Justify bolt escape

galiumb16_ESO

I think they need to buff bolt. It is a perfect skill for all the window licking 'nerf everything' crowd to focus on, keeps them busy and the next bandwagon from developing.

ErykGrimm

Every class should have some unique skills. If you find one class that you think is the most OP, go play it. Figure out how to counter it, and profit. All these nerf threads are going to take all the unique skills for every class out of the equation. That, would make for a very boring game.

jonal11_ESO

OP *facepalm" but but but it's overpowered because of lag....

You tool.

Halrloprillalar

Bayezid wrote: »

I just want Bolt escape to not work when i use a CC like Dark talons or when they are disorientated.

"I want the sorc to be a loot pinata because DK logic"

Wolfahm

If you think shadow(invis) is even remotely the same thing as bolt escape you have never played a NB.. its the most unreliable pos skill I have ever seen(even just trying to use it to trigger a stealth stun). due to lag and other factors the stars have to aline for the skill to even work right in the 1st place well you sit there wasting magika playing failed peekaboo... That is not even counting the fact that STEALTH DETECT potions make it 100% useless if it even works in the first place... Sorc's who don't see the balance problems with BE are for the most part FOTM band wagon jumpers that have a DK sitting on the character screen covered in dust... You better roll a NB too ZOS talked about them... maybe they are next FOTM!

Halrloprillalar

Wolfahm wrote: »

If you think shadow(invis) is even remotely the same thing as bolt escape you have never played a NB.. its the most unreliable pos skill I have ever seen(even just trying to use it to trigger a stealth stun). due to lag and other factors the stars have to aline for the skill to even work right in the 1st place well you sit there wasting magika playing failed peekaboo... That is not even counting the fact that STEALTH DETECT potions make it 100% useless if it even works in the first place... Sorc's who don't see the balance problems with BE are for the most part FOTM band wagon jumpers that have a DK sitting on the character screen covered in dust... You better roll a NB too ZOS talked about them... maybe they are next FOTM!

Who said anything about being the same?
One is a bit better for escaping, the other is a bit better for avoiding damage and ganking. It's not my fault your class is broken, breaking BE doesn't fix NB.

jonal11_ESO

Wolfahm wrote: »

If you think shadow(invis) is even remotely the same thing as bolt escape you have never played a NB.. its the most unreliable pos skill I have ever seen(even just trying to use it to trigger a stealth stun). due to lag....

STOP USING LAG TO JUSTIFY WHY SOMETHING IS BAD! Lag is bad for everything! How about you whine to ESO about lag instead of comparing abilities when lag is around ffs.

madstoogb16_ESO

Glurin wrote: »

semp3rfi wrote: »

Seems to me that there was poor desiging when it comes to this skill.

How can you justify having a skill that does high mobility teleport, spamable, stun and damage on "HIGHLY LAGGED" PVP areas when no other class has anything as such.

The damage isn't that great, the cost is high, the stun is blockable and short lived, and the other classes do in fact have mobility skills. NB in particular has a teleport. Plus, in order for BE to do damage, you have to pick the proper morph, which sacrifices the full stun for disorient.

Lag is irrelevant since it affects everybody, sorcerer or not.

semp3rfi wrote: »

If any other class other than a sorc gets dismounted in an ambush, they have few options, stay and fight or try and use their limited mobility moves. Mages just instantly teleport spam away.

Sorcerers have just as many options when dismounted. They suffer the same dismount stun every other class does and are just as vulnerable as anyone else during that time. Probably more so, given that they have fewer combat practical recovery options and are glass cannons if speced such that they actually can spam BE.

semp3rfi wrote: »

Now in all honesty I would be fine for this move to stay. But it needs to come with some major penalties, OR the other classes need their mobility skills brought inline

For example:

Bolt escape Penalty options.
1: costs a large percentage of max mana say 33%
2: stops mana regeneration, recovery
3: Spells cost considerably more mana with each consecutive cast for 15 seconds.

