Bolt Escape Nerf is Broken

AshleyLee

The 50% cost increase for bolt escape is broken. What dissapoints me the most on this is that I REPORTED IT ON THE PTS. via /bug and in this post http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107596/bolt-escape-streak#latest

They ignored the bug and the applied a nerf, a broken nerf, to the Live servers. I have never been as disapointed as I am right now in ZOS. Really, you dont care about having things fixed or working you just post nerf's to "quiet the masses".

I have removed jewerly to test and the "additional" cost is still there. I have yet to make the skill only charge 50% it is always a higher amount.

My issue here is NOT that it was nerf'd that it was nerf'd and applied BROKEN. If it was to cost more than say so. DONT APPLY BROKEN NERF'S.

The Details on my testing.

My Streak costs 228 magicka. 50% is 114. 228+114=342. Actual Cost is 414. According to the tooltip during the 4sec and by watching my actual magicka use.

this is exactly the bug i reported on PTS. I reported it the first day I was able to get on PTS exactly 1 day after it came up for Public use.

Morimizo

Solid evidence, both of the broken nerf, and Zos' willingness to push them forth anyway. Disturbing pattern of behavior is disturbing. And being part of the PTS is helping how, exactly?

I've noticed numerous other numbers that don't match correctly either, and would like more in-game information on ALL skills without having to download add-ons (that I'm just told to turn off the first time I get ANY error message).

Mujuro

@AshleyLee I'm curious as to whether ZOS believes what you mention as "broken" to be truly so. It appears they may be using the raw cost -- unmodified by gear, passives, etc. -- in determining the 50% penalty, and probably because they can't/won't account for every permutation/combination of skills/gear players may choose to use.

Just my $0.02, I could be wrong.

AshleyLee

Mujuro wrote: »

@AshleyLee I'm curious as to whether ZOS believes what you mention as "broken" to be truly so. It appears they may be using the raw cost -- unmodified by gear, passives, etc. -- in determining the 50% penalty, and probably because they can't/won't account for every permutation/combination of skills/gear players may choose to use.

Just my $0.02, I could be wrong.

I thought so too, but I have tried it w/o any gear and it still charges more.

AshleyLee

Also, the fact they just havent responded even on the PTS forums which they are very active on about other things, indicates to me, in my opinion, they know its broken, Cant/wont fix.

Moiskormoimi

Welcome to why you shouldn't have been that excited to be included in the PTS in the first place. Also, welcome to what we've (the prior pts'ers ) have had to deal with.

limeli8

Its not broken, but it is 2 much of a nerf. 50% is counted of your base cost not the cost you have with cost reduction applied. I do hope they change it to 30% or even less later because 50% makes ability not worth slotting, and especially during lag it goes of more times than intended draining your magica pool and getting you killed.

AshleyLee

As I have mentioned elsewere, non-magika build users will be more affected by this nerf. Magika build users like myself, its not that big of a deal. I am just very very very dissapointed that its broken and not working correctly. Or if it is working correctly, why do they NOT respond to posts about it. Especially on the PTS forum.

Fuzzylumpkins

Think of the PTS as a massive waste of time for some players to use trying out upcoming content releases but not actually being used as a platform for feedback and answers. Some of us referred to PTS as beta for 6 months prior to release. Ends up like many other super hyped releases it was used as a hype tool and not actually to check player feedback and the game went live with some very memorable breaks and issues reported for months.

Now if it is something like exp grinding or extensive loot drops, that will be handled right away. Actual game breaking experiences, not so much.

Morbus2

Unbelievable. The level of incompetence at ZoS is just staggering. Yet again they have proven that they can't do anything right.

SootyTX

You are all assuming the 50% extra cost is suppsed to be reduced by passives, jewelry etc the same as the primary cost. This is a huge assumption, and, given the lack of comment from ZoS both on PTS and since, most likely an incorrect one.

If I'm proven wrong, I'll return to this thread and apologize. I sincerely doubt any of you will do the same for the insults you've hurled should I be proven correct however.

AshleyLee

Below are screenshots with no gear on all, so no passives from gear, or light armor or jewerly.

Base Cost: 334 divide 50% =167 | 334+167=501

Charged: 529
ZOS Plz send your programers back to school so they can learn how to do math.

Or have your programmers document EXACTLY HOW A SKILL WORKS. You are doing your best to have unhappy players! Especially since we have reported and reported and reported and reported and post after post after post.

jonal11_ESO

Canceled Sub. Peace Out! (*)

NaughtyDog

I am not sure what to say if this is true. I mean whats the point for asking ppl to test on PTS for them to report bugs, just for it to be ignored and pushed through patch away.

This makes me wonder about all the patches and skills lately xD.

AshleyLee

NaughtyDog wrote: »

I am not sure what to say if this is true. I mean whats the point for asking ppl to test on PTS for them to report bugs, just for it to be ignored and pushed through patch away.

This makes me wonder about all the patches and skills lately xD.

