This Game Has 2 Classes Only

nerevarine1138

Unless there is some magic switch that gets flipped at VR10, my dual-wield/bow Nightblade will still be doing just fine when I get to trials.

I honestly cannot comprehend the minds of people who sit at spreadsheets all day deciding whether or not the numbers for one class look shinier than the numbers for another. I have fun playing my Nightblade. I enjoy the game. I have always held my own in groups because I don't try to play my class like I'm a WoW-Rogue-clone.

psufan5

Nooblet wrote: »

The lack of versatility is pretty bad. As a sorc there are very few useful spells. I assume the same is true for most classes. With 300 skill points I would think there would be some versatility, and there could have been, but balance doesn't exist in eso.

Also as v12 sorc, I've been 2shot on multiple occasions by nightblades, I don't think they are near as broken as people say.

Not with your armor buff up. They will not kill you with that buff up. No way, no how.

Nooblet

psufan5 wrote: »

Nooblet wrote: »

The lack of versatility is pretty bad. As a sorc there are very few useful spells. I assume the same is true for most classes. With 300 skill points I would think there would be some versatility, and there could have been, but balance doesn't exist in eso.

Also as v12 sorc, I've been 2shot on multiple occasions by nightblades, I don't think they are near as broken as people say.

Not with your armor buff up. They will not kill you with that buff up. No way, no how.

Right, I should have it up at all times, and the combat is so fluid there's no delay breaking cc and weapon swapping.

Nooblet

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Unless there is some magic switch that gets flipped at VR10, my dual-wield/bow Nightblade will still be doing just fine when I get to trials.

I honestly cannot comprehend the minds of people who sit at spreadsheets all day deciding whether or not the numbers for one class look shinier than the numbers for another. I have fun playing my Nightblade. I enjoy the game. I have always held my own in groups because I don't try to play my class like I'm a WoW-Rogue-clone.

They don't. They see people looking for certain class and think that class is better. When its not even the class, just the likelihood they use a better weapon spec for pve content.

Calgrissom

mutharex wrote: »

ikilled007b16_ESO wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

I always wonder, when I see these type of threads: have you actually tried playing one of those classes to see if they are OP of if maybe you ain't good? Just a curiosity

I always wonder when I see these types of replies: which of the two OP classes do you actually play or are you replying out of pure ignorance? Just curious.

None and no, it's just experience with whiny players that can't face the fact this is just a game and if they don't like their class they can play another. But thanks fro the attempted troll

This guy is nothing but a troll its all he does. Please post your class and Vet level. O and if you a Templar or night blade your fraps of yourself soloing trails/V10 group dungeons. Ive never seen you make a constructive post on these forums. My guess is your a DK with a destro staff.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

Covyn

Mix of Destro and Resto "Battery Builds". DK's synergize it easily, as do Sorcs....but I've also seen the NB's and Temps pull off some fairly amazing stuff with it as well. Definitely not to the degree a DK can, but.....

Zeni really needs to figure out a way to make the other weapon skills suck less. I don't think there should only be ONE optimal build that seems to rely on 1 armor and 2 staves for everyone.

nerevarine1138

Calgrissom wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

ikilled007b16_ESO wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

I always wonder, when I see these type of threads: have you actually tried playing one of those classes to see if they are OP of if maybe you ain't good? Just a curiosity

I always wonder when I see these types of replies: which of the two OP classes do you actually play or are you replying out of pure ignorance? Just curious.

None and no, it's just experience with whiny players that can't face the fact this is just a game and if they don't like their class they can play another. But thanks fro the attempted troll

This guy is nothing but a troll its all he does. Please post your class and Vet level. O and if you a Templar or night blade your fraps of yourself soloing trails/V10 group dungeons. Ive never seen you make a constructive post on these forums. My guess is your a DK with a destro staff.

VR6 Nightblade with dual-wield/bow loadout.

I don't fraps, and if I did (oh my Talos, how sad my life would have to be for that to happen), I still wouldn't be trying to solo group content. That's not a measure of how good a class is; it's a measure of how well you're able to exploit twitch-reflex mechanics to avoid getting hit.

I'm doing just fine in PvE with my Nightblade, thanks. If you need some tips, hit me up.

[Moderator Edit: Edited quote from moderated post.]

Drasn

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Unless there is some magic switch that gets flipped at VR10, my dual-wield/bow Nightblade will still be doing just fine when I get to trials.