1: Making it horribly useless.
2: Already stops regeneration, or is supposed to as I understand it. Stopping recovery as well makes it worse than horribly useless.
3: Making taking the skill at all gimp your entire character into being utterly worthless in any situation.

semp3rfi wrote: »

Could you imagine if night blades recieved the 50% movement buff from path of darkness without actually being on the path?

Path of darkness already gives NBs greater mobility than BE over long distances.

semp3rfi wrote: »

The skill is a good one, but it needs some serious moderation

You clearly have a very different idea of what "moderation" means.

You are joking?

Animus0724

seriously, today I seen one sorc...ONE sorc stun my group of 15 while his group of 6 wiped us while we were stunned...one sorc to stun, the other to SPAM AOE...the others to mop...this was dumb

bitaken

So, if they take the stun away from BE would everyone be happy? Because personally, as a sorc, that would make me happy. I just want it as a counter to the gap closers melee have. I don't need it as an offensive tool to stun groups.

The mana cost thing is not a fix - it's just going to make it impossible to keep melee off me. Too many gap closers in an enemy group to allow me to kite nearly as effectively as I am going to need to. I am a healing sorc and I love my build - but take away the ability to BE two or three times to confuse the DK's and NB trying to take me down - and my entire build is a waste of time.

Absinthe

fredthementenrb18_ESO wrote: »

nice video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnrqZzKPbQw

The guy in that video is a complete hypocrite. Yeah lets not have a sorc bolt escape....as he is in the middle of 20+ people for over 20 secs....alone.

Oh - he talks about shield bash as he uses it....total hypocrite.

His snarky comments in the video removes all of his credibility.

Halrloprillalar

Animus0724 wrote: »

seriously, today I seen one sorc...ONE sorc stun my group of 15 while his group of 6 wiped us while we were stunned...one sorc to stun, the other to SPAM AOE...the others to mop...this was dumb

.... does your group not know how to use breakout and block? Do you all just mill around and wait for negate and standard to drop on your head? WTF?

Just because they have less numbers doesn't mean they should lose. Effective timing of skills, cc and aoe from a VoIP-organized group can decimate much larger numbers, don't blame the sorc stun on this.

Cathexis

*wonders why no one ever considers the fact that two-three bolt escapes consumes your entire mana pool*

@‌ the video
cyrodiil is a giant *** sandbox, it takes 5-10 mins to walk between keeps, littered with lvl 14vrs

Of course I'm going to *** play not to lose.

If anything there are serious issues with bolt escape that need to be fixed.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/122728/after-playing-around-with-bolt-escape-a-lot-this-is-how-i-would-make-it-work#latest

/argument over.

Erock25

Cathexis wrote: »

*wonders why no one ever considers the fact that two-three bolt escapes consumes your entire mana pool*

@‌ the video
cyrodiil is a giant *** sandbox, it takes 5-10 mins to walk between keeps, littered with lvl 14vrs

Of course I'm going to *** play not to lose.

If anything there are serious issues with bolt escape that need to be fixed.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/122728/after-playing-around-with-bolt-escape-a-lot-this-is-how-i-would-make-it-work#latest

/argument over.

THe argument was over four and a half months ago.

ThyIronFist

It's also a root break, if you get Talond, or Shackled by the Standard of Might, you can blink out of it.

Along with all the other things it does, it is one of the most BS skills I have ever seen in any game.

Erock25

ThyIronFist wrote: »

It's also a root break, if you get Talond, or Shackled by the Standard of Might, you can blink out of it.

Along with all the other things it does, it is one of the most BS skills I have ever seen in any game.

Nope, you are still rooted after bolt escaping.

booksmcread

Erock25 wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

*wonders why no one ever considers the fact that two-three bolt escapes consumes your entire mana pool*

@‌ the video
cyrodiil is a giant *** sandbox, it takes 5-10 mins to walk between keeps, littered with lvl 14vrs

Of course I'm going to *** play not to lose.

If anything there are serious issues with bolt escape that need to be fixed.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/122728/after-playing-around-with-bolt-escape-a-lot-this-is-how-i-would-make-it-work#latest

/argument over.

THe argument was over four and a half months ago.

They may be upset there is no necromancer class in the game so decided to play one on the forums.

