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[Refined Idea]{Deves Read] Crafting nerf for end game! Fight it! Crafters band together!
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ZiRM✭✭✭✭✭
✭No one is safe from NERFS!Want to become Vampire? 5k @ZiRM in game.ESO Server Status. ( ^_^)o自自o(^_^ ) SkåL!!!!!0 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭
If the chests only drop after the bosses death at the END of the raid they are still completing content I order too achieve it.0 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭danreckerpreub18_ESO wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »danreckerpreub18_ESO wrote: »"Crafted gear will always be the best"
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If you don't like send in feedback!
They may still implement a way for crafting to participate in this system - I'm waiting to hear more details on exact plans before judging.
Who knows, they may do something right with it. :P
I would rather they do it the right way the first time then wrong the first time and have too back track. It would be better of we tell them that we don't want this and would rather do something like the above idea! Let your craft guilds know let the people who care know what's going on and if they don't like it too send in feed back!0 -
Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭So Zeni caves to the leet minority so they can rub their dropped gear in our faces laughing at crafters new uselessness.3 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »So Zeni caves to the leet minority so they can rub their dropped gear in our faces laughing at crafters new uselessness.
Send in the feed back! Tell them no!
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Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »So Zeni caves to the leet minority so they can rub their dropped gear in our faces laughing at crafters new uselessness.
Send in the feed back! Tell them no!
They dont listen to feedback, like why are they nerfing tanks into oblivion?3 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Unless that dropped gear comes with Crit Resist on every single piece, It will never be good in PvP
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos0 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭Not all gear in a fantasy world is crafted... get over it.
Why would u want too kill half of economy? Why would u not want crafter too creat a completely customized set of gear right down too the set bounces as a player? This would offer more customizations of builds and only improve the game. If you have read the idea, it would say crafters could pick and choose what kind of set bounces could be put in the gear not like it is now ware u have too do either 3, 3 and 5, or 3,4,5 sets right now. If you could have health regin, add 154, and weapon power wouldn't you want it for example? Anyway I don't see how you would want this too happen.0 -
Devlinne✭✭✭Ummm...."really good items will be hard to get" Could mean Also mean having 7 pieces all with 8 trait prerequisite to even CRAFT ONE PIECE of the new awesome armor........Don't jump the gun boys...could, mean anything...Devlinne: VR12 NB
Demonos: VR12 Sorc
Devin Flames: VR12 DK
Hellzanger: VR12 Templar
Thats right. ALL CLASSES.0 -
Sirlex✭✭✭Legendaries wont drop - therefore all gear will need to be improved by a crafter.
Conclusion - All the best gear will still be crafted.'
Oh also there is that whole "fill in gaps" scenario with gear where crafting gear is very customizable and dropped loot is not.
Of all the things to *** about with ESO - this is seriously one of the dumbest.Edited by Sirlex on June 5, 2014 4:00PM2 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »So Zeni caves to the leet minority so they can rub their dropped gear in our faces laughing at crafters new uselessness.
Send in the feed back! Tell them no!
They dont listen to feedback, like why are they nerfing tanks into oblivion?
Oh you must be a DK, I'm a scorc tank and I am now equally as effective as you are thanks too the nerfs. But back on topic! Why don't want too help achieve something that could improve the game as a whole!1 -
Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »So Zeni caves to the leet minority so they can rub their dropped gear in our faces laughing at crafters new uselessness.
Send in the feed back! Tell them no!
They dont listen to feedback, like why are they nerfing tanks into oblivion?
Oh you must be a DK, I'm a scorc tank and I am now equally as effective as you are thanks too the nerfs. But back on topic! Why don't want too help achieve something that could improve the game as a whole!
How is a set of gear available to only the hardcore raider/pvp types improving the game for all?2 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭Ummm...."really good items will be hard to get" Could mean Also mean having 7 pieces all with 8 trait prerequisite to even CRAFT ONE PIECE of the new awesome armor........Don't jump the gun boys...could, mean anything...
