This Game Has 2 Classes Only

Jeddahwe

Well its happening, DK and Sorcerers are pulling ahead in DPS and able to solo 12 man content...Go to starting zones and guess what you see? an army of purple pets and spiked backs (DK armor buff)!

This game is at a turning point...Buff NB+Templar DPS ASAP especially the caster/destruction staff variants!

I know its not that simple but whats happening now is your classical new MMO life cycle GUYS this is a sub based MMO people who stop paying will be paying a sub to WoW and you will lose them for months if not a full year!

mutharex

I always wonder, when I see these type of threads: have you actually tried playing one of those classes to see if they are OP of if maybe you ain't good? Just a curiosity

deathperadoeb17_ESO

No way staff users need to be buffed!
Only thing, that needs to be buffed are all melee weapon skills, that use stamin - and stamina usage in general.
I made melee templar - if i wanted spell-caster i would have went for sorcerer.
It seems, that devs have totally no clue at the moment... and had no clue before, when they designed skills and classes.

UnholyPerfection

That's weird, I coulda sworn I had and enjoyed playing a Templar and Nightblade.

mutharex

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

That's weird, I coulda sworn I had and enjoyed playing a Templar and Nightblade.

nah that is because you're (sorry, I meant your) a delusional famboi
did I do it right?

zgrssd

deathperadoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I made melee templar - if i wanted spell-caster i would have went for sorcerer.
It seems, that devs have totally no clue at the moment... and had no clue before, when they designed skills and classes.

So the problem you have with Templare using Mana skills is entirely on your end (your inability to accept that this is how the game works)?

Luckily, that means the devs are in no way resposible for it. And you have to look to the guy in the Mirror to solve it.,

Ninnghizhidda

I also wonder how many of the "ranged caster (sorcs) magicka users / nukers" (no, I did not even mention DKs, because DKs is only the inevitable next step) have also tried to play melee / physical damage classes / builds, based on stamina, and make it all the way well into the VR ranks / levels.

I would very gladly welcome comments and honest opinions on the outcome when you would compare the above. Since it is a common secret, the second category is more or less a farce and totally lacking in either dps, survivability and playability. Ah, you could also add the melee , stamina based, "tank" builds to this too.

Harakh

Resto/Destro Staff with NB is fine make Weapon Damage better with 204 weapon damage my cleave makes only *285* Damage with a crit.

subecsanur

UnholyPerfection wrote: »

That's weird, I coulda sworn I had and enjoyed playing a Templar and Nightblade.

Lol enjoyed till what lvl? Read all the posts of VR10+ NB's who are seemingly no longer relevant in this game and have needed to drop all they have build using stamina based and end up going to staff builds and being healers just so they can even participate in trials or Craglorn runs.

Yes we all had fun but it hurts when fun does not translate to satisfaction at the end. I know some people like to say that the journey is important but when you have devoted and invested that much into (150+ levels) it only to end up being completely changed in the end just so you can still play and not forced to re-level another class this is depressing. Even putting attribute points into stamina doesn't help.
Everyone now is going the magicka pathway, yes even templars. Cookie cutter? This was not what was promoted at all.

snowmanflvb14_ESO

deathperadoeb17_ESO wrote: »

No way staff users need to be buffed!
Only thing, that needs to be buffed are all melee weapon skills, that use stamin - and stamina usage in general.
I made melee templar - if i wanted spell-caster i would have went for sorcerer.
It seems, that devs have totally no clue at the moment... and had no clue before, when they designed skills and classes.

or perhaps you have no clue . Just a thought. The guild I am in have tempalrs in heavy with sword and board, some in heavy with 2handers some with staffs and heavy some in light. Seems to be a class that can play in many types of gear and fill many roles

Kililin

First Error: thinking that Stamina build is a thing, it is not.
Stamina is here to supplement the Real Skills, with Blocks, Dodges, Stamina dump s, etc.

It is obviously by design, there is no other explanation.

