Ok, I admit it. I missed ESO and I'm back

drogon1

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Okay, maybe its because I'm older, but when I see "WildStar" I tend to think "WordStar"

For you kids, that's an old DOS-based word-processing program.

Doesn't the guy who wrote Game of Thrones write his books using WordStar? Thought I read an article stating that recently.

I can believe it. Wordstar was a great editor back in the day. Keystroke editor where - after you learned the shortcuts and whatnot - was a very efficient way to bang together a doc.

Lizelle

Welcome back!

Blud

joshweps wrote: »

Soliduparrow wrote: »

I like the 1-50 game a lot. I don't like the veteran levels at all. I view this game the same as I view far cry 3. Something fun to play through but I wont pay $15 to play through it again.

I dont understand why everyones saying this Im having so much more fun in VR zones 1-50 was really easy for me as a sorc and Im not a Hardcore player or anything. I fully get the games not as easy as wow and pretty much every other mmo but its ES and ES games are hard. well not really skyrim but still harder than wow

I like 1-50. I like AvA. That's why I'm still here.

The VR experience was sometimes fun and sometimes very frustrating up through VR7. It was kind of uneven in difficulty for me. After VR7, I went to Craglorn. Being able to do that kept me subbed. I didn't (and still don't) like the VR zones from VR7-10. Maybe I suck. Maybe it's funner as a Sorc than a Temp. I don't know.

Now I've got a VR12 Templar and I can enjoy Cyrodiil! And I have been.

That's why I'm still here. But I hope the VR experience is made more fun for people. It's a shame that it's wasted for a lot of us.

joshweps

Spryt wrote: »

joshweps wrote: »

Soliduparrow wrote: »

I like the 1-50 game a lot. I don't like the veteran levels at all. I view this game the same as I view far cry 3. Something fun to play through but I wont pay $15 to play through it again.

I dont understand why everyones saying this Im having so much more fun in VR zones 1-50 was really easy for me as a sorc and Im not a Hardcore player or anything. I fully get the games not as easy as wow and pretty much every other mmo but its ES and ES games are hard. well not really skyrim but still harder than wow

Mainly beacuse if you ever want to try another class or when/if they add more classes later you will have to do all three faction all over again on every single charcter you make... That sucks.

Also kind of ruins the lore and story. How will it work when they add new story content? Do faction/main story until 50, then go do all other faction then go back to own faction and continue story? And then what? Do other factions new story too?

Imagine a few years on when they have 2-3 expansions each adding faction story. Now imagine starting a new charcter... or two...

I completely argree with this doing the other factions quests is lazy and stupid but my beef was with game difficulty I only meant I thought the VR content is more fun as in the fights are harder and funner the actual story is the dumbest thing I have ever seen

Sallakat

Azzuria wrote: »

Wildstar: If WoW and My Little Pony had a sci-fi baby, raised by Tyrian Lannister.

hahahahahah that's even better than the previous description someone made in another thread. Priceless and accurate.

Dayel

I love ESO and intend to keep playing it for the foreseeable future, however, I also still routinely play WoW and have no intention of ever leaving it either till they shut it down. Some games like these just attach themselves to you and become part of your life, so I am very glad you both returned.

On a side note, while I have enjoyed a few anime films, games with the big eyed cartoon like characters I have always given a pass, that includes all of the FF games and ones like Wildstar, they are just too unreal to be interesting.

Esha76

As many people stated, I absolutely love levels 1-50 in this game. The thing I love the most is the varieties of ways you can run a character, and the unconditional ways. For example, my sorc wears heavy, 2-handed, and stampede's into everything. It's an utter blast.

But those upper VR zones.... trash mob difficulty is way too inconsistent. I really hate banging my head against trash. If I decide to take my alts that high, I will probably look to grind Crag next time. As of now, once through upper VR was punishing enough.

On a side note, I am one of the rare adults who actually likes Wildstar for it's cartoon graphics. Though the WoW/My Little Pony reference is pretty damn accurate, lol. I love how rich and vibrant the colors are. Also their creatures in the game are unique. I give them credit for creativity. But like how many MMO players (such as myself) have alts... I guess one could say ESO is my main, and Wildstar is my alt. I have no intention of experiencing WS's end game content, raids, dungeons, etc.

mutharex

GreySix wrote: »

Okay, maybe its because I'm older, but when I see "WildStar" I tend to think "WordStar"

For you kids, that's an old DOS-based word-processing program.

