5.

Oh no, FTP in 10...

how lucky you have 200K! now stop assuming everybody is filthy rich as you.

Yeah, what is with these people, jumping on forums to post things like that, at every opportunity? Is it an excuse for bragging, or just an insular BS comment, that assumes that it is norm for players to have that much money? I am nearly lvl 45, and never had more than 42k on me. Most of my money went on repairs or horse feeds, or bank and inventory space. No idea where people are getting this money, unless they are buying it from those farmers. Someone must be putting them in business.

The poster you are referring to is VR5. By the time you get to VR, you're mostly out of gold-sinks, and you get more gold for kills/quests/vendoring. And (as mentioned) if you find a single VR motif that you don't want to use, congratulations. That's a minimum of 10k gold in your wallet right there.

My highest toon is 40 with 90+ bank slots and a level 50 horse. I have 3 other toons with 80+ bank slots each and horses near level 30 and an account bank with 100 slots.

And 30k in the bank after ALL those gold-sinks. Granted, the horse are Imperial because I shelled out the extra cash. But I usually net better than 1k gold after an hour of questing and the only thing being sold off is vendor trash. Gear gets deconn'd.

It's possible to make gold if you're frugal, even with all the gold sinks in the game.

Hopefully, by the time I need to respec ( won't need 3 points in crafting reasearch on two toons ) there should be over 100k in my bank.

Malmai

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Find a VR racial motif. That will happen naturally if you just search containers while you quest. Sell that motif. Now you can respec.

What you said is just... we didn't changed the skills and they should offer us respec its like you ordered something and they failed and now you must eat that... Doesn't work like that...

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Find a VR racial motif. That will happen naturally if you just search containers while you quest. Sell that motif. Now you can respec.

If the nerfbat hadn't been taken to these things they'd not be so valuable, as they shouldn't be.

They're actually very reasonably priced (with the potential exception of Imperial, but that's supposed to be insanely hard to find), and I've found 3 Daedric motifs while leveling from VR6-VR10. It's not that hard. It's also not that hard to earn gold through questing, delving, crafting, etc. I don't even concentrate on earning gold, and I find that a few hours of play nets me at least 10k in quest rewards and vendor money, never mind any bonus money I might get for crafting/auctioning other things.

Reasonable pricing for cosmetic crap? :-D I would never pay several thousands for motif honestly. There are bank and inventory slots to be bought;-)

Evergnar

NookyZooky wrote: »

I had to mail one of my guildies 15K, and all he had to do was change 1 or 2 skills:/ that's complete bull. stop defending this insane respec price.

That's precisely the problem. In it's current state it is just flat out cost prohibitive. I like the concept of an ever changing game and respecing to adapt as you level up but the current system is fail. Let us tweak our builds and have the cost reflect how much or how little we do so.

SFBryan18

I can't even afford a respec.

Axer

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Lodestar wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Find a VR racial motif. That will happen naturally if you just search containers while you quest. Sell that motif. Now you can respec.

Only how long do you think that will last? When most people have them, and the prices drop.

What about those of us who are not VR level? What about those who are but, don't care for it and play alts instead?

Ah just realised who I am responding to. Yes, figures.

If you aren't VR level, your respec can't cost 20k yet. There's absolutely no way for you to have 200 skill points before VR content. I performed my only respec at VR8, and it was only 24k (meaning 240 skill points).

Now, if you'd like to actually read my posts instead of making erroneous assumptions because you didn't like what I said in another thread, feel free. There are plenty of opportunities to earn gold if earning gold is an issue for you.

Odd my respec lately is always 23k.

I have 260+ skill points. Last few I always had above 230.

Seems like it capped out for me.

So either you mis-remembered, or it's just weird how it behaves.

Verzwei

Well, I was hoping that today's micro patch would have slipped in a refund for all of the drastically altered skills and morphs in patch 1.2.3

It did not, and it seems ZOS still has their collective head firmly up their collective ass if they think it's OK to completely change how something works and not refund their customers' investment in it.

I mean, if they tweak the math on something to be X-2 or Y+3 or .9 * Z, then fine, whatever, the ability is still functionally the same, it's just a little more or less of what it was before.

Igneous Shield is a completely different power than what we chose. Empowering Sweep and Puncturing Sweep are now viable options, rather than the trashbin "Even if the other morph punches you in the balls, you should still choose the ball punch" wastes that they were before. Restoring Path might actually be useful now, when it absolutely wasn't before.

ZOS, you cannot COMPLETELY ALTER how something works and not provide a skill point refund when the only way for the player to initiate a refund is to pay an exorbitant fee to reset all skillpoints at once, simply to adjust to the handful of abilities per class that you actually changed.

wrlifeboil

Mordria wrote: »

Lodestar wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Because 10-20k is serious when I have over 200k from basically quest rewards and item vendoring at Veteran level 5.

Oh no, FTP in 10...

how lucky you have 200K! now stop assuming everybody is filthy rich as you.

Yeah, what is with these people, jumping on forums to post things like that, at every opportunity? Is it an excuse for bragging, or just an insular BS comment, that assumes that it is norm for players to have that much money? I am nearly lvl 45, and never had more than 42k on me. Most of my money went on repairs or horse feeds, or bank and inventory space. No idea where people are getting this money, unless they are buying it from those farmers. Someone must be putting them in business.

Could be true. My V1 character has never had more than 12k.

My nightblade was my gold sink. It was easy accumulating gold up to level 49. Then repairs in VR pre-Craglorn ate into my gold stockpile so much that at one point I had < 1k gold. Luckily I didn't have to level my nb in VR zones. Did the anomaly farming circuit pre-nerf, did some farming and hit VR12. I don't envy the post-nerf nb's going through VR.

The posters who claim it was easy either weren't playing nb's in VR pre-Craglorn or were farming motifs or jute like the botters or were carried in groups.

Mortosk

crislevin wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Because 10-20k is serious when I have over 200k from basically quest rewards and item vendoring at Veteran level 5.

Oh no, FTP in 10...

how lucky you have 200K! now stop assuming everybody is filthy rich as you.

Mr. Richie Rich, that's 10% of your gold that it took you 50 normal levels and 5 ridiculously slow and brutal levels to accrue. That's a lot.

Karizza

It seems most on the forum missed the point and, point out that some are more fortunate than others with accumulating wealth in the game.

The point of the original poster was to inform that with ability changes should come a free respect as it is the devs that decide to ruin an ability or tweak another for a class. It is not about what is affordable or not.

I have to agree. Builds that incorporate an ability should allow change to accommodate these ability changes without charge. I wish they would allow us to change classes after they make these changes.

Soloeus

ArRashid wrote: »

I'm VR4 and I have 32k gold. That's enough for one respec (if I wanted it). As for my NB, I'm rather exping a replacement already than paying her for her 4th respec..

According to the Philosophy of Personal Choice you are choosing to invest your gold in this way. Only you can control this.

Please continue because innovators are the ones who dig and find what does and doesn't work. Everyone else will have netbuilds but you? You will have a unique character that in time will be just as good.

Welid

My head hurts.