I got a question regarding stolen guild bank

Hearts

So this guy joined the guild, started playing PvP with some of the guys (im more of a PvE), played with us every single day for a month (one month is a long time in this game).
So yesterday he just decided to leave the guild, which is fine as i don't know the guy, but he also decided that the guild bank belongs to him.

The spoiler below will describe what kind of guild and why this guy is a big <input curse word here>.. it doesn't really have anything to do with my question which is below.

Easy thing to misunderstand as we had about 100k gold worth of mats in there, and thats not counting the covenant items i've put in there or the epics or whatever useful stuff.
To explain why he had access i will explain how the guild is.. Its a casual guild, friends are in there who speak in teamspeak, we help eachother with crafting, questing, dungeons, Cyrodiil or leveling. Basically everything, its a helpful guild. Its a lovely little helpful guild as you might imagine, and talking in teamspeak and playing with a guy everyday for a month creates a small form of trust. I don't blame the guild leader for anything, he did seem like a cool guy.
Im the one who does Trials everyday so i put in Warlock stuff or unassailable, Sun set or the dragon set in there to help my guildies.

Now to give you an idea how this guy is, the guild leader said he was cool when he played with us, but i looked him up, he was an admin in a DayZ server, a popular one too i believe, which is empty now because.. well let me show you the complaints people have

"If it was an admin screaming in side then I would stake my beans on it being ***** . My clan ransacked his heli base one day, he banned me immediately for the reason "impersonating an admin". Went on TS to see why I was banned and was told "you're being a *** going around destroying peoples bases, so you know what!?" bans me from TS Admins like him are not only poison to the server but to the mod as a whole. Can't say I'm sad to see the server go."

"There was nothing "chill" about ***** or his fellow admins. They raged, kicked, and restarted the server any time their camps were hit."

"Haha... I just started on this server yesterday and ***** were kicking people for killing them then one of the admins was directing his crew towards a ural that was stolen from them through RCON... Terrible adminning with no excuses."

"To be fair, the admins on #303 were ***. They constantly banned players for talking in side, trash talking them, stealing their cars/helis, or killing them. Good riddance.
******=the worst admin in all of the UK. Not surprised to see it go."

As you can see, hes not a nice guy..

NOTE: I removed his name cause i dont want to hang him out, no one will know what the name of this guy is.


Now, i hope that small explanation will stop replies like "Dude, its yo own damn fault son, you cray cray." as these replies are just, useless..

Sooo, the question is, given the fact that this guy stole the entire guild bank.. Will Zenimax do anything about it? I sent in a report but its not being answered, so i assume that they don't reply when reporting players.

Gwarok

Gamers that rip off guild banks like that should be rolled back to level 15 and have to spend a full 24 hours of game time in Oblivion forced to listen to Sheogorath's nonsense.

Seroczynski

Scam look legit to me. You're screwed, but Zenimax should stay out of it.

Gwarok

WHY?!?!?!

I mean, seriously @Seroczynski, C'mon!!!! Some people that wants to act like a milkdrinker 'lil THIEF it should be OK? We aren't allowed to name and shame but those that done wrong should go unpunished? What kind CRAP IS THAT??? The OP's complaint is perfectly legit! I'm not harping on you or nothing but ...*DAyumn! /sarcasm on or /sarcasm off *goes a long way.

WHY?!?

ArcanusMagus

Frankly, I would approach the guild bank, any guild bank, by thinking that whatever I put in there is gone forever.

If he has permission to withdraw from the bank, and he withdraws everything, what did he do that wasn't a privilege granted to him by the guild admin?

This situation sucks, don't get me wrong, but if you let him loose in your bank, don't be surprised when this happens.

dbishop

The guy has obvious issues and it will be a pain to regather the stock but Zeni can't get involved in these social issues otherwise "my guild bank got robbed of <insert yellow mats> please return them to me"

Zeni should have a discussion with the player involved and if required give him a whack with the ban hammer. However the stolen property has probably been moved on.

Between you and your close buddies you should just keep the bank locked to people outside your circle or consider it all as a junk shop. Rare mats you should be keeping on yourself or alts or in game mail.

Sorry for your loss.

seaef

Gwarok wrote: »

WHY?!?!?!
I mean, seriously @Seroczynski, C'mon!!!! Some people that wants to act like a milkdrinker 'lil THIEF it should be OK?