I think GRR Martin uses it still

kewl

Welcome back! Happy adventuring.

Haxer

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

Haxer wrote: »

I'm all for respecting a difference of opinion, but seriously, if you haven't tried it and are writing it off because of the color palette, you're missing out. I did 1 month of both to see which would keep me. I was also a huge ESO fanboy, tried to hate WS, called it wowstar, talked about how the style was cartoony, told other people they should get ESO instead. And then I actually played it:

*takes a deep breath* It's extremely well done, no Mega-Server phasing, fluid combat mechanics, class balance, way more depth in terms of things to do besides quest grind, player housing, path quests based on how you want to play, stable working PvP, no getting locked into a dead campaign, social/guild functionality, you can actually complete quests with other players, late game that doesn't consist of doing another factions starter zones, the community isn't actually going berserk, actually seeing lots of other players in game, 99% of players don't have the same mount, you get actual rewards for killing world bosses, bosses are challenging and require people to group up, and I mean this in the sincerest way possible: I think a lot of what's being said here is just denial to self-reassure. Notice that no one after will acknowledge this post.

Don't get me wrong, I am very eager for ESO to have all of that ^ and I will be the first one back when they do. But they don't. WS is the far better game at the moment by years (apparently 2 years according to ZoS predictions of when they will add these things) by any stretch of the imagination. So...unless color palette is more important to you than all of that, maybe you should actually give it a fair shake. Who knows, you might agree with me.

You described wow with a couple acceptions....

Also, how is it that you get "locked" into a dead campaign in ESO? ... I think maybe you didn't play ESO much or when you did you didn't learn much.

@coryevans_3b14_ESO lol why even respond to me if you weren't going to read my post? Most obvious was "you described WoW". If you actually read my feedback, you'll see that they are good things that should be in any decent MMO (see: grouping/guild functionality). Things that ESO should have had at launch, and should be scrambling to add now asap. Your response or should I say lack thereof conveys that you are using that as a lazy way to write off the points that I made. If I took the effort to write it, the least you could do is take the effort to read it.

How do you get locked into a dead campaign? Well let's see, I chose a home campaign, but unfortunately the PlanetSide mechanic of keeping the fight ongoing because as one side takes more ground, they have too much to defend and the other two factions take ground back, (<if you don't understand that or didn't play PS, let me know so I can explain better) that ZoS specifically explained would be the case -is not working as intended. On my home campaign one faction controls 100% of the map for the last 2-3 weeks. Then people stop playing Cyrodil, thanks to that, and too many Campaigns. So then I log in to Cyrodil to on many occasions be the only one (or 1 of 4) of my faction playing. So I can't PvP and get points to switch home campaigns (which I shouldn't have to switch if it worked) and I'm not paying to grind derpy repeatable quests in Cyrodil to get enough points to switch over to another campaign where the same thing will happen, or at the very best have to start over in getting campaign rewards for my time there. But this is just one issue, as I am not trying to play PvP 100% of my time. You should go back and my post you quoted, there are many other good points there that don't have anything to do with PvP.

"when you did play ESO you didn't learn much" < Grade A response there. Much thought. Very wow. To answer your question, I played for 2 weeks of pure on-game time since launch, got to VR 4 before hanging it up. I don't know where you are at in game (must be V12?) but I feel that's sufficient to have a grasp of how the game is. Don't be rude, there's no need for that.

AleriSadasIndoril

Welcome back

Ecco

GreySix wrote: »

Okay, maybe its because I'm older, but when I see "WildStar" I tend to think "WordStar"

For you kids, that's an old DOS-based word-processing program.

Oh yeah, I remember all the ^ codes lol. I also remember the comment that Seymour Rubenstein, CEO of WordStar at the time, made when the Mac was released: "The mouse is the perfect device for people with three hands".

Prophetic guy, eh?

Ecco

Thanks, all, for the welcome backs. We have our opinions about WS and we realize they are just ours and we understand others will feel very differently. Maybe it's an age difference, there is something about WS that feels twitchy, hyperactive, and neon bright. Whatever it is, reasonable gamers can come to different conclusions about the two games.

