Kill Credit for Healers

richardschuitrwb17_ESO

Just ran Crypt of Hearts as a healer. I got credit for 7 kills. I used the Achievement tracker addon and watched my undead kill count.

Started at 1004, finished at 1011.

Seriously, unless I stood there and pumped heavy attcks into mobs I didnt get credit for the kill.

Why? This must be an oversight, surely.

richardschuitrwb17_ESO

Now that I think about it, I healed Obsidian Scar today and wondered why afterwards I got no kill credit for any of the named mobs in there, of which we killed all of.

stumpy999

does that mean you received no xp? So you are basically losing out playing a healer?

Merlin13KAGL

As I understand it, kill credit is seperate from XP credit...You either have to have the killing blow or more than 50% damage contributed to get the credit, with some exceptions if you're grouped.

I've the same issue with my Frost Atronach count...I've dropped several ~ my kill counter only credits 2.

What level is your character?

CoH is a L30 dungeon, so if you are over L35 it's (unfortunately) probably right. No credit/XP's for anything more than 5 levels below your character.

I believe the dungeon achievement points continue to go up though.

I play a healer regularly, and as long as I get enough heals in (group) and/or the occasional hit, the kill credit and XP's are credited accordingly. I'm not sure the exact cut off though.

(I've one character in AD and one in DF at this time.)

This is another one of those areas where some clarification from ZoS would be nice, so we know exactly what it is we're looking for and where it no longer makes a difference...

richardschuitrwb17_ESO

I was over leveled for the dungeon, but I am now for anything this side of Coldharbour, Im level 46.

Im not chasing exp at all, thats not why I run dungeons, but as someone that likes completing achievements, not getting credit for kills is a real kick in the arse.

I got kill credit in my achievement tracker if I stopped healing and just used heavy attacks, but theres no way I can do this and keep a team of people alive. My role is healer, and seeing as how my actions are keeping them on their feet, I should be getting credit for the kills too.

7 kill credits for an anetire dungeon is a joke.

Good point re: frost atros as well. I think my counter is the same, 2 or 3 yet Ive been part of groups farming Dolmens and swear to god theres been more than 2 of those over the last 2 months.

AngryWolf

I noticed this at anchors as well. So pump some lighting strikes so I can loot the bodies as well. Hopefully an oversight, if your there as a healer, you should get equal credit, not punished for more or less doing your task.

eliisra

If dps is to effective you might not get credit or loot as a healer. The heal wont tick and register as contribution, since mobs die to fast.

DPS > Heal as far as contribution is counted. It's basically pointless to heal open landscape large groups. You get next to nothing. In 4-man dungeons it's more evenly distributed, since it takes a while before stuff dies and the heal ticks gets counted for. But you still miss out a bit compared to someone that's AoE'ing, tagging everything.

I often slot Razor Caltroops or some other big AoE (as in covers a large area), when healing "speed runs" or anything else where stuff dies to fast. That way I get more loot and credits for achievements.

If heals aren't needed, you wont get anything for healing. Guessing that's the logic behind it. Or just bad coding. Who knows.

ZiRM

NERF Healers!

Qumulous

Don't you know this game is still in BETA?

richardschuitrwb17_ESO

I considered the fact that the DPS "might" be so effective as to counteract against my healing for credit, but theres no chance of that happening for an entire run. Hell, I wouldnt have to heal much if that was the case. The run in particular was with level 29's and 30's, so there was plenty of healing being chucked out. From memory I racked about 200k healing points according to my achievement tracker.

Really need some clarification on this.

Nidwin

You know that if you only heal, no dps, at Dolmens you receive zero, nada loot. For weeks I thought Dolmens didn't gave loot at all, till a guildie told me otherwise.

Anath_Q

Nidwin wrote: »

You know that if you only heal, no dps, at Dolmens you receive zero, nada loot. For weeks I thought Dolmens didn't gave loot at all, till a guildie told me otherwise.

I just discovered this myself. Now I have a little angel on one shoulder whispering "heal, heal!" and a devilish imp on the other whispering "loot, loot!". Not that my templar contributes all that much dps, but some loot is better than no loot.

Ooops, I mean, umm, I'll unselfishly pass on loots and heal! Really, I will!

Cogo

First of all. Zenimax fixed that EVERYONE who does anything at Anchors gets credited for it.

However, mobs lower then 5 levels of you....you dont get loot from them.

If healers do not get credit for kills, feedback it. Zenimax stated they would. If there is a problem, I am sure they fix it if you make them know.

catpower

Cogo wrote: »

First of all. Zenimax fixed that EVERYONE who does anything at Anchors gets credited for it.

However, mobs lower then 5 levels of you....you dont get loot from them.

If healers do not get credit for kills, feedback it. Zenimax stated they would. If there is a problem, I am sure they fix it if you make them know.

Thank goodness they fixed the dolmens! As a healer I too went from pre launch until recently thinking that dolmens just didn't provide loot, lol!

Cogo

catpower wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

First of all. Zenimax fixed that EVERYONE who does anything at Anchors gets credited for it.

However, mobs lower then 5 levels of you....you dont get loot from them.

If healers do not get credit for kills, feedback it. Zenimax stated they would. If there is a problem, I am sure they fix it if you make them know.

