Player Housing 2 years? It better be damn good ! ! !

Saint_JiubB14_ESO

for the record, player housing was announced to not be a priority at all almost 1 year ago.

also, all the article says is that it is a low priority compared to skill balancing, TG/DB, justice system, and that it would be.... wait for it...... MAYBE 1 year OR 2 away. but really there is no idea because they've been working on the other aspects I mentioned.

so now you can go back to talking about housing systems and not posting about "OMG 2 YEARS!!1!!1"

Wolfshead

Phantax wrote: »

Well Zenimax has already said its likely to be after the 2nd anniversary before we see player housing (personally I think that's way too late). I've just watched a video of the player housing in Wildstar and OMG ! All I can say is ESO's player housing had better be good if this is the standards other MMO's are setting. (RIFT did it great, Wildstar now better)

(not sure if I can post the link here or not)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jLc0esD1fc

Well Zenimax, you got 2 years to sort out player housing and it'd better be AAA rating quality. I'm talking Skyrim epic levels of housing. The gauntlet has been thrown down, zeni... don't let us down ! ! !

Serious 2 year is nothing WoW playerbase have been wait for almost 10 year not until WoD expansion is blizzard add player house so i honest don't see why you are whine about 2 year wait time

AngryNord

tylarthb16_ESO wrote: »

hmm can build a real house faster than that.

Jehovah's Witnesses can build one in a week...

babylon

They need to implement housing much sooner, to grab the social players.

Kililin

While the art-style is a dealbreaker for me too it is quite sad that it is the only argument left against wildstar...

Sallakat

I don't understand why lack of housing, or the postponing of it, would ruin someone's day. I personally couldn't care less about stuff like that, it seems like as useless idea as the trophies you get as rewards :P

Tannakaobi

I don't really see the point in instanced housing. If I wanted to make a house I'd be playing a house building sim....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsw1jLHoqI

.... and I don't see how eso could do anything but instanced housing.

Nazon_Katts

Sallakat wrote: »

I don't understand why lack of housing, or the postponing of it, would ruin someone's day. I personally couldn't care less about stuff like that, it seems like as useless idea as the trophies you get as rewards :P

That's what the Devs thought, now look where this has brought them.

Sallakat

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

Sallakat wrote: »

I don't understand why lack of housing, or the postponing of it, would ruin someone's day. I personally couldn't care less about stuff like that, it seems like as useless idea as the trophies you get as rewards :P

That's what the Devs thought, now look where this has brought them.

I might be missing something here, but where exactly 'have the devs been brought to'? perhaps it's people saying that unless housing comes in so-and-so time, they will leave for Wildstar that already has housing? Or what?

If someone wants to leave a game due to lack of housing, please don't let the door hit you on the way. Because seriously.... xD

iorlas

...as the last door closes and you're left all alone.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Wolfshead wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

Well Zenimax has already said its likely to be after the 2nd anniversary before we see player housing (personally I think that's way too late). I've just watched a video of the player housing in Wildstar and OMG ! All I can say is ESO's player housing had better be good if this is the standards other MMO's are setting. (RIFT did it great, Wildstar now better)

(not sure if I can post the link here or not)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jLc0esD1fc

Well Zenimax, you got 2 years to sort out player housing and it'd better be AAA rating quality. I'm talking Skyrim epic levels of housing. The gauntlet has been thrown down, zeni... don't let us down ! ! !

Serious 2 year is nothing WoW playerbase have been wait for almost 10 year not until WoD expansion is blizzard add player house so i honest don't see why you are whine about 2 year wait time

10 years ago player housing was almost unheard of .. in 2014 many games have it and a large proportion of players want it, especially in a 'franchise' like TES with the history of this feature in the games that precede it.

Also note how Blizzard are making 'housing' an aspect of the faction war, it's not 'real' housing as such.

Nazon_Katts

@Sallakat

Replace that sentence of yours with any missing, not working or unpolished feature. It doesn't matter if your personal tastes are different, people will leave if they don't get what they are looking for. And that's been plenty of folks up until now and they still do. Which will hurt your gaming experience eventually.

Sallakat

Luckily I'm surrounded by rational folks with equal view on things, aka my guild wouldn't disband at least due to lack of housing..

This issue now seems just another dis-proportioned matter, at least I would've thought to see the usual "DON'T BRING HOUSING UNTIL YOU'VE FIXED lag/staminabuilds/world hunger/*enter your personal issue here*" which is so very common here in whineland forums.

Tannakaobi

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

@Sallakat

Replace that sentence of yours with any missing, not working or unpolished feature. It doesn't matter if your personal tastes are different, people will leave if they don't get what they are looking for. And that's been plenty of folks up until now and they still do. Which will hurt your gaming experience eventually.