WS definitely has depth, the crafting system looked awesome and it's one thing I miss. But there really was nothing in WS comparable to the ESO 1-50 questing, which has always blown me away as epic, compelling and unique. I loved having to figure out the phases of the moon puzzles, and the multiple subplots in parallel. I'm not a big fan of dialog trees (reading is NOT a multiplayer experience) and it's one of the things I found most distasteful about SWTOR, but I was surprised to find how much interest I actually had in the 1-50 quests.

At the end of the day, what brought us back to ESO was the style, the feel, the music, and the clean boundaries between substance and fluff. WS was just too hyperactive and in your whole screen, I constantly felt overwhelmed. We came back to ESO with some trepidation but, within minutes, we were so at peace with how clearly our horses ran through familiar landscapes where it was easy to distinguish between substance and fluff, and how clearly defined our goals were. It was just more fun for us. And the combat here is also very different, and unique in a different way than WS's is. Both are non traditional non-targeting systems that place a big emphasis on position and aiming rather than tab targeting and looking at hp bars. You're in the game. But WS's demands a level of reflexes that, in my opinion, exalts form over substance. It's one thing to aim your heals and your DPS, but it's another to have to manage CDs and telegraphs in order to optimize it. You could argue that it requires more skill, but I would argue that it just requires a very different set of skills. Maybe more of them, but ESO's is challenging and fresh enough, and far more intuitive in my view.

Anyway, as someone else says, this thread wasn't supposed to be a comparison of the two games. But I did start that subtopic, so I think it's not really a hijack. We're back, and we're now in VR space and devoting a lot of time to optimizing our complement of crafting skills and research. I made my first set of Hunding's Rage and that's pretty satisfying.

Thanks for the warm welcome back. And kudos if you actually read ^^^ wall of text! ;-)

Maleficus

You can try to leave, but you will just wind up with an arrow to the knee!

phtony06b14_ESO

Morbus2 wrote: »

First, welcome back.

I, like many other people who play this game, come to the forums to express our dissatisfaction with the ZoS dev. team because of their inability to fix the many on going problems that this game has.

However, overall, I still like this game.

Pretty much sums it up for me.

Ecco

Maleficus wrote: »

You can try to leave, but you will just wind up with an arrow to the knee!

I went to the symphony here in Seattle right after Skyrim had been out a week or two. During an intermission I overheard a foursome discussing the program. Two middle-aged couples dressed formally, talking about Tchaikovsky. Then, one of the women said "I used to be a big fan of Tchaikovsky. Then I took an arrow in the knee" and everyone laughed. My wife and I chuckled but left that night feeling somehow much better about our gaming.

UrQuan

Esha76 wrote: »

On a side note, I am one of the rare adults who actually likes Wildstar for it's cartoon graphics.

I'm an adult too, and I also really like the Wildstar graphics, but... they prevent me from taking the game seriously. If it was a single player game with the same graphics, I'd probably buy it and play it casually here and there (and probably enjoy it). I couldn't pay a subscription for a game with graphics like that, though, because even though I think the graphics are cool, I would never be able to bring myself to play it enough for it to be worth the subscription. Cartoony graphics can only hold my attention for a limited time.

To keep things on topic, that's actually the reason ESO is the first MMO I've ever played. It's the first MMO I've seen with graphics that can actually hold my attention long enough for it to be worth playing an MMO. Graphics don't necessarily make or break a game, but they definitely affect how much I feel like playing a game. I never played WoW specifically because I always hated the graphics and the look of the game (which is a little weird, because I loved the look and graphics of Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, and Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness).

I guess the bottom line is that aesthetics are very personal. I like the aesthetics of Wildstar a lot, but those same aesthetics prevent me from playing it as an MMO (although I would play it as a single player game). I hate the aesthetics of WoW, and wouldn't play it either as an MMO or as a single player game. I like the aesthetics of ESO, and those aesthetics are a large part of the reason why I would play it either as an MMO or as a single player game. I don't even care if any of that seems contradictory.

Shaun98ca2

Ecco wrote: »

Thanks, all, for the welcome backs. We have our opinions about WS and we realize they are just ours and we understand others will feel very differently. Maybe it's an age difference, there is something about WS that feels twitchy, hyperactive, and neon bright. Whatever it is, reasonable gamers can come to different conclusions about the two games.

WS definitely has depth, the crafting system looked awesome and it's one thing I miss. But there really was nothing in WS comparable to the ESO 1-50 questing, which has always blown me away as epic, compelling and unique. I loved having to figure out the phases of the moon puzzles, and the multiple subplots in parallel. I'm not a big fan of dialog trees (reading is NOT a multiplayer experience) and it's one of the things I found most distasteful about SWTOR, but I was surprised to find how much interest I actually had in the 1-50 quests.