Thank goodness they fixed the dolmens! As a healer I too went from pre launch until recently thinking that dolmens just didn't provide loot, lol!

Same here! I always helped but never got anything until they fixed that!

Natjur

Too many achievements are linked to 'death hit' so you only get credit if your the player who does the hit that killed the mob. This should be fixed so anyone in the GROUP with the person doing the death hit get the update and this will fix most things.

snagallnub18_ESO

stumpy999 wrote: »

does that mean you received no xp? So you are basically losing out playing a healer?

yea same thing happens to me also... i play a templar and the only viable spec atm is healing...sucks that i dont get loot doing the job my class was made for

Kulrig

I always wondered why my brother got achievements for the tougher world bosses and I didn't (along with the loot). That also explains why I only started getting loot from Dolmens recently.

So... does this mean that if I go into a trial as a healer, I don't get credit for killing the bosses which means no awardment which means no dye? If so, I'm sure as Oblivion not going to put up with the stress of trying to heal a herd of cats just so they can get rewarded for tunneling the boss.

silent88b14_ESO

I bet there are alot of 'stand-up' meetings going on at Zenimax.

richardschuitrwb17_ESO

Its pretty bad the more you think about it.

I didnt know there was loot at Dolmens either, theres a chest available?

As for exp, well, I havent had a problem leveling and I think its way to fast to level anyway, but thats another point entirely.

My point is, if you play as a healer youre completely getting jipped in the achievements department and its complete rubbish.

Merlin13KAGL

richardschuitrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I didnt know there was loot at Dolmens either, theres a chest available?

@richardschuitrwb17_ESO‌
The chest is a recent addition from one of the patches...so long as you have contributed (healing, dps, or pinion drop), you should have access to it. Usually falls out of the sky to the right of the stairs at closure. (Yet ironically, never crushes anyone below it.)

I've gotten credit for bosses at Dolmens and loot as well playing as a healer. Bear in mind the 5 level restriction mentioned above (anything more than 5 levels below you don't count, with the boss exception).

For XP/loot credit, your heal has to be active on the individuals that kill the beast. If there are 5 guys fighting on one side and another 5 fighting on the other, you should get kill credit/XP/potential loot from the 5 you have active heals on, but not on the ones you don't.

As a healer, try to spread the love as much as possible for max XP/loot. HoT and area effect will both count towards this.

richardschuitrwb17_ESO

Alright, just for clarification, I dont give a crap about loot and exp.

Exp is way too easy to get, and loot is humdrum boring same old same old with terrible thoughtless sets available.

As a healer...in a dungeon...unless I stop HEALING and start FIGHTING I dont get credits for kills that count towards the "Kill X number of mobs" achievements.


And the 5 levels thing doesnt make a difference. I can solo spindleclutch and get a kill credit for every mob in there...why? Because Im the one KILLING THEM. So, as a HEALER Im getting screwed out of the one thing thats got me interested in staying a little longer, that being achievements.

Asawasa

this has always been a problem for healers in MMOs. you would think the common mechanic would be designed to give credit to the group as a whole not just the ones doing the damage.

richardschuitrwb17_ESO

Asawasa wrote: »

this has always been a problem for healers in MMOs. you would think the common mechanic would be designed to give credit to the group as a whole not just the ones doing the damage.

You take your common sense and get the hell out.

But yeah, basically this. Youre inside an instance together, youre within range of the kills, youre active during fights. You get credit.

failkiwib16_ESO

Last night I helped two 20-30 level friends of mine in the first group dungeon in Deshaan, and that was the first time I got an achievement unlocked there. I'm a VR5 Templar, and I usually play as a tank and healer. I wonder how many other achivements I lack, because of this system.

I was not aware of this issue at all, before I read this thread

dodgehopper_ESO

To some degree there is a problem here with this. When playing as a team player is converse to getting the rewards, people will eventually just not be team players. Since its a game, you should try to promote people behaving as team players, so I would hope that Healers are getting proper credit.

Inco

I've seen the same thing time and time again when I heal. I have to throw out a LOT of DPS in between heals to get credit. Found that is just about the most stupid thing I've seen. Partially due to overhealing and partially for not getting equal credit if you are just partially healing. Templar healers don't exactly have TOP of the line DPS while in Healer Spec.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Nidwin wrote: »

You know that if you only heal, no dps, at Dolmens you receive zero, nada loot. For weeks I thought Dolmens didn't gave loot at all, till a guildie told me otherwise.[/quote

you have to be grouped to get credit for what other people are doing. if you are all a group you will get credit. but unless there is only 3-4 people at anchor u should need to dedicated heal.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

shouldnt need to dedicated heal*

Rylana

This is also an issue in group dungeon advancement missions. You wont be able to loot the boss corpse in order to get the required mission item to advance the one-off mission.

Its really stupid.

kiralia

I don't get it, what do you guys do while your party fights? If you are not getting credit for heals cos your party is not taking enough damage, and you are not getting credit for dps cos you are not hitting stuff?

I play templar healer too and have not noticed any problem getting credit for achievements and quests in group content. I usually hate it when people say there isn't an issue just cos they have not seen it personally so please fill me in.