Ok, I admit it. I missed ESO and I'm back

indytims_ESO

Welcome back!

GreySix

WS holds no interest for me ... at all, but my wife and I do jump between this game and SWTOR.

If ESO ever adopts those grouping dynamics, it will significantly increase its fun level.

Yankee

Nice that you missed ESO. I am leaving (not for Wildstar) as you are coming back. Will let my sub run for another month in case I miss it also.

Francescolg

Welcome back both!
Wildstar sucks because it's made by NCSoft. Once in AION I swore: I'll never again play a game by NCSoft.
Second, wildstar feels a bit like SWTOR. I'd never play such a game just because of the graphics and the ego shooter-like (action centered) style of play, this is by no mean an epic experience.
Third, ESO has got the potential if they keep CYRONDIL entertaining and they fill it up with new content. Cyrondil is one of the key-factors that distinguishes ESO from all other MMOs around. Introducing Arenas, or "less time"-BGs WILL NOT distinguish ESO any longer!

(DAOC PvP was like ESO, some..well..13 years ago, but Daoc had better "realm immersing": you played for a realm and you felt TOTALLY unique (no VR-leveling s..t), different styles, even different and amazing music YOU WOULD NEVER HEAR if you chose another realm.)

If they manage it to blow more "live" in Cyrondil and not just OP NPCs, they can manage the turn-around! More live = Significant world bosses, Significant drop-chances from monsters, no more by-mail items, more GOLD for doing PVP (balanced to PvE-Questing), Magicka-Potions that you buy with Rank Points, etc. etc.

I see so many chances for Cyrondil but I feel that nothing of it is beeing planned! Just the emperor-city alone is not enough, imo! Players need to be attracted by the PvP and the things (around it) you get by doing it, actually, after getting all Skyshards/Lorebooks, or having done the quests, there's no purpose to stay in Cyrondil. Siege battles + scrolls + .... alone will only hold the game up a few months!

Gedalya

Welcome back.

Azzuria

Wildstar: If WoW and My Little Pony had a sci-fi baby, raised by Tyrian Lannister.

Lalai

Azzuria wrote: »

Wildstar: If WoW and My Little Pony had a sci-fi baby, raised by Tyrian Lannister.

Aww.. come on now, don't insult Tyrion He's a lot more high brow witty than the bro jokes of Wildstar. The whole "do you even lift bro" type joke and environment style is actually one of the main reasons why I'm passing on the game. Boyfriend doesn't mind it, but I just couldn't bring myself to play it for over 30 minutes or so in beta. World didn't draw me in at all. Quests, animations.. all of it was just off putting.

And yeah, the forums over there are also typical of a launched game's forums. A few positive threads for the fans that like the game. A very large amount of negative threads, and bug threads... at least anytime I've visited it to try and troubleshoot an issue the boyfriend ran into. They are a bit better at keeping their bugs to the bug forums, so their general section does appear cleaner, but there's still a lot of negative. I predict in a few weeks they will also have people asking when the game is going F2P

Azzuria

Lalai wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

Wildstar: If WoW and My Little Pony had a sci-fi baby, raised by Tyrian Lannister.

Aww.. come on now, don't insult Tyrion He's a lot more high brow witty than the bro jokes of Wildstar.

I love me some Tyrion!! Favorite character in the whole series.

Lalai

Azzuria wrote: »

Lalai wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

Wildstar: If WoW and My Little Pony had a sci-fi baby, raised by Tyrian Lannister.

Aww.. come on now, don't insult Tyrion He's a lot more high brow witty than the bro jokes of Wildstar.

I love me some Tyrion!! Favorite character in the whole series.

He's mine too I'm coming around to Jaime though.. book version of Jaime, not the TV version. That's where I'll leave it though. Don't wanna be giving away spoilers. Plus.. derailing the thread.

Welcome back OP!

daneyulebub17_ESO

Welcome back.

I'm considering trying WS. My wife has yet to gel with ESO, a fact I put squarely on it's lack of good social features and things like housing and cosmetics. Not sure, though, if she'd go for the cartoony graphics and what seems to be a tongue-in-cheek, goofy slant to everything in WS. I know I won't, so I'll keep my sub here even if we play WS too. The much vaunted social/housing features might compel her though--although the combat may be a little tough for her to adapt to.

Anyway--I would love to hear more details from someone who has played both, and doesn't have an axe to grind for either game.