..
It's this 'if they don't get what they are looking for' mentality why things turn to rubbish. Developers should consider their work as art and do what they want and not what is expected.

When people make things to 'please' people you end up with generic garbage. This is why the music industry is just full of dross. Once upon a time it was people creating what they wanted to, it was interesting and new movements were common. Now it's this dull crap where everything sounds the same and every song is regurgitated.

The mmo gaming industry is already going down that path. Already ESO looks and feels much more like WoW than it does TES. Which is where the biggest problems lie.

People don't really know what they want, they just know what they like when it's in front of them. A rehash of what has been and gone is never going to change the world.

Edit: It's why WildStar is destined for failure, it's a wow clone, once the novelty wears off everyone will go back to wow or move on to the next shiny thing.

Nazon_Katts

It's an AAA MMO with a clear mainstream target audience, they deliberately chose to please the masses. While I agree, that trying to please everyone is a set up for failure, I wouldn't say that neglecting core features of a genre falls into this category.

AlexDougherty

SilverWF wrote: »

2 years for housing? Why not 2 thousands years?!
Damn, I'll unsub untill it happens! but I'm sure, this will be f2p after 2 years ^^

Unsub because of housing, wow, nuff said.

AlexDougherty

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

tylarthb16_ESO wrote: »

hmm can build a real house faster than that.

Depends where you live, in Britian it would probably take eighteen months to get planning permission. Then you have to wait for inspectors at various points, to make sure it's up to regulation, and delays in supplies turning up.

Of course the actual building the house would go much quicker. Just the red tape.

Yeah, but you don't want a house put up TOO quick. I've worked on production-line houses in a boom town; the contractors want to cut corners and get away with whatever they can as quickly as possible. I bet some of those houses were no good after 5 years - leaks, shoddy roof, crappy siding jobs. I hated construction work for that; I was taught to do things right. But doing things right takes time, and time is money, friend.

Oh no doubt, I wasn't saying that the checks are pointless, just slow.
Definately you don't want your brand new house to fall apart after a few years.

Phantax

As many have already said housing has been an integral part of the TES franchise. Its something easily doable in an MMO and yet Zenimax have omitted this from ESO

Tannakaobi

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

It's an AAA MMO with a clear mainstream target audience, they deliberately chose to please the masses.

Aye, which is why it's a disappointment. It's a good game, I enjoy it and see myself playing it for a time, but I can't say I'm not a little disappointed. I expected and hoped for more.

Take classes for example, rather than stick with a really good system that worked and would make for really interesting and fresh mmo with plenty of options, they decided to go for what people know in mmo's, classes. The classes are OK, but no classes would have been so much more fun.

Why did they turn to this connect the dots map exploration format? Why not build from the start an open world where you can go anywhere? Or at least anywhere in your own faction.

Why build it as a 3rd person game? Yes it should be an option, but to only add 1st person because people were outraged that it wasn't even an option is shocking.

All signs that their aim was to make a 'profit' over a 'great' game. Not what I would expect from a TES game at all.

Sindala

Let's not forget in all this that ESO is not just 2 months old. It's 2 months old from release....but has been in development for the last 5 years with a HUGE budget.
Plenty of time to get the basics down that modern MMO players expect.
I'm starting to wonder what they did for 5 years on the 'reported' budget of $500 million when I can see games coming thru kickstarter which are far more developed on a shoe string budget, only a year old and have HOUSING!!!!

Hatred871

In 2 years this game will be devoid of players.

Releasing an incomplete MMORPG when the genre is full of other games with far more content is incredibly stupid, I have no idea why developers continue this idiotic cycle.

Wildstar is the first MMO that has even tried to release with modern content, instead of promising to add it after the playerbase has quit the game.

achimb16_ESO3

Housing is so much a part of the TES games and I really miss it.

No game without housing kept me playing for more than a year yet. I used to return to EQ2 and pay the monthly fee, where I have multiple houses, all with nice interior fitting the char's race and RP background, cellars with crafting stations, balconies with a view over town etc (I just don't play it any more because my PC broke down months ago and I prefer games that run on my iMac without the need to bootcamp them).

It's awesome what some people did with their houses (or even whole islands), and it was always fun to visit those to see what people came up with. For most people in my guild it was one of the main reasons to stay for years even with the monthly subscription.

And it gave an ongoing reason to craft - my woodworker always had something to do making new furniture.

Dusty5

2 years ? more like never. Looking at this train wreck from the start do you really expect and believe a time table? If you can log on and find all of your stuff that's about as good as its going to get around here. Doing anything else is a day to day thing.