Bramir

Bolt escape doesn't work half the time in heavy lag situations, unless your goal is to confuse the hell out of yourself about where you actually are...

Gilvoth

i like this thread and i agree bolt escape needs nerfed.

eNumbra

Juraigr wrote: »

as the guys above said nightblades dissapear they are gone,

Soda on my keyboard. Thanks.

Sorcs BE and they're gone, DKs and Temps heal with ease, Nightblade invisibility stunts their movement speed and is counterable with magelight and detect potions - and an addon that apparently exists that highlights stealthed players.

Do not compare Nightblade invisibility to any trick the other classes have, they're not in the same league.

Bramir

So basically, noone should ever be able to escape from gankers, especially sorcerers? And this is because gankers are awesome, right?

But what if the ganker is a bolt-escaping sorcerer? pwned! Justify that!

JaJaLuka

Bolt escape is an escape for squishy mages, without it the forums would be filled with complaints about their survivability. I am however aware of their shield stacking, I partially use it just to survive but not to the extent of others who are invincible, however I am nowhere near indestructible (still pretty squishy to be honest).
The biggest thing to remember about bolt escape is not to chase them. If you can't keep up, remain where you are and force the sorc to play your game, you chase and you'll either end up getting ganked by their friends, out in the middle of nowhere or they will turn on you when you no longer have your friends with you.

If you're absolutely fed up with them porting, use either shield charge or critical rush to chase as shield charge will stun them while critical rush (one of the morphs) does more damage the further you go ultimately using the distance they put between you against them. These aren't perfect though, I still prefer letting them go.

If you're sick of getting stunned by the bolt escape run immovable.

Pixysticks

lol

Teargrants

Grrrr arrgh nerf bolt esspe untill it makes you go backwards!

Yonkit

ishilpatelb14_ESO wrote: »

Bolt Escape costs me 258 magicka at v12.
When a templar or DK gets dismounted, they can spam heals, when a nightblade gets dismounted he can go invisible. What can a sorc do in this situation besides Bolt Escape out? They can't tank because they can't self heal without channeling for 4 seconds unless they run healing staff, which would be a dumb requirement of sorcs since other classes aren't obliged to always use healing staff.
And oh, lag you say? You know what happens when a sorc gets hit by lag the second they hit Bolt Escape? It eats the cost of the spell up but the character doesn't actually do the Bolt Escape.
So again, like I've said the 3209840238490th time, Bolt Escape is all sorcs have to give them an edge, nerfing it would be like nerfing green dragonblood, that templar self heal, or nightblade's in-combat stealth.

Individuals claim that NB's have some gimmicky escape, but as a long time NB, I have to call BS on this. If you're knocking a NB off a horse and you let them cloak away, then you gotta learn to play better. The cloak is so easily broken in so many ways that it's hardly a viable means for eluding a serious pursuer. I don't remember the last time a NB escaped me by using cloak when I got the first attack on them from stealth and likewise I don't think I've been able to escape a good ganker by using the cloak.

That being said, BE doesn't really work if I'm ganking you either For the most part, templar and DK heals won't work either because I'm of applied debuffs. Sucks to be ganked, eh?

Pathfinder

The only problem I have with BE is the stun which I don't think should be an attribute of what is being used as a defensive skill. If it is OK for BE to have stun, then Dark Cloak should have it too.

Maulkin

Pathfinder wrote: »

The only problem I have with BE is the stun which I don't think should be an attribute of what is being used as a defensive skill. If it is OK for BE to have stun, then Dark Cloak should have it too.

Sigh. One morph is offensive, one is defensive. One morph of cloak gives 100% crit, one removes negative effects.

One morph of BE does damage, while the other absorbs projectiles. It's the same philosophy.

Gaettusk

BE is easily countered. If it bothers you that much, build to counter it

krim

You can block that stun... you can immovable that stun... Bolt escape doesnt kill anyone. You are crying because sorcs can get away? Its not even a guarantee escape since people can just charge sorcs or ranged them down.

how to spot a baddie 101. stupid nerf threads

SienneYviete