Forced-Solo Bosses Too Hard For You? ESO, Here's a Solution!

SK1TZ0FR3N1K

Hilgara wrote: »

Got there and decided to turn in for the night expecting to pick up where I left off. Wong!

You called?



Sorry, just realized that Mr. Wong may be from a time some of you don't remember.

zgrssd

The core issues are that classes are not fully balanced and that stamina builds are not fully competitive.
They are currently balancing the classes. Once that is done they can work on stam/mana-balance and PvE balance (against a common baseline of classskills to test with).
One step at a time.

I am sure the bulk of problems will be overcome within the first 6 months after launch.

GreySix

Interesting ideas, OP. My own proposed solution would be to allow one other player in such instances (without disallowing solo play for those who want it), scaling up the difficulty of the boss and associated mobs accordingly.

Other MMOs have done this in the past, so the algorithm is pretty straightforward.

FrauPerchta

"spectacular loot" What game are you playing?

Dagoth_Rac

I suggested something similar once before. A 1-to-5 difficulty slider that only applies to forced-solo content:

1 = 33% boss health, 33% normal boss damage, 33% normal XP, white vendor trash reward.
2 = 66% boss health, 66% normal boss damage, 66% normal XP, crappy green item that is a hair better than vendor trash.
3 = regular boss health and boss damage, regular XP, blue item reward.
4 = 150% boss health, 150% normal boss damage, 150% normal XP, purple item reward.
5 = 200% boss health, 200% normal boss damage, 200% normal XP, gold item reward.

It would reward you for completing a tougher fight while still not blocking you from progressing. I also think the above would be fairly easy to code. Look at difficulty slider, multiply 3 stats by a number, change one loot table.

This is assuming they are set on these being forced-solo. Grouping with someone else who has not completed the quest would be good, too. I would be opposed to bringing in a VR12 buddy to take down Lyris Doppelganger, but two Level 33 characters who are stuck on Lyris Doppelganger being allowed to team up? That is cool.

SirAndy

Nova Sky wrote: »

beat those bast, err, bosses

Virgil, is that you?

ruff82

I'm curious what build people think is impossible to beat some main storyline bosses with. I'm now a V1 Templar (primary focus healing with some points in Aedric Spear and Dawns Wrath for some attacks) who also became a vampire early on and was able to defeat every boss in the game without a glitch or assistance. Instead of whining, learn the damn fights. If you can't figure out good techniques on your own, ask for help in the forums or in zone chat. There are plenty of techniques out there for beating every boss in the game with any build.

UrQuan

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I suggested something similar once before. A 1-to-5 difficulty slider that only applies to forced-solo content:

1 = 33% boss health, 33% normal boss damage, 33% normal XP, white vendor trash reward.
2 = 66% boss health, 66% normal boss damage, 66% normal XP, crappy green item that is a hair better than vendor trash.
3 = regular boss health and boss damage, regular XP, blue item reward.
4 = 150% boss health, 150% normal boss damage, 150% normal XP, purple item reward.
5 = 200% boss health, 200% normal boss damage, 200% normal XP, gold item reward.

It would reward you for completing a tougher fight while still not blocking you from progressing. I also think the above would be fairly easy to code. Look at difficulty slider, multiply 3 stats by a number, change one loot table.

I like this idea a lot. Especially since going through the Doshia Fighter's Guild quest again on some alts and finding a fight that was once really tense and exciting (and only beatable once you've figured out the mechanic) to have been nerfed down to the point where I could kill her before she even turned into a harvester.

Being able to choose which difficulty to fight the boss at (and having rewards scale appropriately) would allow you to get past bosses who are otherwise nearly impossible for your build to beat, while also allowing you to have a challenge if you're finding things too easy.

GreySix

ruff82 wrote: »

I'm curious what build people think is impossible to beat some main storyline bosses with. I'm now a V1 Templar (primary focus healing with some points in Aedric Spear and Dawns Wrath for some attacks) who also became a vampire early on and was able to defeat every boss in the game without a glitch or assistance. Instead of whining, learn the damn fights. If you can't figure out good techniques on your own, ask for help in the forums or in zone chat. There are plenty of techniques out there for beating every boss in the game with any build.