I honestly cannot comprehend the minds of people who sit at spreadsheets all day deciding whether or not the numbers for one class look shinier than the numbers for another. I have fun playing my Nightblade. I enjoy the game. I have always held my own in groups because I don't try to play my class like I'm a WoW-Rogue-clone.

The problem is a good majority of the nightblades do play their toon like a WoW-Rogue-clone (whiner mentality and all). Problem with this is that it makes all nightblades look like they have no concept of how THIS game's mechanics work. This makes it harder to get into groups for the good nightblades because the entire class has a bad rap.

The problem is that the game wasn't clear at get go that stamina based abilities aren't meant to be your main abilities. (The game is designed this way. Every classes core skills are magicka.) Now we have a lot of nightblades and even templars (two classes which the core abilities are lackluster, for whatever reason) that were using stamina based weapons to level 1-50, get punched in the face because VR levels is where the game finally lets you know that stamina abilities are supplementary.

DISCLAIMER: Yes, the nightblade is a broken class, however it can still be effective.

DISCLAIMER 2: Yes, templar class abilities are subpar, but it can still be effective.

Spryt

Don't think it's the staff thats is a problem. Main problem I think is how ultimates work. They need to better balance them and change how fast you can charge and use them.

Also Templar and NB ones are pretty crap compared to some DK and Soc ones.

kitsinni

I still play my Nightblade very day I'm currently in Craglorn VR10. I think Nightblade has some really strong abilities and you can play them really well. I don't think they are as strong as some other classes but they are capable.

I think the biggest issue with Nightblade is they are not all that strong in the traditional role you expect them in. Most people expected them to be stron in DW/Bow but they are one of the weakest with DW since they can't buff their weapon power the way other classes do. I think a good Sorc/DK can actually DW better than a NB. Bow is just not that strong except for some PvP applications. The fact that NB haste doesn't work on bows also makes them kind of weak. You can stack Weapon Power from sets and equipment and do a good amount with DW/Bow still but not as much as a Sorc who stacked that and DWs.

I think for a NB to be very strong you have to rely on class abilites where you are stacking spellpower and magika instead. This leaves a lot of NB running around with Resto staff for the bonuse damage and it works well it just doesn't seem to be the way people expected to play. It is a bit strange doing suprise attack from sneak with a staff but since it is a class ability it still works. Surprise Attack, Impale, Cloak, Siphoning Attacks are all extremely strong spells. In certain situations Swallow Sould, Cripple and Mass Hysteria are all really good.

TLDR: NB has great class abilites they just are not as strong with traditional rogue weapons as people expected.

Phantorang

mutharex wrote: »

I always wonder, when I see these type of threads: have you actually tried playing one of those classes to see if they are OP of if maybe you ain't good? Just a curiosity

And I always wonder when I read comments such as this, if you actually have tried playing a Temp or NB, and not see the huge gap in efficency up to Sorc/DK? Just an observation.

Hiddenbunny

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Unless there is some magic switch that gets flipped at VR10, my dual-wield/bow Nightblade will still be doing just fine when I get to trials.

I honestly cannot comprehend the minds of people who sit at spreadsheets all day deciding whether or not the numbers for one class look shinier than the numbers for another. I have fun playing my Nightblade. I enjoy the game. I have always held my own in groups because I don't try to play my class like I'm a WoW-Rogue-clone.

I am happy you have friends that's ok with a gimped build, whether you enjoyed it or not. That's why WoW has LFRs and Flex, for the "family and friends" audience they call it.

You won't see any dps on the more performance based group using dw/bow, since its 25%-50% lower dps in boss fights, even if you are good. NB is hailed as one of the better healers now and ok dps'er because they have best magika regen. With the way staff works now, its just much much more efficient to help your group to go with either resto or desto staff.

Regardless how you enjoy the game, it is a fact a group with staff based DPS will have an easier time, if the all player skills are equal. In that case, why hinder your group by playing the way you want? I love dw/bow, but I am leveling my staff now to help my group progress.

nerevarine1138

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Unless there is some magic switch that gets flipped at VR10, my dual-wield/bow Nightblade will still be doing just fine when I get to trials.

I honestly cannot comprehend the minds of people who sit at spreadsheets all day deciding whether or not the numbers for one class look shinier than the numbers for another. I have fun playing my Nightblade. I enjoy the game. I have always held my own in groups because I don't try to play my class like I'm a WoW-Rogue-clone.

The problem is a good majority of the nightblades do play their toon like a WoW-Rogue-clone (whiner mentality and all). Problem with this is that it makes all nightblades look like they have no concept of how THIS game's mechanics work. This makes it harder to get into groups for the good nightblades because the entire class has a bad rap.