What IS the social aspect of WS like? Easy to to talk to people, or is everyone in their own little bubble like they seem to be in ESO? How fun and useful is the housing and vehicles? Is the community (ie, zone chat) toxic, immature or fun? How is the combat, especially for a more casual player?

Lalai

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Welcome back.

I'm considering trying WS. My wife has yet to gel with ESO, a fact I put squarely on it's lack of good social features and things like housing and cosmetics. Not sure, though, if she'd go for the cartoony graphics and what seems to be a tongue-in-cheek, goofy slant to everything in WS. I know I won't, so I'll keep my sub here even if we play WS too. The much vaunted social/housing features might compel her though--although the combat may be a little tough for her to adapt to.

Anyway--I would love to hear more details from someone who has played both, and doesn't have an axe to grind for either game.

What IS the social aspect of WS like? Easy to to talk to people, or is everyone in their own little bubble like they seem to be in ESO? How fun and useful is the housing and vehicles? Is the community (ie, zone chat) toxic, immature or fun? How is the combat, especially for a more casual player?

Honestly, from beta and what I've seen while boy is playing.. the housing and such is fun. The forums are just as toxic as the ones here. There are some threads saying the quests aren't made for groups, but boy doesn't like to group and I'm not playing the game with him so I can't really speak to that one (in beta we didn't run into too much trouble, gained a little less exp in a group than I did doing everything solo, but that's pretty typical). Very large thread about profanity in zone chat on the forums.. so I would venture a guess that zone chat is still zone chat. Also a large thread about gold spammers mailing people spam, and threads about the difficulty.

The dungeons, at least in beta, were pretty harsh and require a good amount of coordination to pull off, some of the open world mobs can be that way too if you aren't paying attention. A lot of the times they'll have a higher level, or elite type mob mixed in around non-elites. I think there's suppose to be a feature that highlights them in red, but it doesn't always work right now (there have been quite a few deaths followed by cussing due to this around our computer room).

The housing though is definitely awesome. Tons of features and all that, and lots of stuff you can do with it. I actually had a lot of fun with it in beta. The whole neighborhood bit is cool too (how your friends can come over and farm your stuff and all).

In the end I'd recommend giving it a go and see what you think for yourself. Difficulty is pretty subjective.. what I think was hard you may find easy and vice versa. The forums are never really a good representation of what the game actually is. They're always overwhelmingly negative for any game.

Haxer

I'm all for respecting a difference of opinion, but seriously, if you haven't tried it and are writing it off because of the color palette, you're missing out. I did 1 month of both to see which would keep me. I was also a huge ESO fanboy, tried to hate WS, called it wowstar, talked about how the style was cartoony, told other people they should get ESO instead. And then I actually played it:

*takes a deep breath* It's extremely well done, no Mega-Server phasing, fluid combat mechanics, class balance, way more depth in terms of things to do besides quest grind, player housing, path quests based on how you want to play, stable working PvP, no getting locked into a dead campaign, social/guild functionality, you can actually complete quests with other players, late game that doesn't consist of doing another factions starter zones, the community isn't actually going berserk, actually seeing lots of other players in game, 99% of players don't have the same mount, you get actual rewards for killing world bosses, bosses are challenging and require people to group up, and I mean this in the sincerest way possible: I think a lot of what's being said here is just denial to self-reassure. Notice that no one after will acknowledge this post.

Don't get me wrong, I am very eager for ESO to have all of that ^ and I will be the first one back when they do. But they don't. WS is the far better game at the moment by years (apparently 2 years according to ZoS predictions of when they will add these things) by any stretch of the imagination. So...unless color palette is more important to you than all of that, maybe you should actually give it a fair shake. Who knows, you might agree with me.

ers101284b14_ESO

Blackwidow wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Anyway, welcome back, judging by Wildstar forum a lot will follow soon eh eh eh

I've been reading the Wildstar forums. They seem quite happy over there in general.

I've meandered over to those forums also. They aren't happier with it, the complaint threads just seem to disappear quicker. Saw one about a guy who was P.O'ed about a bunch of bugs and getting randomly kicked when all of a sudden the page refreshed and the forum could no longer be found.

Elirienne

Looked at wildstar classes/races, looks absolutely awful. completely different league.

Enteum

Azzuria wrote: »

Lalai wrote: »

Azzuria wrote: »

Wildstar: If WoW and My Little Pony had a sci-fi baby, raised by Tyrian Lannister.

Aww.. come on now, don't insult Tyrion He's a lot more high brow witty than the bro jokes of Wildstar.