Edit: it tried stamina builds with a sorc and a nightblade, both character are more functional with magicka builds. Even if i stay melee.

deathperadoeb17_ESO

Ye, forcing me to use light armor to fight no mana replenishing, because heavy armor provides none, one of the class skill sets is purely healing and both other skill sets have 1 like one really usable skills.
I have played TES series since Arena times and i never had some build forced down my throat - so what happened to that? I already stopped bothering with 1h+shield and going only with dual-wield, but when i see, that other 2 classes just run in and kill stuff on half time i need and with no danger to them?
Ye, and when i see all those nice advice "learn to play" - really makes my heart warm. Well, how about [snip]?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Regoras

mutharex wrote: »

I always wonder, when I see these type of threads: have you actually tried playing one of those classes to see if they are OP of if maybe you ain't good? Just a curiosity

I have, which is why I re-rolled to a DK.

fougerec99b16_ESO

deathperadoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I already stopped bothering with 1h+shield and going only with dual-wield, but when i see, that other 2 classes just run in and kill stuff on half time i need and with no danger to them?

From this it seems the problem is that other builds kill things faster than you do and take less damage. It would seem the issue isn't that your build isn't working, it's that others seem better. That's a player issue and it doesn't happen in single player ES games because you don't see anyone else performing better.

Turelus

Can I see some numbers and evidence to back up these claims, or are you just being a parrot and screaming what everyone is writing without fact checking.

Yes there are class imbalances, and yes they will be patches and tweaked for the next however many years this MMO goes on for. Hell WoW and EVE Online have been around a long time and are STILL balancing classes, ships and skills.
It' part of MMO gaming.

Kililin

Turelus wrote: »

Can I see some numbers and evidence to back up these claims, or are you just being a parrot and screaming what everyone is writing without fact checking.

Yes there are class imbalances, and yes they will be patches and tweaked for the next however many years this MMO goes on for. Hell WoW and EVE Online have been around a long time and are STILL balancing classes, ships and skills.
It' part of MMO gaming.

You know, if this was some kind of dispute i probably could be arsed to create parses.
But it is so obvious that only a few players use the obviously underpowered Weapons, that no one doing fast AA Runs is using other weapons etc. that i would say the parses should be provided by anyone claiming that Stamina based Builds are not underpowered.

IKilled007

mutharex wrote: »

I always wonder, when I see these type of threads: have you actually tried playing one of those classes to see if they are OP of if maybe you ain't good? Just a curiosity

I always wonder when I see these types of replies: which of the two OP classes do you actually play or are you replying out of pure ignorance? Just curious.

zgrssd

fougerec99b16_ESO wrote: »

deathperadoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I already stopped bothering with 1h+shield and going only with dual-wield, but when i see, that other 2 classes just run in and kill stuff on half time i need and with no danger to them?

From this it seems the problem is that other builds kill things faster than you do and take less damage. It would seem the issue isn't that your build isn't working, it's that others seem better. That's a player issue and it doesn't happen in single player ES games because you don't see anyone else performing better.

Edit: Sorry, wrong persopon talked too
@deathperadoeb17_ESO
I also ahve to add that 1h+Shield is the tank skill. It has taunt (as the first skill!) Armor debuffs. Better Blocking.
If you fight with 1H+Shield and wonder that everybody else has higher DPS, you should really start to read the tooltips.

Turelus

zgrssd wrote: »

fougerec99b16_ESO wrote: »

deathperadoeb17_ESO wrote: »

I already stopped bothering with 1h+shield and going only with dual-wield, but when i see, that other 2 classes just run in and kill stuff on half time i need and with no danger to them?

From this it seems the problem is that other builds kill things faster than you do and take less damage. It would seem the issue isn't that your build isn't working, it's that others seem better. That's a player issue and it doesn't happen in single player ES games because you don't see anyone else performing better.

Edit: Sorry, wrong persopon talked too
@deathperadoeb17_ESO
I also ahve to add that 1h+Shield is the tank skill. It has taunt (as the first skill!) Armor debuffs. Better Blocking.
If you fight with 1H+Shield and wonder that everybody else has higher DPS, you should really start to read the tooltips.

Well some of those morphs like the first taunt actually help the DPS of everyone else there remember. There is a self armour buff or weaken targets spell resistance morph for the first skill.
Agreed though that sword and shield is meant to be a more defensive/tank/support set and if you're trying to use that to out DPS a 2H or 2WF character you're not really thinking logically.

beeriod

Had my NB since pre launch and loved playing it and lvling was tough at VR levels but i adapted play and changed builds several times to get th ebest from my char. Whats the point if the DK does the same but twice as fast and spends a huge amount less on repair bills and gets into parties while i have to miss out because its not the Meta for trials? Because i stupidly paid for 3 months sub at start i intend to use it untill it runs out but I have now re-rolled to DK and if i hit VR again It will be a miracle but due to me picking the NB on the tell that it was the true DPS of the game and the fact that ZOS thinks Texas is now a EU member state I will wait till the Sub runs out, Pull up my pants (after ZOS pulled them down and shafted me) and move on.