The problem is that the game wasn't clear at get go that stamina based abilities aren't meant to be your main abilities. (The game is designed this way. Every classes core skills are magicka.) Now we have a lot of nightblades and even templars (two classes which the core abilities are lackluster, for whatever reason) that were using stamina based weapons to level 1-50, get punched in the face because VR levels is where the game finally lets you know that stamina abilities are supplementary.

DISCLAIMER: Yes, the nightblade is a broken class, however it can still be effective.

DISCLAIMER 2: Yes, templar class abilities are subpar, but it can still be effective.

Am I the only one who balances my magicka and stamina abilities so that I have pretty much constant use of my whole hotbar?

There are so many Nightblade/medium armor passives designed to help with a medium armor melee-stealth build like this, that I don't see how people couldn't get it. I have passives and ability morphs that give a huge boost to my stamina regen, so when I'm done hitting the boss with Rapid Strikes/Blood Craze, I can hit a couple of my Shadow abilities/Focused Attacks and go right back to spamming my weapon abilities.

This isn't rocket science. I figured out how to use these mechanics as soon as I hit VR, and I have never theorycrafted (because spreadsheets make me angry).

nerevarine1138

Hiddenbunny wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Unless there is some magic switch that gets flipped at VR10, my dual-wield/bow Nightblade will still be doing just fine when I get to trials.

I honestly cannot comprehend the minds of people who sit at spreadsheets all day deciding whether or not the numbers for one class look shinier than the numbers for another. I have fun playing my Nightblade. I enjoy the game. I have always held my own in groups because I don't try to play my class like I'm a WoW-Rogue-clone.

I am happy you have friends that's ok with a gimped build, whether you enjoyed it or not. That's why WoW has LFRs and Flex, for the "family and friends" audience they call it.

You won't see any dps on the more performance based group using dw/bow, since its 25%-50% lower dps in boss fights, even if you are good. NB is hailed as one of the better healers now and ok dps'er because they have best magika regen. With the way staff works now, its just much much more efficient to help your group to go with either resto or desto staff.

Regardless how you enjoy the game, it is a fact a group with staff based DPS will have an easier time, if the all player skills are equal. In that case, why hinder your group by playing the way you want? I love dw/bow, but I am leveling my staff now to help my group progress.

I must be an absolute genius/top-player-in-the-world, because I have no problem contributing consistently good damage in fights, even though actual damage output has very little to do with how effective I am in a group.

My build isn't gimped. I don't have some family/friends carrying me. I hold my own in dungeons with strangers and guildmates alike. Never had a single complaint.

Drasn

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Unless there is some magic switch that gets flipped at VR10, my dual-wield/bow Nightblade will still be doing just fine when I get to trials.

I honestly cannot comprehend the minds of people who sit at spreadsheets all day deciding whether or not the numbers for one class look shinier than the numbers for another. I have fun playing my Nightblade. I enjoy the game. I have always held my own in groups because I don't try to play my class like I'm a WoW-Rogue-clone.

The problem is a good majority of the nightblades do play their toon like a WoW-Rogue-clone (whiner mentality and all). Problem with this is that it makes all nightblades look like they have no concept of how THIS game's mechanics work. This makes it harder to get into groups for the good nightblades because the entire class has a bad rap.

The problem is that the game wasn't clear at get go that stamina based abilities aren't meant to be your main abilities. (The game is designed this way. Every classes core skills are magicka.) Now we have a lot of nightblades and even templars (two classes which the core abilities are lackluster, for whatever reason) that were using stamina based weapons to level 1-50, get punched in the face because VR levels is where the game finally lets you know that stamina abilities are supplementary.

DISCLAIMER: Yes, the nightblade is a broken class, however it can still be effective.

DISCLAIMER 2: Yes, templar class abilities are subpar, but it can still be effective.

Am I the only one who balances my magicka and stamina abilities so that I have pretty much constant use of my whole hotbar?

There are so many Nightblade/medium armor passives designed to help with a medium armor melee-stealth build like this, that I don't see how people couldn't get it. I have passives and ability morphs that give a huge boost to my stamina regen, so when I'm done hitting the boss with Rapid Strikes/Blood Craze, I can hit a couple of my Shadow abilities/Focused Attacks and go right back to spamming my weapon abilities.

This isn't rocket science. I figured out how to use these mechanics as soon as I hit VR, and I have never theorycrafted (because spreadsheets make me angry).