But they still would not be crafted... They would still be dropped. Would be better over all too included crafter in every part of end game drops that they can. It coul only improve the economy and creat more social Interaction.0 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »So Zeni caves to the leet minority so they can rub their dropped gear in our faces laughing at crafters new uselessness.
Send in the feed back! Tell them no!
They dont listen to feedback, like why are they nerfing tanks into oblivion?
Oh you must be a DK, I'm a scorc tank and I am now equally as effective as you are thanks too the nerfs. But back on topic! Why don't want too help achieve something that could improve the game as a whole!
How is a set of gear available to only the hardcore raider/pvp types improving the game for all?
It wouldn't be. If the crafter learned that set bounce then they could craft it for anyone. It dose not have too 1 time use only. They could easily be changed.0 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭Legendaries wont drop - therefore all gear will need to be improved by a crafter.
Conclusion - All the best gear will still be crafted.'
Oh also there is that whole "fill in gaps" scenario with gear where crafting gear is very customizable and dropped loot is not.
Of all the things to *** about with ESO - this is seriously one of the dumbest.
This is true however making crafters able too craft the special gear too customize right down too individual 3, 4 and 5 pice set bounces would solve that!0 -
Anastasia✭✭✭✭alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/06/04/the-road-ahead--june-4th?ref=rss
"Itemization – we’ll add gear that’s harder to acquire but more worthwhile. We're looking at gear that will make others envious when you’re wearing or wielding it—both in appearance and in stat boosts. To do this, we’ll adjust soft caps so that they don't kick in quite as quickly. We have to be very careful about how much we adjust numbers, because the greater the variance, the more people can hurt their intended builds." The Road Ahead
I'm a crafter one of biggest reasons I played the game was because gear is going too be craft able and be slightly better then droped gear when did this change?!?!
I love the this system don't change it!! It's better off too make 1 time use schematics drop so the CRAFTERS can craft them!! DONT CHANGE IT!!
Another thing would be too let crafters create sets! So say a knowledge books, like motiefs they would let us make completely customizable set bounces! Please don't change what you have created! Also these "schematics" would only drop for chest that appear after the death of the boss
Proof Post forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/104070/proof-dropped-gear-crafted-by-huge-difference/p1
***Uhm...somehow you missed my disappointment in a thread posted by another some days ago which should have been titled: "Some Loot Drops are Incrementally Better than any Crafted; Additionally ALL / ANYONE/ YOUR DOG IF HE HAS A SUB can UPGRADE gear to LEGENDARY even if they haven't crafted once before. It might cost them a bit of extra money but they can just mosey over to a gold seller, or use their legitimately (*coughs loudly) EARNED coin ingame and BUY the ingredients and UPGRADE to LEGENDARY ANY TIME THEY FEEL LIKE IT.
Pardon me for a minute while I go get the link to the other thread, which by the way, probs isn't even the first ;o(.
Proof Dropped gear > Crafted by HUGE difference
UserT123 Soul Shriven
May 28 edited May 28 in Crafting Discussion
I'm not even going to waste time explaining my reasons... the pictures should do it justice... I certainly hope for once a dev actually looks at (and responds) these posts.
crafted item with legendary max level armor reduction glyph:
dropped (pvp) item with same enchant. Also legendary:
This really makes crafted gear worthless. Not only is the glyph godly (Non-crafted) in comparison but it also opens up extra slots for other sets because it only requires 3 pieces.
Please anyone with legitimate arguments, for either side of this issue, post comments and screenshots of other comparisons. This is getting old.
Post edited by UserT123 on May 28
Anastasia ✭✭✭
May 29 edited May 29
UserT123 wrote: »
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That would be fine with me if it weren't for the fact that players were told from the beginning (even before release) that "the best gear in the game will come from crafters"... unless that was a statement strictly in regards to all items must be upgraded to legendary by crafting, then this was a huge spit in the face to players. If this was intended to be Zenimax's way of telling players crafted gear will be better... then they should really adjust the stats/sets on all gear in the game, because as of right now crafted gear is inferior.