Misty

My main character uses a staff and would be better of using harsh language.

DenverRalphy

I will be the first to admit that the game definitely needs some serious balancing. But if the argument "Such and such classes are able to solo 12 man content..." were to be accurate, then the solution or fix would most definitely not be to buff the weaker classes.

hk11

It really just has one class. Caster.

zgrssd

beeriod wrote: »

Had my NB since pre launch and loved playing it and lvling was tough at VR levels but i adapted play and changed builds several times to get th ebest from my char. Whats the point if the DK does the same but twice as fast and spends a huge amount less on repair bills and gets into parties while i have to miss out because its not the Meta for trials? Because i stupidly paid for 3 months sub at start i intend to use it untill it runs out but I have now re-rolled to DK and if i hit VR again It will be a miracle but due to me picking the NB on the tell that it was the true DPS of the game and the fact that ZOS thinks Texas is now a EU member state I will wait till the Sub runs out, Pull up my pants (after ZOS pulled them down and shafted me) and move on.

I said it often enough that you should have read it by now:
MMO will have problems like bugs or misbalancing of the classes. Always, but in particular after launch.

You decided to buy it after launch. You decided to sub for 3 full months.
If you are old enough to make contracts like this, you are old enough to have expect this.

subecsanur

Or as in game would say Magicka.

Kililin wrote: »

First Error: thinking that Stamina build is a thing, it is not.
Stamina is here to supplement the Real Skills, with Blocks, Dodges, Stamina dump s, etc.

It is obviously by design, there is no other explanation.

Edit: it tried stamina builds with a sorc and a nightblade, both character are more functional with magicka builds. Even if i stay melee.

Yeah just like you said, stamina dump so we end up with none to use the stamina skills.
If it is true then maybe stamina is just supplementary, really?
Never realized that all classes then essentially are just casters / magicka based.

mutharex

ikilled007b16_ESO wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

I always wonder, when I see these type of threads: have you actually tried playing one of those classes to see if they are OP of if maybe you ain't good? Just a curiosity

I always wonder when I see these types of replies: which of the two OP classes do you actually play or are you replying out of pure ignorance? Just curious.

None and no, it's just experience with whiny players that can't face the fact this is just a game and if they don't like their class they can play another. But thanks fro the attempted troll

Nooblet

The lack of versatility is pretty bad. As a sorc there are very few useful spells. I assume the same is true for most classes. With 300 skill points I would think there would be some versatility, and there could have been, but balance doesn't exist in eso.

Also as v12 sorc, I've been 2shot on multiple occasions by nightblades, I don't think they are near as broken as people say.

Calgrissom

Jeddahwe wrote: »

Well its happening, DK and Sorcerers are pulling ahead in DPS and able to solo 12 man content...Go to starting zones and guess what you see? an army of purple pets and spiked backs (DK armor buff)!

This game is at a turning point...Buff NB+Templar DPS ASAP especially the caster/destruction staff variants!

I know its not that simple but whats happening now is your classical new MMO life cycle GUYS this is a sub based MMO people who stop paying will be paying a sub to WoW and you will lose them for months if not a full year!

LOL the Caster and Destruction staff variants need far less help than the melee variants of these classes. The last thing we need is more Destro staff love.

Spryt

mutharex wrote: »

I always wonder, when I see these type of threads: have you actually tried playing one of those classes to see if they are OP of if maybe you ain't good? Just a curiosity

If a class can solo content made for 12 players. They either need to make that content a lot harder and bring other classes up to the same level.

Or change the name of the content from 12 man to solo and buff the other classes so they can solo it too.

Or maybe that one class that can solo content made for 12 players is OP?

Covyn

Nah...there is only one class, and it's not even a class really:

Light Armor + Staff = IWIN

Lot's of work needs to be done here to bring classes to a balanced synergy. And they are "trying"....they just tend to break more than they fix lol

Nooblet

I'm confused what people think is so good from dest staff other than impulse? Which supposedly got nerfed, yet I didn't notice a difference.