Let me add to this discussion. There is a bug'd quest Welcome to Cyrodiil see this thread.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107117/siege-warfare-quest-in-cyrodiil-bugged#latest

Now let me point you to this post.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107602/welcome-to-cyrodiil-bug#latest

Huh, reported this bug on the PTS.
Bug is now on Live Server.

Phantax

Not the first time Zeni have pushed stuff onto the live servers knowing it was broken. Happened pre launch, happened pre Craglorn and its still happening. They seriously need to restructure who is in charge and who has final say BEFORE anything goes live.

AshleyLee

Phantax wrote: »

Not the first time Zeni have pushed stuff onto the live servers knowing it was broken. Happened pre launch, happened pre Craglorn and its still happening. They seriously need to restructure who is in charge and who has final say BEFORE anything goes live.

I agree with you 100%. They have consistently been dropping the ball. The lack of communication is worse than anything. By ignoring us and not even acknowleding these issues 99% of the time, people are leaving and leaving in droves. I was very saddend today looking at the roster in one of my guilds. The number of people who have left is astounding.

ZOS you need to step up, you need to get your act together.

Venithar

NaughtyDog wrote: »

I am not sure what to say if this is true. I mean whats the point for asking ppl to test on PTS for them to report bugs, just for it to be ignored and pushed through patch away.

This makes me wonder about all the patches and skills lately xD.

I believe the "people" whined about wanting to play on the PTS, not ZoS asking them to play on it (excluding the PO that is)

Columba

Sorcs are still escaping way too easily. Nerf wasn't enough

AshleyLee

Columba wrote: »

Sorcs are still escaping way too easily. Nerf wasn't enough

Better nerf NB they can turn invisble and get away.

Better nerf DK, they hurt me too much..

Better nerf Templars they heal through all my damage.

oh gee, better Nerf the Nerf' requesters they Want too Much Nerf.

Venithar

Yes, please hotfix this broken nerf.

Morbus2

AshleyLee wrote: »

NaughtyDog wrote: »

I am not sure what to say if this is true. I mean whats the point for asking ppl to test on PTS for them to report bugs, just for it to be ignored and pushed through patch away.

This makes me wonder about all the patches and skills lately xD.

Let me add to this discussion. There is a bug'd quest Welcome to Cyrodiil see this thread.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107117/siege-warfare-quest-in-cyrodiil-bugged#latest

Now let me point you to this post.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107602/welcome-to-cyrodiil-bug#latest

Huh, reported this bug on the PTS.
Bug is now on Live Server.

/facepalm

Omnevolus

Is it possible that passives obtained by skill point allocation are not considered part of the applied cost? None of the examples given above have factored an outcome without them; but if they are (not?) a factor, might it explain the appearance of the supposed discrepancy?

crislevin

Omnevolus wrote: »

Is it possible that passives obtained by skill point allocation are not considered part of the applied cost? None of the examples given above have factored an outcome without them; but if they are (not?) a factor, might it explain the appearance of the supposed discrepancy?

at this point, I really don't care how they use their calculators.

just know its practically 100% increase as normal human would understand.

Artemiisia

this is gonna be fun, now I can as a non bolt sorcerer user, finally kill the once that managed to slips away

Didn't get mad about it though, I just smiled at said to myself, it was there lucky day, and I didn't do a good enough job to cc them.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Phantax wrote: »

They seriously need to restructure who is in charge and who has final say BEFORE anything goes live.

Yeah, sadly the bean counters rarely play the game.

crislevin

Artemiisia wrote: »

this is gonna be fun, now I can as a non bolt sorcerer user, finally kill the once that managed to slips away

Didn't get mad about it though, I just smiled at said to myself, it was there lucky day, and I didn't do a good enough job to cc them.

so you like to exploit a exploit? gotcha.

Artemiisia

crislevin wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

this is gonna be fun, now I can as a non bolt sorcerer user, finally kill the once that managed to slips away

Didn't get mad about it though, I just smiled at said to myself, it was there lucky day, and I didn't do a good enough job to cc them.

so you like to exploit a exploit? gotcha.

so tell me how I exploit anything,

I never used bolt escape

I never got mad about people using it, its their call, I dont whine about it.

I kill people if I can.

so where is the exploit in that, im not the one making the bolt behave like that am i ????? NO

so again where do I exploit anything......

Artemiisia

or let me say it like this, no matter what the cost is, if I have 4 secs to kill you before the next bolt escape Im gonna take it

crislevin

right, bugged bolt escape handed the opponent to you, he/she theoretically should have sufficient magicka to get away, but this bug makes him/her unable to.

taking advantage of a bug is called exploit, in anybody's book.

Omnevolus

crislevin wrote: »

Omnevolus wrote: »

Is it possible that passives obtained by skill point allocation are not considered part of the applied cost? None of the examples given above have factored an outcome without them; but if they are (not?) a factor, might it explain the appearance of the supposed discrepancy?

at this point, I really don't care how they use their calculators.

just know its practically 100% increase as normal human would understand.

Okay, as long as we're admitting that logic and reason take a backseat to thoughtlessly irrational tantrums in this discussion, I suppose we're good. Carry on, no one needs to listen any more anyway.