Do you prefer keyboard or gamepad?
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This poll is mainly to discuss to difference in comfort level between the keyboard and gamepad. It also allows me to suggest people check out my personal PS3 controller configuration using Xpadder in this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/96705/eso-ps3-360-custom-xpadder-controls#latest
Edited by SFBryan18 on June 4, 2014 6:02AM Do you prefer keyboard or gamepad? 210 votes
Keyboard
76%
160 votes
Gamepad
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50 votes
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭GamepadPersonally, I've always been most comfortable with a PS3 controller. Here's what I use:
PS3(360) Buttons
Buttons 1:
START - Alt: Previous Menu
SELECT(Back) - Hold for buttons 3
L1(LB) - Right mouse button: Block
L2(LT) - Hold for buttons 2
L3(LS) - CTRL: Crouch/ Sneak
L-STICK - ASDW: Move
R1(RB) - Left mouse button: Attack
R2(RT) - 1: Ability 1
R3(RS) - Shift: Sprint
R-STICK - Mouse: Camera
CROSS(A) - E: Activate/ Interact with Environment
SQUARE(X) - Space: Jump
TRIANGLE(Y) - 2: Ability 2
CIRCLE(B ) - 3: Ability 3
D-PAD LEFT - Q: Quick Menu
D-PAD DOWN - tab: Switch Targets
D-PAD RIGHT - `: Swap Weapons
D-PAD UP - H: Horse
Buttons 2:
START - Esc: Escape/ Game Menu
SELECT(Back) - Alt+Enter: Fullscreen
L1(LB) - Right mouse button: Block
L2(LT) - Blank (Held Button)
L3(LS) - [: Toggle Walk/Run (Set in game controller menu)
L-STICK - ASDW: Move
R1(RB) - Left mouse button: Attack
R2(RT) - 4: Ability 4
R3(RS) - ]: Toggle UI (Set in game controller menu)
R-STICK - Mouse: Camera
CROSS(A) -
SQUARE(X) - Mouse button 5: Dodge/ Roll (Set in game controller menu and also turn off double tab dodge in game options)
TRIANGLE(Y) - 5: Ability 5
CIRCLE(B ) - X: Synergy
D-PAD LEFT - F: Activate/ Interact with Player
D-PAD DOWN - Y: Hold and press attack/block to command pet
D-PAD RIGHT - Z: Draw/ Holster Weapon
D-PAD UP - Mouse Button 4: Autorun
Buttons 3:
START - F1: Help
SELECT(Back) - Blank (Held Button)
L1(LB) - ': Mail
L2(LT) - N: Notifications
L3(LS) - Mute
L-STICK - Volume Up/Down
R1(RB) - K: Skills
R2(RT) - T: Toggle Swap Quest
R3(RS) - V: Toggle First/ Third Person
R-STICK - Mouse Scroll Up/ Down: Zoom In/ Out
CROSS(A) - M: Map
SQUARE(X) - I: Inventory
TRIANGLE(Y) - C: Character
CIRCLE(B ) - J: Journal
D-PAD LEFT - G: Guilds
D-PAD DOWN - O: Contacts
D-PAD RIGHT - P: Group
D-PAD UP -L: Alliance WarEdited by SFBryan18 on June 9, 2014 3:31AM1 -
david271749✭✭✭✭✭KeyboardThis isn't Skyrim. You can map all of your abilities to a controller, but it's tricky. Even with presets that people put out, it's still not that great. Xpadder is a good program for games without controller support, but not too great for this game.1 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭GamepadI disagree. Having used Xpadder in this game for awhile now, and playing Skyrim for 1000+ hours with a controller, I have been very happy with what Xpadder can do for this game.Edited by SFBryan18 on June 4, 2014 6:14AM1 -
Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭Didn't vote because it largely depends on the game.
For several years, now, my PC gaming has been for MMOs and I've mostly played everything else on console. Normally, because MMOs then to have full 10 or 12 key hotbars, or multiples, plus you have to type messages to other players I would say keyboard, for sure.
But I'm not a fan of aswd+mouse toon control PLUS having to key hotbars. I'm convinced we have to do that (and are limited to 5 abilities plus 1 ultimate plus 1 pot) because this game was primarily designed for console. And I think it will play better with console controller. Movement and positioning in the fast paced combat we have here, at least.
So I didn't vote because I've only played with keyboard and after a few days of getting used to it I was fine. But I'm betting it's a lot smoother with a controller.
I'm curious what people who have tried both on pc have to say.
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Ardeni✭✭KeyboardI've never owned a PS(1-4) or an Xbox and thus I am unfamiliar with the gamepad. With this poll I suddenly came to realize that one of the biggest reasons for only having 5 skills + ulti at your disposal at any given time might be the fact that you can't really fit much more than that on a gamepad, at least to my (humble) knowledge unless you use some multiple button combinations. Too bad, since I could really use 1-3 more skill slots per weapon
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Uviryth✭✭✭✭✭KeyboardIs that a trick question? Why would anyone want to use a controller for anything other than racing-games? They are inferior in every way possible.12 -
david271749✭✭✭✭✭KeyboardI disagree. Having used Xpadder in this game for awhile now, and playing Skyrim for 1000+ hours with a controller, I have been very happy with what Xpadder can do for this game.