At the end of the day, what brought us back to ESO was the style, the feel, the music, and the clean boundaries between substance and fluff. WS was just too hyperactive and in your whole screen, I constantly felt overwhelmed. We came back to ESO with some trepidation but, within minutes, we were so at peace with how clearly our horses ran through familiar landscapes where it was easy to distinguish between substance and fluff, and how clearly defined our goals were. It was just more fun for us. And the combat here is also very different, and unique in a different way than WS's is. Both are non traditional non-targeting systems that place a big emphasis on position and aiming rather than tab targeting and looking at hp bars. You're in the game. But WS's demands a level of reflexes that, in my opinion, exalts form over substance. It's one thing to aim your heals and your DPS, but it's another to have to manage CDs and telegraphs in order to optimize it. You could argue that it requires more skill, but I would argue that it just requires a very different set of skills. Maybe more of them, but ESO's is challenging and fresh enough, and far more intuitive in my view.

Anyway, as someone else says, this thread wasn't supposed to be a comparison of the two games. But I did start that subtopic, so I think it's not really a hijack. We're back, and we're now in VR space and devoting a lot of time to optimizing our complement of crafting skills and research. I made my first set of Hunding's Rage and that's pretty satisfying.

Thanks for the warm welcome back. And kudos if you actually read ^^^ wall of text! ;-)

I will say I have been looking at that game. The gameplay does look difficult to handle in comparison even though the 2 are similar.

That said WS has some features that LOOK intriguing like the Warplots, Dungeons, Path system, and even the Raids.

But in reality the Warplots, Dungeons and ESPECIALLY Raids are WAY to hardcore and elitist for me to ever consider and think I MIGHT enjoy just to find out after a $60 purchase I 100% suck at the combat system LOL.


TESO is by far an extremely enjoyable game, once Im actually done with the story(level 43) MAYBE there will be some cool features at the end of the game besides JUST PVP not that I don't enjoy the PVP here.

GreySix

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Okay, maybe its because I'm older, but when I see "WildStar" I tend to think "WordStar"

For you kids, that's an old DOS-based word-processing program.

Doesn't the guy who wrote Game of Thrones write his books using WordStar? Thought I read an article stating that recently.

Wow, didn't know that. You have to do cheetah-flips to get WordStar to run on any modern machine - heck any machine running anything newer than Windows 98 anyway.

Marika

Welcome back Nothing better than going crazy gathering and bashing mobs ! When I realized that the ESO combat system was different than other games i have played i freaked out, but now you should see me in vet zones lol ! Long life to ESO!

Ecco

I don't know what kind of numbers ESO has, but I'm pretty sure it's destined to have a long and fulfilling life for its fans. One of the most exciting things about a new MMO that you *like* is knowing how much better it will get over time.

cigarsmoker

Ecco wrote: »

So ok, I jumped ship prematurely. But I'm back and I'm glad as hell.

Welcome Back!

ZOS_MichelleA

Welcome back to Tamriel, @Ecco! ^_^

ThisOnePosts

Welcome back!

cracker81

Welcome back wish I was playing. My desktop took a dive dam monitor or keyboard not responding. Oh well pick up today hope it just needed bios jump and not a new motherboard

kevlarto_ESO

I had a few friends jump ship for that other new game, and they all have came back to ESO, I beta tested that game for a long time, yea it has a lot of features, but just a very shallow game for me, I am sure it will have it's fans as well, like I tell myself often not all games are for everyone... And Welcome Back..:)

Morrawind

I used to play Wildstar but then i took an arrow to the knee ...

Raash

Heard some folks left the game for wildstar, came back to eso... Now they are gone again. No idea where tho.

Shaun98ca2

WS seemed a bit much to me. You have WAY WAY WAY more movement required than TESO plus the hotbar is 1-8 for action keys. This to me just sounds harder than it needs to be to play a game. NOT to mention that healing just about seems a chore in that game and Im glad TESO went with their design decision.

Ecco

Well, WS is very big on "telegraphing", which means you spend a lot of time looking at the ground and moving around a lot. I guess it's better than just standing around, tab targeting and looking at HP bars in a frame. But TESO's combat is a lot better use of time/space imo. And more fun.