Nothing to do with "impossible" but rather a desire to remain cooperative throughout this MMO, as is possible in most major MMOs.

mar1ano1987nrb18_ESO

I didnt have any problems defeating story lines bosses with my character, and I am a medium armor/bow NB.
In the other hand ...I was in reapers march and I had to kill a regular (not boss) veteran 10 storm atronach for a random quest. He was inmune to CC, he could see me even in stealh/invi , and he used a snare on me (wich I couldnt remove with Dark cloak) and ...he was inmune to all my DoT effects, you can Imagine what happened next. Thank god, a helpfull soul in the zone chat decided to join me and he help me deafeat the terrible (and regular) monster.

Syntse

Ur-Quan wrote: »

I like this idea a lot. Especially since going through the Doshia Fighter's Guild quest again on some alts and finding a fight that was once really tense and exciting (and only beatable once you've figured out the mechanic) to have been nerfed down to the point where I could kill her before she even turned into a harvester.

That is kinda too much nerf if one can kill it before she turns. This is kinda must have and must learn fight in the game. There will be much more harvesters later in the game and if one has no idea what to do and not to do on those fights they are screwed.

GreySix

Syntse wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

I like this idea a lot. Especially since going through the Doshia Fighter's Guild quest again on some alts and finding a fight that was once really tense and exciting (and only beatable once you've figured out the mechanic) to have been nerfed down to the point where I could kill her before she even turned into a harvester.

That is kinda too much nerf if one can kill it before she turns. This is kinda must have and must learn fight in the game. There will be much more harvesters later in the game and if one has no idea what to do and not to do on those fights they are screwed.

... unless cooperative play is enabled, as should be the case.

Nova Sky

ruff82 wrote: »

I'm curious what build people think is impossible to beat some main storyline bosses with. I'm now a V1 Templar (primary focus healing with some points in Aedric Spear and Dawns Wrath for some attacks) who also became a vampire early on and was able to defeat every boss in the game without a glitch or assistance. Instead of whining, learn the damn fights. If you can't figure out good techniques on your own, ask for help in the forums or in zone chat. There are plenty of techniques out there for beating every boss in the game with any build.

Are you in labor? When's the baby due?

Just curious, because you seem pretty worked up over something that would have absolutely no impact on how *YOU* play the game, since, according to your post, you're a God-like player among us mere peons.

As for asking chat or the forums for boss assistance, ha! I've done that, and the results are decidedly mixed. More often than not, I've encountered folks like you who ridicule those seeking help or, God forbid, a possible solution as outlined in the OP that would benefit everyone playing ESO.

Nova Sky

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I suggested something similar once before. A 1-to-5 difficulty slider that only applies to forced-solo content:

1 = 33% boss health, 33% normal boss damage, 33% normal XP, white vendor trash reward.
2 = 66% boss health, 66% normal boss damage, 66% normal XP, crappy green item that is a hair better than vendor trash.
3 = regular boss health and boss damage, regular XP, blue item reward.
4 = 150% boss health, 150% normal boss damage, 150% normal XP, purple item reward.
5 = 200% boss health, 200% normal boss damage, 200% normal XP, gold item reward.

It would reward you for completing a tougher fight while still not blocking you from progressing. I also think the above would be fairly easy to code. Look at difficulty slider, multiply 3 stats by a number, change one loot table.

This is assuming they are set on these being forced-solo. Grouping with someone else who has not completed the quest would be good, too. I would be opposed to bringing in a VR12 buddy to take down Lyris Doppelganger, but two Level 33 characters who are stuck on Lyris Doppelganger being allowed to team up? That is cool.

*nods* That would be another possible system, too. Maybe we'll be fortunate enough to have a dev see this thread, peruse it and, perhaps, implement a suggestion or two found within it.

UrQuan

Syntse wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

I like this idea a lot. Especially since going through the Doshia Fighter's Guild quest again on some alts and finding a fight that was once really tense and exciting (and only beatable once you've figured out the mechanic) to have been nerfed down to the point where I could kill her before she even turned into a harvester.

That is kinda too much nerf if one can kill it before she turns.