I love me some Tyrion!! Favorite character in the whole series.

And does Mr. R R Martin know this. I'm dreading the next episodes when I get back from abroad.

I am also looking forward to getting back in game, even though I seriously don't want to return home from this country.

However, OP. Welcome back

Misty

I told everyone here that you would be back, and I was right. If you want your stuff back, can I keep the black shiny thing?

Makkir

Kleenex must love forums like these, helps to boost stock prices.

Nukeyak

I have recently purchased WS just to check it out and, OK, I admit things were starting to bog down for me a little in ESO Veteran levels. I haven't spent much time in WS yet, but am hoping it can serve as an interesting change of pace. ESO I think is a brilliantly designed game, I absolutely love the flexible talent system which continues albeit at slower rate in vet levels. I don't mind at all doing another faction's quests, actually think this is an effective design feature vs alternative of all instances dungeons and pvp in end game.

Now WS is a very fluid game and the visuals are fun and crazy, but I think may grow old quicker than ESO. WS is a jumbled cacophony of bright colors and weird verticle landscape. Fundamentally, I think WS is appealing to younger more nimble gamers who are into non-stop twitch gaming and stuff like platforming which I absolutely hate. I'm already pretty sure I will dislike WS endgame of endless hard core raiding and pvp. Player housing? Well I don't know, might be amusing, but not something I would buy a game for. I'll take Cyridiil over that I think.

ESO lore, well here I actually might have to side with WS. I have no patience to read lore books tho the ESO story lines are OK, enhance the game, probably second best in any MMO after highly underrated TSW. WS cuts thru all that, it's light hearted, has no ponderous lore to wade thru (although I still enjoy ESO even with barely skimming the lore,other than main story quests, which again are not bad at all.) And it's nice to not have to listen to a British accent for a change.

ESO is like a steak dinner, WS like a banana split with cherries and nuts on top, I like both, just depends on my mood (tho most of the time I'll take the steak!)

hk11

I play it while waiting to get through the wildstar queues, but I can't get into it. I don't feel like there is any reason to level other than for the sake of leveling.

I keep hanging on waiting for something to happen, but so far no luck. At least in WS, I have a reason to level. Plus there is a ton of world pvp right now and the dungeons are a blast. Hard to play ESO when there is so much stuff going on in WS.

For the record, everyone I have met in WS so far have been old MMO dogs. At least once you get past lvl 20. Once you hit 20 and do a dungeon, you are either going to love it or hate it because it's not casual friendly. Entitlement teens/young adults are not going to be into it.

Nazon_Katts

Welcome back! Here, have your fishy stick returned!

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Haxer wrote: »

I'm all for respecting a difference of opinion, but seriously, if you haven't tried it and are writing it off because of the color palette, you're missing out. I did 1 month of both to see which would keep me. I was also a huge ESO fanboy, tried to hate WS, called it wowstar, talked about how the style was cartoony, told other people they should get ESO instead. And then I actually played it:

*takes a deep breath* It's extremely well done, no Mega-Server phasing, fluid combat mechanics, class balance, way more depth in terms of things to do besides quest grind, player housing, path quests based on how you want to play, stable working PvP, no getting locked into a dead campaign, social/guild functionality, you can actually complete quests with other players, late game that doesn't consist of doing another factions starter zones, the community isn't actually going berserk, actually seeing lots of other players in game, 99% of players don't have the same mount, you get actual rewards for killing world bosses, bosses are challenging and require people to group up, and I mean this in the sincerest way possible: I think a lot of what's being said here is just denial to self-reassure. Notice that no one after will acknowledge this post.

Don't get me wrong, I am very eager for ESO to have all of that ^ and I will be the first one back when they do. But they don't. WS is the far better game at the moment by years (apparently 2 years according to ZoS predictions of when they will add these things) by any stretch of the imagination. So...unless color palette is more important to you than all of that, maybe you should actually give it a fair shake. Who knows, you might agree with me.

You described wow with a couple acceptions. Sorry, been there done that. And the graphics are always a big seller for me, and after watching it, it really is an annoying look. And I don't base my love for a game on housing or whether or not I can ride a robot or chicken or robot chicken (although I may like the robot chicken). Seeing other people on horses makes sense to me.