Singular

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

Well Zenimax has already said its likely to be after the 2nd anniversary before we see player housing (personally I think that's way too late). I've just watched a video of the player housing in Wildstar and OMG ! All I can say is ESO's player housing had better be good if this is the standards other MMO's are setting. (RIFT did it great, Wildstar now better)

(not sure if I can post the link here or not)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jLc0esD1fc

Well Zenimax, you got 2 years to sort out player housing and it'd better be AAA rating quality. I'm talking Skyrim epic levels of housing. The gauntlet has been thrown down, zeni... don't let us down ! ! !

WTF is that... that has to be the worst looking game in history of games... Looks like I would be playing Sponge Bob's world... a color palette neon puke and neon poo would make my head explode after 1 min on play...

You have captured precisely how I feel about Wildstar.

Kililin

Hatred871 wrote: »

In 2 years this game will be devoid of players.

Releasing an incomplete MMORPG when the genre is full of other games with far more content is incredibly stupid, I have no idea why developers continue this idiotic cycle.

Wildstar is the first MMO that has even tried to release with modern content, instead of promising to add it after the playerbase has quit the game.

because it pays off, the only reason i can imagine.

Rev Rielle

Madval wrote: »

Meh housing. The only housing I cared was Everquest 2 because you could build your own table chair etc.
Damn my wife made tons of money in woodworking sellings high house stuff. And all the pets you gathered (catch them all) you could just put them in your house like a sort of grand ménagerie, and you could win stuff like wall decoration in their cards game.
And all was resizable on the fly. Yes. Even mini pets.
Ah and you could visit others home if set on free visit.

Yes. EQ 2 is the benchmark for player housing, no other MMO comes close.

Sindala

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Madval wrote: »

Meh housing. The only housing I cared was Everquest 2 because you could build your own table chair etc.
Damn my wife made tons of money in woodworking sellings high house stuff. And all the pets you gathered (catch them all) you could just put them in your house like a sort of grand ménagerie, and you could win stuff like wall decoration in their cards game.
And all was resizable on the fly. Yes. Even mini pets.
Ah and you could visit others home if set on free visit.

Yes. EQ 2 is the benchmark for player housing, no other MMO comes close.

Lol, EQ2 cant be a benchmark when it copied UO/Horizons.

Vendersleigh

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Madval wrote: »

Meh housing. The only housing I cared was Everquest 2 because you could build your own table chair etc.
Damn my wife made tons of money in woodworking sellings high house stuff. And all the pets you gathered (catch them all) you could just put them in your house like a sort of grand ménagerie, and you could win stuff like wall decoration in their cards game.
And all was resizable on the fly. Yes. Even mini pets.
Ah and you could visit others home if set on free visit.

Yes. EQ 2 is the benchmark for player housing, no other MMO comes close.

SWG housing was amazing. And so profitable for those like myself that specialised in crafting houses, furniture, gardens, guildhalls, town halls, theatres, cantinas, landing pads, etc. Plus the money I received in tips for decorating other people's houses as every item could be placed anywhere in the house on all three axes. Thus we ended with such glorious pieces as eg. pianos, imax cinemas, shops with items out to browse around, restaurants with food on the tables, indoor gardens, haunted houses.


In the end housing is like PvP; it is something that one gets or does not. Also like PvP, it gives the player a measure of control and means of showing off.
And we all like to have some control in our lives. Between school and the work that most of us do we do not have so much control thus the importance of holidays and hobbies, where we get to make the decisions. The more decisions allowed in a game to the players, the more the players become invested in the game and the longer they stay playing.

Nazon_Katts

Singular wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

Well Zenimax has already said its likely to be after the 2nd anniversary before we see player housing (personally I think that's way too late). I've just watched a video of the player housing in Wildstar and OMG ! All I can say is ESO's player housing had better be good if this is the standards other MMO's are setting. (RIFT did it great, Wildstar now better)

(not sure if I can post the link here or not)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jLc0esD1fc

Well Zenimax, you got 2 years to sort out player housing and it'd better be AAA rating quality. I'm talking Skyrim epic levels of housing. The gauntlet has been thrown down, zeni... don't let us down ! ! !

WTF is that... that has to be the worst looking game in history of games... Looks like I would be playing Sponge Bob's world... a color palette neon puke and neon poo would make my head explode after 1 min on play...

You have captured precisely how I feel about Wildstar.

I'd totally sub to Bikini Bottoms Online! (If Squids are playable)

halceonrwb17_ESO

This example in the opening post is pretty awful and quite incongruous with the ESO setting, perhaps something more inline with Black Desert Online / ArcheAge might be more appropriate and add a decent sandbox element to the game.