Agreed. I'm an altaholic with 16 alts who have gone through that fight. 6 or 7 of them were pre-nerf, and the rest were post-nerf. All of the pre-nerf fights were challenging. None of the post-nerf fights were. In 2 cases post-nerf I killed her before she even got to cast any spells or anything, let alone transform. I'm lucky that I learned the techniques and mechanics pre-nerf.

ruff82

Nova Sky wrote: »

ruff82 wrote: »

I'm curious what build people think is impossible to beat some main storyline bosses with. I'm now a V1 Templar (primary focus healing with some points in Aedric Spear and Dawns Wrath for some attacks) who also became a vampire early on and was able to defeat every boss in the game without a glitch or assistance. Instead of whining, learn the damn fights. If you can't figure out good techniques on your own, ask for help in the forums or in zone chat. There are plenty of techniques out there for beating every boss in the game with any build.

Are you in labor? When's the baby due?

Just curious, because you seem pretty worked up over something that would have absolutely no impact on how *YOU* play the game, since, according to your post, you're a God-like player among us mere peons.

As for asking chat or the forums for boss assistance, ha! I've done that, and the results are decidedly mixed. More often than not, I've encountered folks like you who ridicule those seeking help or, God forbid, a possible solution as outlined in the OP that would benefit everyone playing ESO.

WTF are you talking about? I'm not worked up about anything, merely making my own observation. You're the one that seems to have your panties in a bunch over my comment.

As a side note, I ridiculed people that whine about it being too hard / said that some bosses were "impossible" with certain builds. I NEVER ridiculed anyone that asked for assistance in figuring out how to beat a boss. So, before you go presuming what kind of person I am, READ WHAT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN!

GreySix

Ur-Quan wrote: »

I'm an altaholic with 16 alts who have gone through that fight. 6 or 7 of them were pre-nerf, and the rest were post-nerf. All of the pre-nerf fights were challenging. None of the post-nerf fights were. In 2 cases post-nerf I killed her before she even got to cast any spells or anything, let alone transform. I'm lucky that I learned the techniques and mechanics pre-nerf.

Grammatical nitpick: "Altaholic" isn't (or shouldn't be) a word, for there is no such thing as, "altahol." I much prefer terms like "alt-addict."

Just doing my job.

UrQuan

GreySix wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

I'm an altaholic with 16 alts who have gone through that fight. 6 or 7 of them were pre-nerf, and the rest were post-nerf. All of the pre-nerf fights were challenging. None of the post-nerf fights were. In 2 cases post-nerf I killed her before she even got to cast any spells or anything, let alone transform. I'm lucky that I learned the techniques and mechanics pre-nerf.

Grammatical nitpick: "Altaholic" isn't (or shouldn't be) a word, for there is no such thing as, "altahol." I much prefer terms like "alt-addict."

Just doing my job.

That's where you're wrong. I'm totally addicted to sweet, sweet altahol.

Nova Sky

ruff82 wrote: »

Nova Sky wrote: »

ruff82 wrote: »

I'm curious what build people think is impossible to beat some main storyline bosses with. I'm now a V1 Templar (primary focus healing with some points in Aedric Spear and Dawns Wrath for some attacks) who also became a vampire early on and was able to defeat every boss in the game without a glitch or assistance. Instead of whining, learn the damn fights. If you can't figure out good techniques on your own, ask for help in the forums or in zone chat. There are plenty of techniques out there for beating every boss in the game with any build.

Are you in labor? When's the baby due?

Just curious, because you seem pretty worked up over something that would have absolutely no impact on how *YOU* play the game, since, according to your post, you're a God-like player among us mere peons.

As for asking chat or the forums for boss assistance, ha! I've done that, and the results are decidedly mixed. More often than not, I've encountered folks like you who ridicule those seeking help or, God forbid, a possible solution as outlined in the OP that would benefit everyone playing ESO.

WTF are you talking about? I'm not worked up about anything, merely making my own observation. You're the one that seems to have your panties in a bunch over my comment.

As a side note, I ridiculed people that whine about it being too hard / said that some bosses were "impossible" with certain builds. I NEVER ridiculed anyone that asked for assistance in figuring out how to beat a boss. So, before you go presuming what kind of person I am, READ WHAT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN!

I did. It's obvious our interpretations of what you wrote differ. So be it.

Tavore1138

Most bosses are beatable with effort, certainly up to MB anyway... The pace steps up in VR though and I have found 3 so far in the storyline quests that I have been forced to group to overcome.

Mainly the ones with lazy design - i.e. They are made 'tough' by being immune to class abilities, can see through invisibility potions or shadow cloaks, hit through blocks etc. willing to bet they all come from the same designer late on a friday at beer o'clock.