Also, how is it that you get "locked" into a dead campaign in ESO? pretty easy to change your home campaign. I think maybe you didn't play ESO much or when you did you didn't learn much.

coryevans_3b14_ESO

hk11 wrote: »

I play it while waiting to get through the wildstar queues, but I can't get into it. I don't feel like there is any reason to level other than for the sake of leveling.

I keep hanging on waiting for something to happen, but so far no luck. At least in WS, I have a reason to level. Plus there is a ton of world pvp right now and the dungeons are a blast. Hard to play ESO when there is so much stuff going on in WS.

For the record, everyone I have met in WS so far have been old MMO dogs. At least once you get past lvl 20. Once you hit 20 and do a dungeon, you are either going to love it or hate it because it's not casual friendly. Entitlement teens/young adults are not going to be into it.

The point of the OP was that he and his wife came back, this wasn't supposed to be a thread about how you like WS. I am glad you found a game that you like though. I always need one or I go nuts.

babylon

Ecco wrote: »

I know that "goodbye posts" violate the code of conduct and get locked (I didn't actually know that until after I posted one, but I know it now). I don't know if "I'm back" posts are in violation, but I suppose I will learn if so.

Anyway, my wife and I left after some frustration and tried Wildstar. We were there for all of a week and could not WAIT to get back to ESO. Two WS subs cancelled, and I'm glad we didn't yet cancel our ESO subs. It is so good to be back to a game that is epic in every way, that is fun to play (we spent our first night back in Cyrodil), and can only get better. Yes, we've had quest blocking frustrations, but we have confirmed that the main ones that were bothering us have been fixed.

At the end of the day, the main reason we are back is because ESO is just such a better game. More fun, more epic, simple but deep, and ultimately very rewarding to play. And it will only get better in time. The thought of all that's to come after stability is reached is pretty exciting.

So ok, I jumped ship prematurely. But I'm back and I'm glad as hell.

Welcome back ESO > WildStar by far.

Ser Lobo

Blackwidow wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Anyway, welcome back, judging by Wildstar forum a lot will follow soon eh eh eh

I've been reading the Wildstar forums. They seem quite happy over there in general.

To be honest, on every forum there are fanboi's, haters, and genuine critics/supporters. Many of your arguments here are reflections of my arguments in other games.

Some see the negative, and only the negative. I kinda feel that to you, ANYTHING is better than the game you have chosen to dislike.

Kinda like me and WoW. I dislike WoW, and chose to. When I go to WoW's forums (and now Wildstar's, for fun), I see nothing but other players who feel like me, and a few fanboi's raging against.

drkeys143

Welcome back guys

drogon1

Some of you people crack me up. You don't have to bash Wildstar to make you feel better about ESO.

Both are good games, and quite different. I like the gameplay in both games, though they feel quite different.

Having said that, I'm finding myself logging into Wildstar almost exclusively now. My ESO toons are stuck in their 20s (yes I play 5 toons in 2 factions in ESO, including 2 heals and 2 tanks), because I am bored beepless of questing solo content to get anywhere with my characters. Plus, there is almost zero reason to play a healer or tank with so little grouping pre-VR.

Wildstar on the other hand is fun and new, and offers a ton of content right out the gate, and - importantly - offers great variety in how to play the game (pvp, dungeons, questing, etc.). It overall seems a bit less buggy than ESO as well.

Players that like a single player questing experience will prefer ESO (or open world PvP but you need to be willing to slog to higher levels to compete there). Regular MMOers will be drawn more toward Wildstar. In this sense, due to ESO's narrower appeal, it will need to work harder to find a stable and large enough playerbase to support it (I am skeptical one exists without ESO conforming more to traditional MMO standards, such as allowing players to gain xp in dungeons).

fredarbonab14_ESO

^^ Well said, both are excellent games, just starting and with a degree of ~patience~ they both off us MMOers a better choice than a few months ago.

Welcome back Ecco, now go have fun!

P.S. BTW I am trying a new playing angle and been a blast; I am leveling 3 different characters in 3 different factions, 10 levels at a time. Loving it. Above all the communities in all 3 factions are the same - great.

GreySix

Okay, maybe its because I'm older, but when I see "WildStar" I tend to think "WordStar"

For you kids, that's an old DOS-based word-processing program.

Ser Lobo

GreySix wrote: »

Okay, maybe its because I'm older, but when I see "WildStar" I tend to think "WordStar"

For you kids, that's an old DOS-based word-processing program.

Doesn't the guy who wrote Game of Thrones write his books using WordStar? Thought I read an article stating that recently.

Catches_the_Sun

Welcome back.