No offense, but the guild gave him the right to remove items. That should be something that's earned over time. Two of the guilds I'm in don't let you remove items until you gain a certain rank. Bottom line is the guild has an inexperienced guild leader. Let that be a lesson.

It's the guild's fault and Zen should stay out of it. Zen is not our mother.

YourNameHere

Sadly I have to agree.

This has come up in so many games. Unless you can document a malicious intent to rob you of everything, Zen will probabaly say "You gave them permission, so nothing we can do about it."

But you also have no idea what people will do either. That's why I dislike this bank system. I'm spoiled from EQ2 and WoW with separate tabs and better permissions.

Nazon_Katts

Considering there's no configurable access levels to banks and they claimed to have sold us a premium service, I'd say this very much is a thing ZOS should be able and willing to take care of.

But people are right, guild banks should be treated as if they were FFA or just be FFA and rather use the store instead. Less hassle that way.

Leesha

This kind of stuff goes on in every game that has a guild bank. If he was given permission to withdraw, technically he did nothing wrong. Yes, he was a jerk and pulled a total jerk move but he was trusted when he should not have been.

You have to use this as a learning experience and move on. I understand your frustration but unless these items he took were purchased from our friendly neighborhood gold spammers, all he took was meaningless pixels that can be replaced.

reggielee

lots of game use a rollback function to counter guild robbing, dont see why they cant do it here.

in my guild i make sure everyone knows that an item put in the bank is one given away. expect all deposits to be considered as donations. if you dont want to give it away, then dont deposit it. if we had some way to configure, lock out or separate rares then it would be a diff story.

RinaldoGandolphi

I'm torn on this. If he did indeed empty the guild bank of all its items (should be easy for zenimax to check his recent bank transactions) then he should be permanently banned.

stealing is never justified. Just because someone decides not to be your friend or hang out anymore doesn't give them the right to pillage your house before he tells you.

recovering the items isn't going to happen, but if his recent bank withdrawals show him taking everything out of the said guild bank before leaving he should be banned.

this game should have a zero tolerance policy on stealing if it can be proved.

Hadria

That sucks but that's how it is

Hearts

cfurlin wrote: »

Gwarok wrote: »

WHY?!?!?!
I mean, seriously @Seroczynski, C'mon!!!! Some people that wants to act like a milkdrinker 'lil THIEF it should be OK?

No offense, but the guild gave him the right to remove items. That should be something that's earned over time. Two of the guilds I'm in don't let you remove items until you gain a certain rank. Bottom line is the guild has an inexperienced guild leader. Let that be a lesson.

It's the guild's fault and Zen should stay out of it. Zen is not our mother.

One month in a game that has been out for 2 months is a lot of time, if it was a hardcore guild then i would understand but its a casual one, people you talk to and laugh with Voice over IP systems. There are some scenarios you cant predict so i wont put any of the blame on the guild leader.

Anyway, Customer Support answered, although it was later than usual they answered and they wont do anything about it, which is understandable.
Now im just wondering how far i can extract my revenge before it gets to the "harassing" level.

Nazon_Katts

Have the issue escalated. You've been victim to a long term scam. Taking care of such things is what you are paying the monthly subs for.

Yam_of_the_Center

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

Considering there's no configurable access levels to banks...

There is, actually, there are four ranks of Guild membership (well, three, one is the Guildmaster) and you can adjust what each level can do Guild-wise.

Anrik

So you opened the doors of your house to your neighborhood and told them take whatever they want. Now you're upset because someone did what you said they could do?

Nazon_Katts

Yam_of_the_Center wrote: »

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

Considering there's no configurable access levels to banks...

There is, actually, there are four ranks of Guild membership (well, three, one is the Guildmaster) and you can adjust what each level can do Guild-wise.

Yeah, but there's only deposit / withdraw rights to be toggled, no other levels of access. You can't limit items per day, per type, per rank, just give full or no access to withdrawing items.

Nazon_Katts

Anrik wrote: »

So you opened the doors of your house to your neighborhood and told them take whatever they want. Now you're upset because someone did what you said they could do?

It's more like telling someone to feel at home and to look after one's things, who then decides to grab all there is, walks out, all the while being witnessed by all people living in the street, caught on surveillance cam not only taking your stuff, but where it was taken to and then being told by the police there's sadly nothing they could do about it.