Really? Every config I've tried is just not fluid. I have to hold a button down to access another button layout. Some even have a third button layout. Maybe somebody could recommend a good config to me.Edited by david271749 on June 4, 2014 6:19AM2 -
david271749✭✭✭✭✭KeyboardDidn't vote because it largely depends on the game.
For several years, now, my PC gaming has been for MMOs and I've mostly played everything else on console. Normally, because MMOs then to have full 10 or 12 key hotbars, or multiples, plus you have to type messages to other players I would say keyboard, for sure.
But I'm not a fan of aswd+mouse toon control PLUS having to key hotbars. I'm convinced we have to do that (and are limited to 5 abilities plus 1 ultimate plus 1 pot) because this game was primarily designed for console. And I think it will play better with console controller. Movement and positioning in the fast paced combat we have here, at least.
So I didn't vote because I've only played with keyboard and after a few days of getting used to it I was fine. But I'm betting it's a lot smoother with a controller.
I'm curious what people who have tried both on pc have to say.
This game. ESO. We're on the ESO forums.
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Kililin✭✭✭✭KeyboardI prefer keyboard, but i dont get that we have to live with UI flaws that exist because of console portability but have no controller support without third party tools.
That makes no sense, at all.2 -
Gwarok✭✭✭KeyboardBeen keyboarding for well... forever. I swear my thumbs have got to be the two most dumbest digits on my hands and are always /stuck on stupid. The only thing mine are good for is jumping (left), swapping weapons and/or drinking a potion (right). If it weren't for multi-button mouses I'd probably not be gaming right now.Edited by Gwarok on June 4, 2014 6:26AM"Strive for balance of all things. When the scales tip to one side or the other, someone or somethings gets short-changed. When someone gets short-changed, unpredictability and strife unbalance the world around us...To achieve freedom from greed, from want, and from strife, all parties in any exchange MUST find balance." -House Hlaalu's Philosophy of Trade
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Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭david271749 wrote: »
This game. ESO. We're on the ESO forums.
And? You say that like it means something.
I'm talking about ESO. There are console controllers for PC. And the game us coming out for consoles.
Yes, ESO. If you spent as much time reading what I posted as crafting smartass posts you would see that what I said was for MMOs I use a keyboard since they are all PC games, for the most part. But this one seems to have been designed for console so I'm betting it works better on a console controller. I don't know about the pc console-like controller tho because I dont use them. So I didn't vote. But ill let you know about the Xbox one controller in the Fall when that version cones out.
More reading. Less trolling.Edited by Fleymark on June 4, 2014 6:34AM3 -
Razzak✭✭✭✭✭KeyboardSadly, the game was designed more for gamepads. It's like they haven't heard there's a "enter" button.1
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Aballister✭✭✭KeyboardGamepad weren't around when I started, so keyboard all the wayDark Elf Sorc(AD)2 -
Korozenn✭✭✭✭KeyboardMy hands are too large now to use a controller anywhere near as effectively as the traditional Keyboard and Mouse setup. It also just feels a lot more comfortable when combat situations get intense as my hands don't get cramped with the custom keybindings I use in the game.
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rotiferuk✭✭✭Gamepaddavid271749 wrote: »
Really? Every config I've tried is just not fluid. I have to hold a button down to access another button layout. Some even have a third button layout. Maybe somebody could recommend a good config to me.
I just use my gamepad ( a wired Xbox360 clone) just for combat. I use a mini wireless keyboard (Sumvision Rio) for everything else. My configuration (xpadder) is as follows.
Left thumb - movement
Click - sneak toggle
Right thumb - mouse
Click - jump
Left trigger - right mouse
Right trigger - left mouse
Start - ability 1
X - ability 2
Y - ability 3
A - ability 4
B - ability 5
Dpad up - Quickslot item
Dpad down - weapon swap
Dpad left - synergy
Dpad right - ultimate
Back - map / journal (short / long press)
Left bumper Dodge roll / sprint (short / long press)
Right Bumper (Interact / Loot) (short / long press)
I use the Greymind Quickslot addon which allows the quick slot wheel items to be mapped to keys (I use F1 - F8). Once the item is selected using a function key it still has to be triggered using the Q key (Dpad up)EU Server.0 -
david271749✭✭✭✭✭Keyboard
I just use my gamepad ( a wired Xbox360 clone) just for combat. I use a mini wireless keyboard (Sumvision Rio) for everything else. My configuration (xpadder) is as follows.