I agree with you completely, I don't play a nightblade, but i do play a templar. (Same ocean, different boat and all that).

It seems to me that people's biggest complaints about the 2 classes always ends up coming back to stamina abilities. (DW/Bow for nightblade and SnS/2H for templar).

I have tried over and over to explain that the game was never meant for pure stamina builds. It's not the way it was designed.

However, the play the way you want crowd continues to misinterpret that as "even if they randomly chose skills cuz pretty, they are somehow going to as effective as someone who planned and synergized every ability combination."

IKilled007

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Unless there is some magic switch that gets flipped at VR10, my dual-wield/bow Nightblade will still be doing just fine when I get to trials.

I honestly cannot comprehend the minds of people who sit at spreadsheets all day deciding whether or not the numbers for one class look shinier than the numbers for another. I have fun playing my Nightblade. I enjoy the game. I have always held my own in groups because I don't try to play my class like I'm a WoW-Rogue-clone.

That is the most important thing. If you're having fun, disregard all the forum chatter. The problem is a lot of us playing NB are not having as much fun because we can't play it the way we want to. Many of us want to be NB assassins and in PvP and PvE, we are not viable in that role. I'm not talking about in a solo VR2 dungeon. I'm talking about endgame Craglorn stuff and real PvP. If you join a guild and get on teamspeak and play with other large groups of people in battles in Cyrodiil, you'll quickly realize that we're the butt of every joke: "LOL that VR12 NB tried to gank me!" So we're forced to make builds we have no interest in.

Remember, you might be trying to get something else out of the game than what we are. So just because you're happy doesn't mean we all are. That, coupled with the fact that the Devs have specifically addressed the fact that there are serious problems with NB skills and playability, and it's obvious we're not all just a bunch of delusional whiners.

terence.caroneb17_ESO

I'd say "especially the melee templars/Nightblades". But hey, if you wanna play a templar/nightblade sorc ...

jambam817_ESO

Now that I'm out of the "Newbie" VR1 Island, stuff is starting to get difficult. My nightblade is struggling, even with a magika build. The DPS just isn't there. I've had to incorporate Veiled Strike, which i hadnt put a point in till just now. It helps a lot, but I wasn't intending for a melee character, and going within range as a caster has its risks. Maybe i should just roll something else since every build I've attempted on this Nightblade doesn't do it for me. Sucks to have 7 days of /played down the drain.....I don't know if i have the patience to do that again just to find a class I like.
I respecced with some heal skills because my DPS was just sub-par and getting a group like that wasn't going to work well, especially if the VR trend continues.
Pre VR was great. i dunno what happened

RedTalon

I am going to be tweaking my heavy armor nightblade some soon, but finding it can still be effective. I did destro staff/two handed weapons for the weapons, but mainly focus on siphoning skills, with a mix of shadow and assinastion skills.

But do think NB things need to be buffed up some to match the other classess, think just need to drop a few things with respec and my build will be better, but still under perform we will see.

But yes their are hordes of sorcs and dks, think there are a few other reasons for that also has somethings have been happening that won't say here but think people know why some are switching.

But things most likely will be looking more balance three months out from now, has is normal for mmos, first six months are always trail and error, was hoping it would be a little different for eso but hey stuff happens.

Hiddenbunny

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I must be an absolute genius/top-player-in-the-world, because I have no problem contributing consistently good damage in fights, even though actual damage output has very little to do with how effective I am in a group.

My build isn't gimped. I don't have some family/friends carrying me. I hold my own in dungeons with strangers and guildmates alike. Never had a single complaint.

You must be the genius/top-player in the the world, because you have no idea what I just said. The fact you said your "damage out has very little to do with how effective I am in a group" shows the precious little you know about the end game, and that's ok. You are having fun, you are being productive with the group you are playing with, no one is questioning how you play the game.

We are discussing the fact that staff weapons are better for dps compare to other weapons right now, and at the high end game, when every dps number count, the group has dw/bow class will have a tougher time, with all the other factors equal. That's a fact, that's not how I or anyone prefer to play.

Whether it's working for your personal case is irreverent. And also, wow's "family and friend" crowd isn't just that. It's how Blizzard defines the group of players who want to progress but don't want to go hardcore that max/min everything, a player base that's between hardcore and casual.

My case is that, if my group is not beating a trial boss because we are missing a few hundred dps, I can help the cause by leveling up my staff and fill that void, instead of insisting to play the way I want (which is dw/bow, just like you). That's my personal choice. Do I like it? no, do I have to do it? no, but I choose to help my group. That's just how I play.