Fairydragon3

this is why my guild bank is used only for the materials that are worth 0g to a vendor. if you want to give something to a guildie, just mail it to them or trade

AngryWolf

That really sucks. I think it comes down to leadership. Having a trusted person, or the person who started with guild having major rights. Though I have no idea what layers of access are available with guilda in ESO. Will a lax guild is fine, this is what happens when you make it too relaxed. Like anything else, it's too bad there are people that make us take extra security measures in a variety of scenarios in our lives, but we need to do it protect ourselves.

I would just move on. Karma ensures people like this get theirs eventually, and if Zeni helps out great, if not, no biggie. At least you reported him, he's on notice and hopefully won't get away with it again.

Tannakaobi

The obvious solution to these issues are bank tabs and tab permissions.

Elirienne

Why in the world should zenimax do anything about it? He was given permission to withdraw, no? He did nothing that would be a bannable or punishable offence, he was playing the game, which includes joining guilds and depositing/withdrawing from banks.

Can we grow up and not run to mummy with every tiny little problem we encounter, please?

The guy is obviously an idiot, if a measly 100k worth of stuff (100k is not that much in this game and you get it by clearing two veteran zones just on quests and drops) is worth it for him to be a ***. At the end of the day he shuts down his computer and has gained ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. So a stupid and immature move.

But you haven't lost anything, either.

Phinix1

The guild bank system in this game is pretty bad. The fact that you cannot have multiple tabs with separate permissions makes it virtually useless for storing any sort of high value guild items.

seaef

Hearts wrote: »

Now im just wondering how far i can extract my revenge before it gets to the "harassing" level.

There are far more "subtle" ways of exacting revenge (not extract - just pointing it out).

There are some great stories from Eve Online players on how they made things like that happen and with a bit of planning, I'm sure you could satisfy your need for revenge.

Sacklunch

I would say that every party involved is partially responsible for this situation. The guild for giving access, the player for robing you, and the devs for not having a better designed bank system.

That being said it does not chance the fact that the Zenimax and costumer service should do something about this situation. If you get a roommate and after a month or so you come home and all your stuff is gone you call the cops because you have been robed. Weather you knew the person robbing you does not change the fact that you where robed. There needs to be consequences for negative actions in game because a game where as a society everyone is a bad person until they prove themselves good is simply bad for meeting new people and making gaming friends, which is why we are all here is it not.

Any who Hearts don't let the act of one Jack*** define your view of everyone out there. There are far more good people than bad it is just that nice people don't get rage threads or anything made about them because they are nice and there is no conflict. As an in-game society to think of a player as guilty until proven innocent is a VERY bad thing. Zenimax help this person out and punish the thief appropriately.

Nazon_Katts

@Elirienne It's called customer service. Providing good service also means helping your customers when things go wrong, no matter the reason.

Zubba

Zenimax can't police the community. Every time you give rights to anyone you dont know, you have to think twice, and then twice.

Hearts

Elirienne wrote: »

But you haven't lost anything, either.

Excluding that i lost thousands of mats for woodworking, clothing and blacksmithing.. I did lose a *** load of potions and food and the capability of leveling anything to 50 (except enchanting) in a short while.

I shouldn't have procrastinated leveling my provisioning :P

Elirienne

Hearts wrote: »

Elirienne wrote: »

But you haven't lost anything, either.

Excluding that i lost thousands of mats for woodworking, clothing and blacksmithing.. I did lose a *** load of potions and food and the capability of leveling anything to 50 (except enchanting) in a short while.

I shouldn't have procrastinated leveling my provisioning :P

No. You did not have any mats and clothing before, just like you do not have now. You were playing a game pretending you had silk, barley etc.

Fairydragon3

Elirienne wrote: »

Hearts wrote: »

Elirienne wrote: »

But you haven't lost anything, either.

Excluding that i lost thousands of mats for woodworking, clothing and blacksmithing.. I did lose a *** load of potions and food and the capability of leveling anything to 50 (except enchanting) in a short while.

I shouldn't have procrastinated leveling my provisioning :P

No. You did not have any mats and clothing before, just like you do not have now. You were playing a game pretending you had silk, barley etc.

What he lost was Time, time collecting and more collecting again to replace what was taken., now thee is also the lost of trust someone would have in this guild's leadership. Any experience guild master would know to keep the bank available for trusted members (IMO, people you know in real life or have contributed to the guild bank and after they have proven themselves, 2 months is not enough time to do that). OP you and your guild are just going through your lumps, much like a band that has to flyer and haul their own crap. It's a long road to the top.