Left thumb - movement
Click - sneak toggle
Right thumb - mouse
Click - jump
Left trigger - right mouse
Right trigger - left mouse
Start - ability 1
X - ability 2
Y - ability 3
A - ability 4
B - ability 5
Dpad up - Quickslot item
Dpad down - weapon swap
Dpad left - synergy
Dpad right - ultimate
Back - map / journal (short / long press)
Left bumper Dodge roll / sprint (short / long press)
Right Bumper (Interact / Loot) (short / long press)
I use the Greymind Quickslot addon which allows the quick slot wheel items to be mapped to keys (I use F1 - F8). Once the item is selected using a function key it still has to be triggered using the Q key (Dpad up)
That's nice, and I know I'm going to seem like an *** again. If you can't use the controller without a keyboard, doesn't that defeat the purpose?2 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭GamepadI will edit my first reply and post what I use with Xpadder since I can tell a lot of people just skip the link to my other thread.Edited by SFBryan18 on June 4, 2014 8:12AM0 -
Alazarz✭✭✭KeyboardI use a 17 button Razer Naga MMO mouse... and minimal use of my keyboard.
Note: Poll should have said 'Keyboard & mouse'
The poll singles out the keyboard as if it's not used in conjunction with any other peripherals... Such as a mouse << Which can majorly determine how much and what you would even use the keyboard for Edited by Alazarz on June 4, 2014 8:30AM2 -
rotiferuk✭✭✭Gamepaddavid271749 wrote: »
That's nice, and I know I'm going to seem like an *** again. If you can't use the controller without a keyboard, doesn't that defeat the purpose?
As you have already pointed out, mapping all the keyboard functions to a keypad results in a very complex button layout. So why bother?
I spend the majority of my playing time questing / fighting / moving. This is MUCH easier using a game pad. If I want to use my inventory / reassign abilities I find somewhere safe and use my keyboard. The make I mentioned in my previous post is intended for android devices, is very compact and has a trackball. Also, I do not sit at a desk, I play from my settee on a 30 inch TV.
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✭✭KeyboardKeyboard and mouse. Iwould prefer it if they had given us more hotkeys for our abilities but it's still keyboard and mouse.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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david271749✭✭✭✭✭Keyboard
As you have already pointed out, mapping all the keyboard functions to a keypad results in a very complex button layout. So why bother?
I spend the majority of my playing time questing / fighting / moving. This is MUCH easier using a game pad. If I want to use my inventory / reassign abilities I find somewhere safe and use my keyboard. The make I mentioned in my previous post is intended for android devices, is very compact and has a trackball. Also, I do not sit at a desk, I play from my settee on a 30 inch TV.
Hmmm. I might give a hybrid method a go then. I really prefer my gamepad over keyboard and mouse, but not for this game...yet. I play on a tv as well, but I just use wireless mouse and keyboard. One more question. Where is your mount? Keyboard or gamepad?
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✭✭✭✭✭GamepadI'm going to try Xpadder out now that I heard of it, for the most part I use MotionInJoy for Skyrim and will key it out almost the same way. Right now I'm using Razer Naga for most of my in-game controls and the keyboard is purely for movement only.
Shift, Ctrl, and the arrow keys are on the default settings. Jump is Zero on the numpad so its really close.
Middle Mouse button is Auto-Run, didn't see a point to the Free look thing.
On the 12 key thumbpad
12346 - are my main action keys
5 - Interact key
8 - Ultimate
7 - quickslot pot
9 - weapon swap
I haven't setup a use for 10 11 and 12 yet, though I usually don't reach that far back to make use of them.
Index finger buttons (next to the Left Mouse click). I hate the position of these on the Razer Epic, its behind the mouse wheel instead, no idea how that be more comfortable.
Forward Key is Mount
Rear Key is Dodge0 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭GamepadBTW, for those who are confused about chat, if I am playing from a desk I will also use the keyboard on my laptop, but at home I have a wireless keyboard next to my bed. I use the controller to play and the keyboard only when I have to type.1 -
Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭Xbox controller has 4 main buttons, 4 f-pad buttons, 2 bumpers, 2 triggers and both sticks can be used as buttons two if you press down in them. Plus there are two buttons in the center that I forget what they call them now on the Xbox one but on the 360 they were the forward and back buttons. That's 16 stand alone buttons not including the directionals on the sticks. And that's before you consider that most games heavy on input usually use combos. 4 main buttons plus another layer combined with bumper or trigger gives you 8 just right there. That's all you need for 5 abilities, an ultimate, a potion and, say weapon set toggle right there.
The short version....There are plenty of buttons on an Xbox controller for this game. In fact, I'm convinced we are limited to 5 abilities and an ultimate because this was designed to be a console game. And every other little thing. It's the least PC like game I've ever played on PC, for sure and that's been apparent from the first time I logged in. We have to use aswd PLUS mouse for movement because the game was intended for two controler sticks. We have to use two mouse buttons for attack and block because the game was intended for two console triggers. Because those two things alone plus abilities keys plus the occasional map toggle and the like could have been designed WAY better for a keyboard. But I'm betting the keyboard was adapted to fit the console design of the game not the other way around. As both a PC and console gamer it's obvious, to me at least.
The console versions got delayed because they are having issues integrating their game networks with the console networks and they have to do it for two different ones, according to the announcement.Edited by Fleymark on June 4, 2014 8:50AM2 -
Kenthros✭✭GamepadI play this game with a controller, because you do not need to have precision aiming. In skyrim and the others playing as a mage you must have perfect aim so I use Keyboard mouse.But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭KeyboardI have to change it almost 100% but defiantly keyboard. All this wasd crap for movement though. Nah! That's too old school for me.0