You play it differently, and that's ok, but that has nothing to do with the fact staff is just better than other weapons, and people who build it that way will have an easier time. You seem to think you are doing all you can to help the group you are playing with? I ask you, if you can do some extra dps for your group if you change your weapon, will you do it? the answer from you is obviously no, because you are doing fine the way it is.

deathperadoeb17_ESO

Hiddenbunny wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

My case is that, if my group is not beating a trial boss because we are missing a few hundred dps, I can help the cause by leveling up my staff and fill that void, instead of insisting to play the way I want (which is dw/bow, just like you). That's my personal choice. Do I like it? no, do I have to do it? no, but I choose to help my group. That's just how I play.

Well, im happy, that it is working out for you. Well, there is that moment, that others, who wanted to play an ELDER SCROLLS game, where you could choose the way you play and the weapons and armor you use, just might disagree with such philosophy and simply will struggle a bit and then simply leave this game for such professionals like You. Well, combined with some other issues this game has, it could end so badly, that SWTOR will look like MMO success story of the century.

Kililin

I love it.

A: Staff is better DPS than melee/bow.
B: i am doing fine
A: prove?
B: none, it is not only about dps
A: /facepalm

The argument was not about if you can be an asset while holding a pair of daggers, but which weapon has better DPS.
12man content is about dps by the way, i have not done it, but the videos speak for themselves.

NordJitsu

The same kind of trash clearing you see with Sorcs and DKs is possible with Templar's and NBs. Most of it has nothing to do with the classes.

People are using Volcanic Rune, Pulsar/Elemental Ring, and Inner Light. Those are open to every class. That leaves you two slots to play with which may or may not be class abilities.

For a Sorc, you'll probably put Critical Surge in there and maybe Boundless Storm or Dark Exchange. For a DK you'll put Burning Talons and maybe Inferno, Cinder Storm, Fragmented Shield, Dragon's Blood, or Molten Armaments (DKs have the most options.)

As a Templar, you'll fill it out with Solar Barrage and Blazing Shield. Solar Barrage is just as good as Pulsar on its own and it has the added benefit of increasing weapon and spell power. That means you just alternate between the two and your Pulsar will hit much harder (hardest hitting Pulsar in the game.) You can also use Explosive Charge as a gap closer/opener for the Pulsar spam.

As a Night Blade, you'll use Sap Essence and Siphoning Attacks. Sap Essence will add to your AoE, increase the power of your Impulse, and give you and your group some healing. Siphoning Attacks will slightly lower your DPS in the short run (but this is counter balanced by Sap Essence) but since you'll have the greatest resource upkeep of the 4 classes your overall DPS will actually be the best since you'll never be OOM.

As a Sorc, I use one class skill for this (Crit Surge) and I'd actually rather have some of the options available to the other classes.

Anyone can do it guys. Its not a class thing.

Gern_Verkheart

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

I also wonder how many of the "ranged caster (sorcs) magicka users / nukers" (no, I did not even mention DKs, because DKs is only the inevitable next step) have also tried to play melee / physical damage classes / builds, based on stamina, and make it all the way well into the VR ranks / levels.

I would very gladly welcome comments and honest opinions on the outcome when you would compare the above. Since it is a common secret, the second category is more or less a farce and totally lacking in either dps, survivability and playability. Ah, you could also add the melee , stamina based, "tank" builds to this too.

I did exactly that on my sorc. When I started the game, I decided to play how I do every Elder Scrolls game: Medium armor, one handed wep (not possible in this game so I went with DW), and destruction magic: an "Arcane Assasin." It seemed that the sorc was the choice for me at start, and it went great all the way until Vet-2, when I started getting my face smashed in. I realized that in veteran zones, the spamming of CC is crucial to survive, and all CC abilities (save the one in Two-Handed) use magicka. So, I had to switch to the traditional cloth wearing caster class Just to progress in the game, and I hate it.

FrauPerchta

I have played the four classes, two characters in each class with two totally different build concepts. What I found is that all four classes are very viable. But viability totally depends on your character build. So NB.1 might seem OP while NB.2 might seem way under powered. On top of build you have to toss in skill rotation which can make a huge difference between how two NB.1 builds would play.