***Yes. That is the literal, exact wording used in many pre-launch interviews and streams. Best gear in the game will come from crafters UPGRADING various loot and/or drops; upgraded to legendary by crafters. Whether one wants to twiddle about with is it realllllly crafted is the best, or is upgrading reallllly crafting makes no difference>
The end result is the most fabulous crafted and the most fabulous dropped gear can still be 'improved' by.......regular adventurers running through dungeons? ...by regular adventurers farming, stalking, fixating, obsessing on particular mobs? No.
NO. The better than, best available, most umpteenth maxed stats available on gear / weapons/ whatever is/will be available ONLY if a Master or Mistress Crafter UPGRADES it. Which means = Crafted => is zee BEST.
Master or Mistress Crafter = player who has put in the effort, time and dedication to becoming the best in a particular craft.
Do we know already ALL craftable upgrades which will become available for craftspersons in the AZ's or other upcoming content? Not yet. So, plans that include avenues for our Craftspeople to continue in the future to be able to UPGRADE loot/gear/items are still yet to be seen, yes? Doesn't mean those paths/traits/abilities aren't coming.
*Bandages horse and administers generous ampule of Moonsugar...
Anastasia ✭✭✭
May 29 edited May 29
RylukShouja wrote: »
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Except that that's not true. Literally anyone can upgrade any item to legendary. The difference is a few gold coins for some legendary mats.
RylukShouja wrote: »
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Except that that's not true. Literally anyone can upgrade any item to legendary. The difference is a few gold coins for some legendary mats.
***Well I stand f-ing corrected. Thanks RylukShouja for the clarification. I fumed and searched around online and asked in game and haven't found anything to counter your explanation. Still fuming, but guess I have it straight now. Anyone with the right amount of coin in their hand can BUY the number of needed ingredients and upgrade their own shiz. o-0
So crafting is 'for fun' during the leveling experience if you want to call it that, but most of the professions mean very little once one is spending the majority of their time in the end game environs. I guess I'll stick to my herb concoctions and will probs keep messing about with stat food; otherwise I will focus on my battle expertise from now on. Sad, but humble panda.
***Here ya go alexj: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/104070/proof-dropped-gear-crafted-by-huge-difference/p1
;o(
Edited by Anastasia on June 5, 2014 4:22PM0 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭alexj4596b14_ESO wrote: »http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/06/04/the-road-ahead--june-4th?ref=rss
"Itemization – we’ll add gear that’s harder to acquire but more worthwhile. We're looking at gear that will make others envious when you’re wearing or wielding it—both in appearance and in stat boosts. To do this, we’ll adjust soft caps so that they don't kick in quite as quickly. We have to be very careful about how much we adjust numbers, because the greater the variance, the more people can hurt their intended builds." The Road Ahead
I'm a crafter one of biggest reasons I played the game was because gear is going too be craft able and be slightly better then droped gear when did this change?!?!
I love the this system don't change it!! It's better off too make 1 time use schematics drop so the CRAFTERS can craft them!! DONT CHANGE IT!!
Another thing would be too let crafters create sets! So say a knowledge books, like motiefs they would let us make completely customizable set bounces! Please don't change what you have created! Also these "schematics" would only drop for chest that appear after the death of the boss
Proof Post forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/104070/proof-dropped-gear-crafted-by-huge-difference/p1
Uhm...somehow you missed my disappointment in a thread posted by another some days ago which should have been titled: "Some Loot Drops are Incrementally Better than any Crafted; Additionally ALL / ANYONE/ YOUR DOG IF HE HAS A SUB can UPGRADE gear to LEGENDARY even if they haven't crafted once before. It might cost them a bit of extra money but they can just mosey over to a gold seller, or use their legitimately (*coughs loudly) EARNED coin ingame and BUY the ingredients and UPGRADE to LEGENDARY ANY TIME THEY FEEL LIKE IT.
Pardon me for a minute while I go get the link to the other thread, which by the way, probs isn't even the first ;o(.
