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vyal✭✭✭Melee gets the shaft in every game since 1998. Ranged (and even better, Ranged Caster) has been the golden child of every MMO since.
Why stand next to the terrible monster filled with spikes, auras, conals, tailswipes, breaths, and ground-pound? Stand back, have a coffee, and wiggle your fingers.
Roles are gone. No-one wants the social necessity of grouping to achieve a goal. Everyone wants to solo everything as a Bright Wizard (or reasonable hand-drawn facsimile thereof). Hate list? Nah. Two taunts is good enough! DPS or death! yeah! it's a new paradigm. (no, no it's not).
Soon, we'll get even more dancing out of the fire, and more DPS checks, and more of all the same crap that lacks creativity and has been done before.
As with every persistent multiplayer online game since 2004, every month there will be nerfs and buffs to skills. Players will adjust to these nerfs and buffs until all the "first round" players leave in disgust, because the game will be approaching the current lead designer goal (whatever insane goal that might be).
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psufan5✭✭✭✭Did a DK just complain about being underpowered? Talk about a guy that has no idea how to play the game lol
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Stratti✭✭✭✭✭
Maybe you should reword your complaint. It is not the sorc class that is op, it is the light armor set with destruction flame staff you seem to have an issue with. None of the sorc class abilities are particularly op unless you listen to the anti bolt escape pvp crowd.
I play a sorc with flame staff (and all light armor) and I certainly cannot take on 3 mobs in VR2 content. Even switching to restoration staff for heals, I still die and die fast unless I use my ultimate. I sometimes barely get by when I pull 2 while I see DKs STILL pulling multiples and steamrolling them after the patch. I am not using whatever build most sorcs are using and it certainly would make things easier on me but I prefer to use what I find fun.
Considering anyone can play with any weapon, any armor and make any build they choose, calling one class op is a bit silly. Any class should be able to pull very good dps in light armor because they cannot take the hits so things need to die fast. Asking for the same damage output while wearing heavy armor and a shield is silly because that would be super op. Tanks are supposed to be the meat shields to absorb the hits while the squishy ones do the killing.
Really?
So if I watch a la take no damage from 3 mobs in their face. One in close proximity wailing on it.
No damage taken no health drop
And the dps is 5 times my rate.
And they have a rune they can spam with endless magicka that disables them
This is ok.
And if the meat shield watches this and says stuff that I want to do that ... Then what ?? You go do a Dungeoun no one is tanking - you want trials no one is tanking
Adios game.
Set aside your personal stake and think of the betterment of the game.
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✭ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »
Agreed.
Hence the thread they need to balance it before the vast bulk locks in this build and the game becomes a staff and robe fest - this would kill any MMO let alone a baby one like eso
too late thats what we,ve got
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Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Well actually its a true title . NERFS kill games . They always have . Tho why a DK would even begin to cry on the forums is beyond me .
The guy who posted this needs to look at some of the You Tube Vids of DKs .
Rule 1 of Forums - make sure u read the forum before trolling I am not crying I am concerned at the state of the balance of the game causing it to homogenise into Mage with Staff and almost nothing else. Literally how often do you see anything else.
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Yankee✭✭✭✭ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »
Spiteful is perhaps a strong word. If a build is OP it must be nerfed or the game will be unbalanced and players will exploit the build and ruin the long term viability of classes . This is an opinion I guess in as far as the Big Bang could be. It is basic game logic as old as the first MMO
If all the cool kids want to do one thing that makes the game easily beaten then they will however the game will be ruined in the process
In a previous patch they increased the magicka cost of impulse, which had an effect on the "OPness" of this build.
At VR6 I still use it for more than 2 mobs and it still works. But running out of magicka can now happen especially with a mob healer or two and then it is insta death. Letting an archer or caster split out of AoE range can have the same result. So I still sometimes die using this OP build.
Given the ZOS track record, you will likely get your wish. They will nerf this build further instead of buffing stamina builds.
And this will result in even less subscriptions, including mine.
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Stratti✭✭✭✭✭*sigh*, another DK thread.
The thread is not about DK
It's about lack of balance between caster and melee from the perspective of dk
You really should read a thread before flaming it . It s a serious issue in terms of the game becoming Hogwarts online nothing but mages
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Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Melee gets the shaft in every game since 1998. Ranged (and even better, Ranged Caster) has been the golden child of every MMO since.
Why stand next to the terrible monster filled with spikes, auras, conals, tailswipes, breaths, and ground-pound? Stand back, have a coffee, and wiggle your fingers.
Roles are gone. No-one wants the social necessity of grouping to achieve a goal. Everyone wants to solo everything as a Bright Wizard (or reasonable hand-drawn facsimile thereof). Hate list? Nah. Two taunts is good enough! DPS or death! yeah! it's a new paradigm. (no, no it's not).
Soon, we'll get even more dancing out of the fire, and more DPS checks, and more of all the same crap that lacks creativity and has been done before.