Personally I like figuring out a mechanic and a strategy to beat it but when the mechanic is 'ignores ESO mechanics' I get bored fast... For those times some way to bypass them would be just fine by me.

Maybe you should be able to earn credits per boss fight completed solo, when you have so many you can turn them in for a 'burn down a boss for free' tickets for any boss but something like MB. If you waste them you won't get more but they could get you past the occasional fight that just stumps you & your chosen build.

Sandmanninja

You could be given a Buff that increases your health and damage dealing ability.
The buff could stack each time you wipe on the boss.
The buff is lost when you zone out of the instance or defeat the boss.

(basically, what they said above)

Nova Sky

Good ideas both, SuraklinPrime and Sandmanninja! Folks, keep them coming, because the more we have, the better the odds are at least a few will gain traction among ESO's designers.

Zabus

I'd rather have the ability to group up in such situations. This is a multiplayer game after all, but this is a cool idea.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

ruff82 wrote: »

who also became a vampire early on and was able to defeat every boss in the game without a glitch or assistance. .

Okay, that invalidates your entire post .. you beat the content others have big trouble with using a hugely OP Vamp, which no lobger exists.

Roll an alt, do the same on that now and then you may be able to validly argue your case.

GreySix

xsfkxnub19_ESO wrote: »

I'd rather have the ability to group up in such situations. This is a multiplayer game after all, but this is a cool idea.

Indeed. In a single-player TES game, we can solo the entire game. In ESO, the main story is solo-only.

So if we wanted solo-only, why on earth would we pay a monthly subscription, when we can pick up any prior TES release and play it solo all the way through, subscription-free?

Feimerdre

Guys. Really.
I play my 4th toon now through the whole content, meaning I did all guildline and main story quests in different stages of patching.
First: solo bosses have been ALREADY made as easy as anything. Doshia is a breeze now, any questmob you encounter in the normal content is hitting harder. 3 balls arent enough now to fully restore her health. Harvester in general have been made TONS easier than they used to be. They do much less damage and get healed a lot less than before.
Second: Dont be so blind when it comes to strategy and use of skills. You CANNOT GO LEVEL 1-50 WITH ALL THE SAME SKILLS on your quickbar. Period.
Third: this is not neccessarily a l2p issue but for pretty lots of ppl here I cannot get rid of that picture in my mind of that dog with that bone in his mouth, trying to get through that door. Bumping 100s of times... and 100 more.

Something more constructive: Molag Bal can be pretty much killed by ANY class/armor setup with just ONE DoT and a healing staff. You will have it a lil easier if you have skilled some points in healing staff as you can keep Mutagen up on youself or drop a healing circle on the ground. The rest of the fight is ONLY movement and light/heavy staff attacks. Thats pretty much all the secret you will need to know about the last and greatest threat of Tamriel.

GreySix

Feimerdre wrote: »

Guys. Really.
I play my 4th toon now through the whole content, meaning I did all guildline and main story quests in different stages of patching.

Huzzah.

Feimerdre wrote: »

First: solo bosses have been ALREADY made as easy as anything.

Never asked for or wanted nerfing of any bosses or mobs - just the ability to cooperatively play throughout this MMO, as is already possible in most every other major MMO.

Feimerdre wrote: »

<SNIP information on solo-only bosses and recommended strategies for beating them>

Again, don't care. Never wanted the bosses nerfed - heck, make them harder for grouped players for all I care, but ...

LET US GROUP!!!!

Feimerdre

GreySix wrote: »

Again, don't care. Never wanted the bosses nerfed - heck, make them harder for grouped players for all I care, but ...

LET US GROUP!!!!

Heck, at which point did I miss the fact that this is your thread? ^^

GreySix

Feimerdre wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Again, don't care. Never wanted the bosses nerfed - heck, make them harder for grouped players for all I care, but ...

LET US GROUP!!!!

Heck, at which point did I miss the fact that this is your thread? ^^

What is the title of the thread, and what is the subject matter of the OP?

Once you come to the blindingly-obvious answer, you'll see just how stupid your question was.

Feimerdre

@GreySix‌ you are missing one point maybe - if you mind taking this into your consideration.
Solo Bosses are by no means hard anymore. They used to be. Yes. They are no more. Lotsa ppl here are discussing based on old information. Maybe make a toon and play to Level 20 just that you see what a cakewalk all those solo bosses are right now. Then come discuss again.