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jabarikwilliamsb16_ESOSoul ShrivenYou do realize crafting is the only way to upgrade any dropped item right? The chance still has to be there for the random item drop to be obtained by other individuals, we as crafters are just guaranteed to be able to make items the best they can be or craft entire sets on whim and not spend hours and hours looking for an item drop1
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alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭jabarikwilliamsb16_ESO wrote: »You do realize crafting is the only way to upgrade any dropped item right? The chance still has to be there for the random item drop to be obtained by other individuals, we as crafters are just guaranteed to be able to make items the best they can be or craft entire sets on whim and not spend hours and hours looking for an item drop
Yes I know that. But that means crafts have too wait for drops, the wait for the request too upgrade. It puts lag into the economy. Now if they made so crafter could craft those "schematics" so too speak would could craft them for anyone people could change when they wanted too so long as they had what was needed. Ontop of that if the idea above was put I to action every part of the gear for your toon could be customized right down too what 3,4,5 pice set you wanted. You could even mix and match!0 -
Anastasia✭✭✭✭Not all gear in a fantasy world is crafted... get over it.
So true Utildai -- as in the majority of ALL OTHER MMO's the DROPPED LOOT was most definitely the very best gear available. Some of we silly folk who enjoy crafting and have always toyed with the idea of someday finding an MMO where the respect and viability of Crafting was an on par feature...we thought we'd found it with the pre launch promo's and publicity and direct quotes from devs about the world of Tamriel.
How redonkulous of me or anyone else to believe we as Crafters would be a part of the viable equation especially of endgame play. Basically that is what you are saying, yes?
;o/
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magic_is_might✭✭✭I love the crafting system. But I also wish there were more unique armor items in game, so I'm not too upset.Sienna Nightsky | Aldmeri Dominion | Nightblade Woodelf0 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭magic_is_might wrote: »I love the crafting system. But I also wish there were more unique armor items in game, so I'm not too upset.
Now! This is ware we could go even deeper into crafting! If their were schematics with unique looks that could then be added too the gear too change their looks further then our current style and make those one time use. You could even add one style and the add the unique style schematic too the craft and come out with something even more unique! All while involving crafting.0 -
Sihnfahl✭✭✭✭
But you don't NEED to be a maxed out crafter. You just need to be willing to spend more gold for the upgrade mats. Max crafters reduce the number of upgrade items needed.jabarikwilliamsb16_ESO wrote: »You do realize crafting is the only way to upgrade any dropped item right?
And it'd pathetically easy to max out blacksmithing, clothing and woodworking for the few skill points you need to reduce the upgrade item requirements.
About the only one that's a pain is enchanting...
Which people will get anyway thanks to anom farming. Think how many people are grinding anoms right now just for the VP. They're collecting tons of items, sets included...hours and hours looking for an item drop
Edited by Sihnfahl on June 5, 2014 4:39PM0 -
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✭what they need to do is add more crafted sets besides the current several. Especially the Green sets all over Craglorn that are looted could be easily special crafted sets. If they want to add special quests in order to learn sets that would be cool or even special research requirements. I am not opposed to boss drop loot / gear but crafters need more to remain on top of the game.0 -
ZOS_LenaicR✭✭✭✭Hi there,
Please keep in mind that, per our Community Code of Conduct, it is never acceptable to insult and flame on other members of the community, and that even heated discussions should remain constructive and civil.
We would like to keep this discussion open, so we encourage everyone to please be respectful of one another’s opinions.0 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭what they need to do is add more crafted sets besides the current several. Especially the Green sets all over Craglorn that are looted could be easily special crafted sets. If they want to add special quests in order to learn sets that would be cool or even special research requirements. I am not opposed to boss drop loot / gear but crafters need more to remain on top of the game.
I agree! When I get home I will add and refine the ideas into first post! But don't forget too send feedback!0 -
alexj4596b14_ESO✭✭✭ZOS_LenaicR wrote: »Hi there,
Please keep in mind that, per our Community Code of Conduct, it is never acceptable to insult and flame on other members of the community, and that even heated discussions should remain constructive and civil.
We would like to keep this discussion open, so we encourage everyone to please be respectful of one another’s opinions.
Thank you!!! Can u let the secs know of the post!!! And that we will continue too refine the idea!!!0