As with every persistent multiplayer online game since 2004, every month there will be nerfs and buffs to skills. Players will adjust to these nerfs and buffs until all the "first round" players leave in disgust, because the game will be approaching the current lead designer goal (whatever insane goal that might be).
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Wavemoore✭✭ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »I notice sorcerers around me lowing through trash mobs - spamming a mass lift and drop stun every so often and I got to say.
Edit : no wonder all you see is sorcerer flame staff hardly any healers or tanks . GG
The skill you are referring to is Volcanic Rune. It's not a sorcerer skill, it's a mage's guild skill that's accessible by all. If it's that good, then go pick it up. No need to call for (or imply the need for) a nerf of something just because you chose not to use it.2 -
Gwarok✭✭✭Its not the class itself that OP or UP. It is the fact that light armor and staff are the best builds for every single class. That is where the biggest imbalance lays.
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Forget using a Sword and Board, Duel Wield, or Great-swords....we've been totally gimped when we use those now. Stamina usage and "hack 'n slash" is a joke compared to Magicka and staff usage. Which ticks me off, because I love to hack and slash, using a staff bores me to death!Edited by Gwarok on June 4, 2014 3:27PM"Strive for balance of all things. When the scales tip to one side or the other, someone or somethings gets short-changed. When someone gets short-changed, unpredictability and strife unbalance the world around us...To achieve freedom from greed, from want, and from strife, all parties in any exchange MUST find balance." -House Hlaalu's Philosophy of Trade
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(Juliet):
...it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man.
O, be some other name!
What's in a name?
That which we call a rose?
By any other name would smell as sweet.
Retain that dear perfection to which he owes...
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Stratti✭✭✭✭✭
Let me guess
The skill you are referring to is Volcanic Rune. It's not a sorcerer skill, it's a mage's guild skill that's accessible by all. If it's that good, then go pick it up. No need to call for (or imply the need for) a nerf of something just because you chose not to use it.
You read my OP,
Nothing else
Then gave us this bit of information ....
This thread is about homogeny of class to Mage to the detriment of the game . Engage with the thread not the OP people have expressed opinions here. They are worthy of reading I think.
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Then you are doing something very wrong watched a Sorc solo 6 VR7 Mobs yesterday . 2 of the mobs COULD kill my NB .
Maybe you should reword your complaint. It is not the sorc class that is op, it is the light armor set with destruction flame staff you seem to have an issue with. None of the sorc class abilities are particularly op unless you listen to the anti bolt escape pvp crowd.
I play a sorc with flame staff (and all light armor) and I certainly cannot take on 3 mobs in VR2 content. Even switching to restoration staff for heals, I still die and die fast unless I use my ultimate. I sometimes barely get by when I pull 2 while I see DKs STILL pulling multiples and steamrolling them after the patch. I am not using whatever build most sorcs are using and it certainly would make things easier on me but I prefer to use what I find fun.
Considering anyone can play with any weapon, any armor and make any build they choose, calling one class op is a bit silly. Any class should be able to pull very good dps in light armor because they cannot take the hits so things need to die fast. Asking for the same damage output while wearing heavy armor and a shield is silly because that would be super op. Tanks are supposed to be the meat shields to absorb the hits while the squishy ones do the killing.
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Phantorang✭✭✭✭Commonpain wrote: »redundancy is ridiculous
mmh... somehow this thread reminds me of another recently opened thread... aah yes there it was
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107306/dragon-knights-to-weak
You made my day
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Stratti✭✭✭✭✭Oh and by the way it needs a nerf HARDCORE volc rune. I'm watching a sorcerer literally spamming it for 30 secs on two mobs - that is too OP and completely unbalanced.
Anyone who disagrees is simply someone who uses it
Don't worry the game is clearly going to be magecraft. When my subscription ends I will complete whatever quests I have then wait for WoD stuff this game1 -
mutharex✭✭✭✭✭Wss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »Oh and by the way it needs a nerf HARDCORE volc rune. I'm watching a sorcerer literally spamming it for 30 secs on two mobs - that is too OP and completely unbalanced.
Anyone who disagrees is simply someone who uses it
Don't worry the game is clearly going to be magecraft. When my subscription ends I will complete whatever quests I have then wait for WoD stuff this game
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Tuttebel✭✭✭ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »Oh and by the way it needs a nerf HARDCORE volc rune. I'm watching another character who invested time and a skill point in the mages guild to which I also have access but clearly can't be bothered literally spamming it for 30 secs on two mobs - that is too OP and completely unbalanced.
Anyone who disagrees is simply someone who uses it
Don't worry the game is clearly going to be magecraft. When my subscription ends I will complete whatever quests I have then wait for WoD stuff this game
There, fixed it for you
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Stratti✭✭✭✭✭There is a thread I started.
