Justify bolt escape

mortuusbae

We get *** up without mobility you ***

Ezareth

I prefer to not block the bolt escape stun. Once you break free of it once, you're immune to it and any other knockdown/disorient until the white circles at your feet disappear.

MormondPayne_EP

Oh for crying out loud!!!

Stop with this "need everything that I don't know how to beat" mentality!

Just because you find it inconvenient that on some occasions after GANKING, from stealth, doing upwards of 2000 hp of damage, that your target doesn't die in one hit and the bolt the hell out of there, you think that means bolt escape is over powered!

I'm sorry mate, but you don't get to win automatically just because you think you should.

Bolt escape... Hmmm it us actually called "ESCAPE" for a reason.

You want it to be changed to "sorcerer instant death no escape" because you are sad that sometime sorc can get away from you and you don't get the kill. Well guess what? Tough luck!

The skill has been nerfed already and now is quite costly. 2400 magic ja I can spam streak about 5-6 times before I am COMPLETELY OUT OF MAGICKA! Then I am a sitting duck unless I have potions and EVEN THEN, I will get another 2 casts out of it and be back to stranded.

It seems a bad player needs to get online and whinge about it instead of figuring out some counters for it.

You know what happens when I am fighting a Sorcerer who bolt escapes away from me... I let him go because he is now out of the fight, sure he may come back but I have effectively nullified his effect on battle.

Grow a pair, sook.

kijima

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

You know what happens when I am fighting a Sorcerer who bolt escapes away from me... I let him go because he is now out of the fight, sure he may come back but I have effectively nullified his effect on battle.

Grow a pair, sook.

Word!

MiyaTheUnbroken

Obviously, this is just my opinion, but I think Bolt Escape is fine.

I play a stamina based nightblade, and yes, it *** me up. If they do it more than once (they always do it more than once) I'm certain to die. It also really, really, really sucks when I'm stealthed somewhere and they completely by accident port over me and break my stealth. It is a very powerful skill and a real pain in the ass.

That being said, I have no real problem with it existing as is. It's easy enough to CC break, it makes them giant glowing targets for all of your allies, and in all honesty, if I get hit by it I'm doing something wrong. There's no reason I should ever be that close to them.

Maybe it's because I'm usually on my own, standing outside the crowd that it doesn't really bother me. Maybe I just lucked out and picked a build that usually keeps out of the brunt of their escape. In any event, it seems like fair play to me. Every class has a couple skills that are extremely powerful, and this is one of theirs.

Plus I just really like how much they glow. It's almost a bat signal.

Domander

The only real problem with bolt escape is that there is nothing you can do to counter someone constantly resetting the fight by running away. It's a much better escape mechanism than the nightblade cloak.

Some sort of distance = damage attack could be a nice way to counter the ability. The farther the enemy is the more damage it does, make it a DOT type attack that does more damage with distance. If the enemy ends up 60m away then it could be killer.

Teargrants

Domander wrote: »

Some sort of distance = damage attack could be a nice way to counter the ability. The farther the enemy is the more damage it does

If only there was some sort of gap closing ability like that that could be brought down to 189 stamina cost and benefit from the free dmg increase a blink sorc would give, while simultaneously being more spammable than bolt escape itself. By the grace of Dee Tick, such an ability would be worthy of naming Critical Rush.

Ezareth

Teargrants wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Some sort of distance = damage attack could be a nice way to counter the ability. The farther the enemy is the more damage it does

If only there was some sort of gap closing ability like that that could be brought down to 189 stamina cost and benefit from the free dmg increase a blink sorc would give, while simultaneously being more spammable than bolt escape itself. By the grace of Dee Tick, such an ability would be worthy of naming Critical Rush.

Shh!

SeltzerDuke

The most bizarre thing about this thread necromancy (newcomers, before you charge in to reiterate the usual arguments, note the thread dates from EARLY JUNE) is that the one who necroed it did so to defend BE, rather than complain about BE some more. So odd. I would have assumed somebody ragequit after their kill escaped from them, did an angry forum search, and then added to the thread without checking dates. But to defend it? Did you randomly go back like 20 forum pages, see the title, and charge into action?

Domander

Teargrants wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Some sort of distance = damage attack could be a nice way to counter the ability. The farther the enemy is the more damage it does

If only there was some sort of gap closing ability like that that could be brought down to 189 stamina cost and benefit from the free dmg increase a blink sorc would give, while simultaneously being more spammable than bolt escape itself. By the grace of Dee Tick, such an ability would be worthy of naming Critical Rush.

That does work, if you are able to hit it/locate target fast enough before 2 bolts, this is also assuming you're using 2 handed and using this morph of this ability. (critical rush) This is also assuming you're not stunned by ball of lightning or disoriented by streak.

My suggestion wasn't a good one though, sorcs could just use it and then bolt away killing anyone heh.

SienneYviete

mortuusbae wrote: »

We get *** up without mobility you ***

Thoroughly enjoyed your non moderated quote 8.5/10

Uber_Lord

I'm NB but please leave bolt escape as it is. Other classes will forever whine cause they don't get their kills while sorceres bolt escape, NB shadow cloak or path or roll with a bow and sprint. If they nerf this in the end many people will be disappointed. Sorcerers in light armor will just die if they can't escape.