In ESO what works and what doesn't work for a class is far to narrow and totally blows that "play as you want to play" pre-release claim out of the water.

nerevarine1138

Hiddenbunny wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I must be an absolute genius/top-player-in-the-world, because I have no problem contributing consistently good damage in fights, even though actual damage output has very little to do with how effective I am in a group.

My build isn't gimped. I don't have some family/friends carrying me. I hold my own in dungeons with strangers and guildmates alike. Never had a single complaint.

You must be the genius/top-player in the the world, because you have no idea what I just said. The fact you said your "damage out has very little to do with how effective I am in a group" shows the precious little you know about the end game, and that's ok. You are having fun, you are being productive with the group you are playing with, no one is questioning how you play the game.

We are discussing the fact that staff weapons are better for dps compare to other weapons right now, and at the high end game, when every dps number count, the group has dw/bow class will have a tougher time, with all the other factors equal. That's a fact, that's not how I or anyone prefer to play.

Whether it's working for your personal case is irreverent. And also, wow's "family and friend" crowd isn't just that. It's how Blizzard defines the group of players who want to progress but don't want to go hardcore that max/min everything, a player base that's between hardcore and casual.

My case is that, if my group is not beating a trial boss because we are missing a few hundred dps, I can help the cause by leveling up my staff and fill that void, instead of insisting to play the way I want (which is dw/bow, just like you). That's my personal choice. Do I like it? no, do I have to do it? no, but I choose to help my group. That's just how I play.

You play it differently, and that's ok, but that has nothing to do with the fact staff is just better than other weapons, and people who build it that way will have an easier time. You seem to think you are doing all you can to help the group you are playing with? I ask you, if you can do some extra dps for your group if you change your weapon, will you do it? the answer from you is obviously no, because you are doing fine the way it is.

Again, unless a magic switch is flipped at VR12, damage is less important than your ability to use synergies and boss mechanics effectively. My damage is just fine, by the way (you know, like I said in the first part of that sentence that you didn't read properly), but it's hardly the most important thing I bring to a group.

AinGeal

I have DK and a NB. My DK is heavy armor and resto staff (not high enough level for second set) while my NB is medium armor and bow and dw.

With my lvl 10 DK, I could solo Brahma's Grove. Something I couldn't do with my NB. When I first came across forgotten crypts with my NB, I couldn't solo the mob groups. In addition to the DK and NB mentioned here, I also have a lvl 24 DK. When I first came across that dungeon with my other DK, I was able to solo the mob groups.

Being able to solo content with my DKs over my NBs (I had a V3 NB) is something I see quite often. This is not a fair comparison though. A fair comparison would require that both the DK and NB are using the same gear. After all, any class can use any gear. So with my being able to solo more with my DK, is it a difference in the class or the gear? Perhaps heavy armor and restoration staff is OP.

Artemiisia

heheh OP when u say buffing staff users for NB/templar, that will make sorcerer and dks even more stronger they are also staff users

nerevarine1138

AinGeal wrote: »

I have DK and a NB. My DK is heavy armor and resto staff (not high enough level for second set) while my NB is medium armor and bow and dw.

With my lvl 10 DK, I could solo Brahma's Grove. Something I couldn't do with my NB. When I first came across forgotten crypts with my NB, I couldn't solo the mob groups. In addition to the DK and NB mentioned here, I also have a lvl 24 DK. When I first came across that dungeon with my other DK, I was able to solo the mob groups.

Being able to solo content with my DKs over my NBs (I had a V3 NB) is something I see quite often. This is not a fair comparison though. A fair comparison would require that both the DK and NB are using the same gear. After all, any class can use any gear. So with my being able to solo more with my DK, is it a difference in the class or the gear? Perhaps heavy armor and restoration staff is OP.

This. This. Oh Talos, this.

Half of the complaints in this thread are about weapon skills. I haven't heard anyone complaining that dual wield Nightblades are somehow at a disadvantage to any other dual-wielding class. People really need to stop thinking that their class restricts their weapon choice.

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Kililin wrote: »

I love it.

A: Staff is better DPS than melee/bow.
B: i am doing fine
A: prove?
B: none, it is not only about dps
A: /facepalm

The argument was not about if you can be an asset while holding a pair of daggers, but which weapon has better DPS.
12man content is about dps by the way, i have not done it, but the videos speak for themselves.

I didn't say I wasn't doing fine DPS. I simply said that it isn't the most important part of a boss fight. I'm able to pump out consistently good burst DPS, and when any boss is down to low health, I guarantee I'm towards the front of the pack on damage thanks to all my class/weapon skills that give me huge boosts in that last stretch.