It is an exploit ok simple, much worse than bash - this guy is spamming it 4-5 times
Maybe if you had read the post with a little basic comprehension instead of being rude and trolling1 -
JessieColt✭✭✭✭ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »This will not be a long post. I will not give you complicated convoluted reasoning. This game is becoming not fun at V5. I play a DK Sword and Board of which you nerfed down to the ground with a Bow off spec . I notice sorcerers around me lowing through trash mobs - spamming a mass lift and drop stun every so often and I got to say.
What the hell. You nerf a little dps on the bash and allow sorcerers to absolutely destroy . Good luck with the game - I am contemplating either cancelling my tank altogether and re rolling something else or alternatively returning to warcraft. The lack of balance is shocking and must be addressed before it gets to be a deal breaker.
For me it is close
Edit : no wonder all you see is sorcerer flame staff hardly any healers or tanks . GG
First of all, this is a player forum with Moderators. ZeniMax developers, etc., have better things to spend their time on then reading butthurt threads by the user base. (They may show up if a specific issue is pointed out to them that may require an official reply/response).
Second, if you want to send a comment, complaint, or information to ZeniMax officially, use the /feedback function in the game. That is why it is there.
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Stratti✭✭✭✭✭JessieColtub17_ESO wrote: »
First of all, this is a player forum with Moderators. ZeniMax developers, etc., have better things to spend their time on then reading butthurt threads by the user base. (They may show up if a specific issue is pointed out to them that may require an official reply/response).
Second, if you want to send a comment, complaint, or information to ZeniMax officially, use the /feedback function in the game. That is why it is there.
I suggest you lose the term but hurt from your vernacular , honestly only children say that and it isn't the best visualisation or implication either.
Aside from that - General discussion is for ... General discussion. I am not sure what you are saying perhaps it is that we should t discuss the game .
P.S. Seriously you do know what but hurt refers to?
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*sigh* Another PvP Balance thread; ( #3,567,032 in the last 20 years across 30 MMO games, and counting)0
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Kililin✭✭✭✭ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »Oh and by the way it needs a nerf HARDCORE volc rune. I'm watching a sorcerer literally spamming it for 30 secs on two mobs - that is too OP and completely unbalanced.
Anyone who disagrees is simply someone who uses it
Don't worry the game is clearly going to be magecraft. When my subscription ends I will complete whatever quests I have then wait for WoD stuff this game
Best thing is, *** NB can spam it forever with siphoning strikes, i think that should be nerfed too.
Then we think about the next skill to nerf, after all the game is the most fun when my character is afraid of everything except torch bugs.
Easiest way would be to just remove every skill having more utility than a block and more damage than a light attack.Edited by Kililin on June 4, 2014 3:58PM0 -
Stratti✭✭✭✭✭I'm not a pvper but I'm tired of ppl not bothering to read more than a title and assuming the contents - it doesn't bode well for the future of humanity
Killian I get your point - it's about homogeny of classes into just mages as no other build is viable
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Yankee✭✭✭✭ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »Oh and by the way it needs a nerf HARDCORE volc rune. I'm watching a sorcerer literally spamming it for 30 secs on two mobs - that is too OP and completely unbalanced.
Anyone who disagrees is simply someone who uses it
Don't worry the game is clearly going to be magecraft. When my subscription ends I will complete whatever quests I have then wait for WoD stuff this game
/sigh..../facepalm...../slashwrist
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/sigh..../facepalm...../slashwrist
Sorry Yankee I like you but it's true - needs a 30s cd or even 10s spamming it is crazy and would never be allowed in other MMO w0 -
Elminster✭✭i read the OP as such, pls stop forcing us to spec our classes to the way that you want us to play!!!!! balance it so that every option is viable.... cause atm its all cookie cluster builds... and 90% of skills are useless wtf why put it in the first place.0
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JessieColt✭✭✭✭ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »
I suggest you lose the term but hurt from your vernacular , honestly only children say that and it isn't the best visualisation or implication either.
Aside from that - General discussion is for ... General discussion. I am not sure what you are saying perhaps it is that we should t discuss the game .
P.S. Seriously you do know what but hurt refers to?
I am referring to the title of the thread being a threat to the game developer. Since this is a USER forum, posting angry posts (butthurt threads) aimed at ZeniMax are pointless since they are written from anger and are not done as a way to foster communication and conversation between users, you know, in a USER forum?
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Yankee✭✭✭✭ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »
Sorry Yankee I like you but it's true - needs a 30s cd or even 10s spamming it is crazy and would never be allowed in other MMO w
And the people who want to use stamina/melee builds will continue to struggle in VR.
So the future nerf solves......what exactly?
Oh wait....then staff users can start complaint threads or quit the game too.
I respectfully disagree that it should be nerfed. They need to buff other builds.
I am fairly confident they will just keep nerfing though. And that is too bad. I have a VR1 dual wield/bow NB I would like to level with those weapons eventually.
It is like they are determined to drive the (remaining) player base away that have found skill/armor/weapon combos (not even class skills) that work in VR.Edited by Yankee on June 4, 2014 4:23PM0