Keron

SeltzerDuke wrote: »

The most bizarre thing about this thread necromancy (newcomers, before you charge in to reiterate the usual arguments, note the thread dates from EARLY JUNE) is that the one who necroed it did so to defend BE, rather than complain about BE some more. So odd. I would have assumed somebody ragequit after their kill escaped from them, did an angry forum search, and then added to the thread without checking dates. But to defend it? Did you randomly go back like 20 forum pages, see the title, and charge into action?

QFT.

Armitas

Aerrimus

Bolt Escape is fine. It's Immovable in addition to Bolt Escape that can make it frustrating. When you do finally catch up, Immovable makes it hard to CC.

Require 5 pieces of an armor type for the active armor skill and it will fix a lot of seemingly OP skills...

bosmern_ESO

The only real way to keep up with someone who is spamming bolt escape is by using things like critical charge or shield assault. But you use up more stamina breaking CC, sprinting a bit, and using the ability then the sorc is using of magicka.

Teargrants

You're doing it wrong. Immovable keeps you from being stunned. Crit rush has 22m range, bolt escape is only 15m, if you have to sprint in between crit rushes you are once again, doing it wrong.

And not only that, but I'm looking at my 189 cost crit rush that easily gets up to 1k dmg and higher with the 65% bonus dmg on pts. Compare that to my 403 cost bolt eacape and tell me what's more spamable?

Combine that with my templar easily pushing 170 stam regen while my sorc only has 140 magicka regen and don't try and tell me you can't crit rush after bolt eacape. Good players do it to me on live.

Two hander is the counter to bolt eacape, if not by design then by implementation. People just need to stop whining that they can't hard counter it with every build.

Learn to stop spamming executioner after 1 crit rush.

MrGhosty

BE is annoying, but that just increases the reward when you use your ambush and kill the guy mid-air. I consider that a crowning achievement of any PvP outing.

It gets abused by some, sure, but no more than any other skill. Abusers will abuse, if you take one toy away they will find another. Once you've dealt with it a few times you learn.

That said I ran into a brilliant ganking squad that used a sorc to stun and while everyone was looking at him two NBs would stealth attack and if they didn't manage to kill everyone, the sorc would come back for another stun then a DK would mop it all up. Frustrating, but I tip my hat to the coordination.

JackDaniell

Medium armor + bow/2h Templar.

They call me the sorcerers bane. I'm faster, more agile, and when they run I hit even harder.

But if your using a dress and staff ofc your going to be slower than a sorc, but that's a disadvantage dependent on your chosen play style, not game design.

Ezareth

Aerrimus wrote: »

Bolt Escape is fine. It's Immovable in addition to Bolt Escape that can make it frustrating. When you do finally catch up, Immovable makes it hard to CC.

Require 5 pieces of an armor type for the active armor skill and it will fix a lot of seemingly OP skills...

I only use Immovable reactively to counter eclipse/fear. I don't use immovable with bolt escape.

MrGhosty wrote: »

BE is annoying, but that just increases the reward when you use your ambush and kill the guy mid-air. I consider that a crowning achievement of any PvP outing.

Crowning achievement for me is killing a DK mid leap. You have to go against your training to throw that fragment when you see those wings.
Their little wings fold up behind them when they die.

Darkness033

Yes but when a nightblade goes invisible in the middle of a fight no one complains about that.

Cody

I don't think it should stun people... but its been nerfed enough already. just don't chase them.

Gooey

I have an idea to fix this issue! Let's just make reflective scales last 6 seconds instead of 4, BAM problem with bolt escape is gone (Totally not a DK).

Valymer

Let's just take all abilities, weapons, and armor away from everyone and we can all fight barehanded in Cyrodiil.

Loneshard

krim wrote: »

You can block that stun... you can immovable that stun... Bolt escape doesnt kill anyone. You are crying because sorcs can get away? Its not even a guarantee escape since people can just charge sorcs or ranged them down.

how to spot a baddie 101. stupid nerf threads

This ^^
And 90% of the other posts!

A sorcerer without Bolt escape would be totally useless!

Loneshard

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Oh for crying out loud!!!

Stop with this "need everything that I don't know how to beat" mentality!

Just because you find it inconvenient that on some occasions after GANKING, from stealth, doing upwards of 2000 hp of damage, that your target doesn't die in one hit and the bolt the hell out of there, you think that means bolt escape is over powered!

I'm sorry mate, but you don't get to win automatically just because you think you should.

Bolt escape... Hmmm it us actually called "ESCAPE" for a reason.

You want it to be changed to "sorcerer instant death no escape" because you are sad that sometime sorc can get away from you and you don't get the kill. Well guess what? Tough luck!

The skill has been nerfed already and now is quite costly. 2400 magic ja I can spam streak about 5-6 times before I am COMPLETELY OUT OF MAGICKA! Then I am a sitting duck unless I have potions and EVEN THEN, I will get another 2 casts out of it and be back to stranded.

It seems a bad player needs to get online and whinge about it instead of figuring out some counters for it.

You know what happens when I am fighting a Sorcerer who bolt escapes away from me... I let him go because he is now out of the fight, sure he may come back but I have effectively nullified his effect on battle.

Grow a pair, sook.

Awesome mate!
Thank you very much ^^

Cody

Loneshard wrote: »

krim wrote: »

You can block that stun... you can immovable that stun... Bolt escape doesnt kill anyone. You are crying because sorcs can get away? Its not even a guarantee escape since people can just charge sorcs or ranged them down.

how to spot a baddie 101. stupid nerf threads

This ^^
And 90% of the other posts!

A sorcerer without Bolt escape would be totally useless!

now I have to make a sorcerer that is awesome... WITHOUT bolt escape:)