Templar, the now utterly useless class.

tplink3r1

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO wrote: »

This is the whole reason why biting jabs needed it change, it was good to use in any situation. Most AoE abilities lose their effectiveness once you're down to a couple targets/one target. BitJab just keeps on smashing.

1.it has a cast time, wich you can be easily stunned AND killed.
2.it deals very low damage AOE(around 220 for a VR level) , but still the best for templars.
they needed to give us new abilities or improve the other ones, not a nerf.

L2P is all I have to say to this counter argument, seriously, you need more practice in both PvP/PvE if this is how you play.

1. Why would you use this ability during a position of time where you can be countered and killed. A little awareness of what it is your doing please.
2. It was spammable, it did good AoE damage, and its effectiveness increased as the enemy count reduced. Opposite to how other AoE abilities function.
3. Now we have options in terms of looking at how abilities combo each other and what changes can now be made to the Templar class.

I'm sorry to say this, and I hate saying this, but yes I'm going to refer to WoW only for the perspective of quoting one of their changes, in which it made a lot of paladins upset at the time.

They had to strip the character down a bit in terms of their "crutches". It was becoming too much that you'd do 1 ability and just expect to win all the time and they couldn't develop or change the paladin because anytime they looked at changes, that ability was just over the top.

I feel in essence the same thing is happening here. They couldn't look at fixing other abilities with Biting Jabs in its current form. Possibly due to how internal testing discussions went down.

People came to the forum in the first few weeks of PvP/PvE and were complaining about how powerful Templars were perceived.

Again just my opinion.

1.you can be countered EVERYTIME when killing group of mobs(im talking about PvE, not PvP).
2.yes, it did a "good damage", nothing more, just average(and you couldnt block while using it...)
And i never mentioned only using bitting jabs, or did i? i know how to play templar, i tested all abilities, found an use for all of them and rarely die when soloing craglorn dungeons or open world mobs.
Blazing Shield ftw, but im sure it will get nerfed too... i can hit people for 700+ damage spamming it in large scale PvP, people will soon start crying.

tplink3r1

bug.

fyrefenix

the elder mages online! -featuring archers. * no veteran melee for you lol *

Azzuria

Is it my imagination or all these 'X class now sucks' threads basically about someone who complains about exploits being fixed and how the loss of their 'i win' button will cause ESO to go F2P in, like 6 days!!1!11!one!1 ?

tplink3r1

Azzuria wrote: »

Is it my imagination or all these 'X class now sucks' threads basically about someone who complains about exploits being fixed and how the loss of their 'i win' button will cause ESO to go F2P in, like 6 days!!1!11!one!1 ?

bittin jabs was never an "i win button" or an exploit.

Mends_from_Shadows

ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »

"NB's have a sick magicka regen" That's the funniest thing I have ever heard as a NB myself.

Sorry, I'm not throwing on Cloth gear to go off and heal a group. I wear leather for many reasons.

And for those who do not know, I'll list it:

• Coth - Magicka Regen
• Medium - Crit increase
• Heavy - Damage reduction

And for the other folks who do not understand this game:

ANYONE CAN WEAR CLOTH AND A HEALING STAFF AND HEAL LIKE A GUAR

This game is not Ever Quest, WoW, TERA etc., etc. This is Elder Scrolls Online. You can be/do whatever you want so stop thinking in a Box.

EDIT: I get tired of Templars in my groups because the refuse to learn the class. Seriously start learning how to BLOCK and DODGE-ROLL?

You must have not ever looked at your siphoning tree. NB healers can basically have unlimited mana w/ siphoning attacks.

phaneub17_ESO

Azzuria wrote: »

Is it my imagination or all these 'X class now sucks' threads basically about someone who complains about exploits being fixed and how the loss of their 'i win' button will cause ESO to go F2P in, like 6 days!!1!11!one!1 ?

Think about one of your primary attacks right after using it locks everything else on your action bar from being used for 1.1 seconds; not being able to heal, can't interrupt a power attack, or an enemy heals up right after you use it. Doesn't sound like very long, but when you're fighting 3+ mobs and they're beating on you it really makes you think twice about using it again. Next take that same ability out of your rotation, and you find out you can't kill anything without it especially if the enemy group has a healer.

Blackwidow

I didn't know my templar was useless. I was just having fun playing him today.

Thank for the information.

I guess I'll delete him and make another character.

Bulwyf

Necronomicon wrote: »

Reinmard wrote: »

Oh ***, I always pick up the *** class, the only mmo where I picked up a OP one was at wow where I was a mage since the very beginning.
Any advices for future mmo´s for how know which class avoid?

Its simple,any caster in any mmo is op, so play sorc samething going on here.

^

This right here. I've played every major MMO in the US since Ultima Online first came out and the one universal truth I've learned is that casters get to be OP and melee classes will always be inferior to them.

anakaki

People cry about biting jabs like everything else is fine. The whole class needs a major overhaul.

KracsNZ

anakaki wrote: »

People cry about biting jabs like everything else is fine. The whole class needs a major overhaul.

Yup, Biting Jabs nerf is a pain in the arse, but it was the crutch that was holding us up. It just highlights how mediocre we are.

madangrypally

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moXrox

KracsNZ wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

People cry about biting jabs like everything else is fine. The whole class needs a major overhaul.

Yup, Biting Jabs nerf is a pain in the arse, but it was the crutch that was holding us up. It just highlights how mediocre we are.

...funny when I see Templar pvp videos where some have amazing kill streaks.

Jeremy_gelber_ESO

Thechemicals wrote: »

Vr 8 Templar here using 1h/shield and resto staff. I can tank anything and i can heal anything pve or pvp.

perhaps you should check out some of the dk solo craghorn trial videos.

if you want to see boss tanking try a nb. turn on leeching strikes and you have infinite mag/stam. very easy to cycle pierce/light/suprise/light forever while blocking, pop sap essence and health funnel every now and again just for the heck of it. and thats with half they class skills/passives not working correctly, oh im healing myself that entire time. so the sorcs have more magika to spend nuking. and since i dont care about resource costs i can tank in full medium for the melee crits ( notice my short rotation). and have well overcharged armor and spell resist through jewlery.

for clearing trash just follow the crit surge/pulsar sorcs as they're basically invulnerable.

care to explain what your bringing to the table again?

i want to love my templar. i really do. im a huge fan of healers. but breath of life and practiced incantation are the only things it has going for it. and quite frankly thats not enough.

oh i forgot i have one more thing. i can turn blazing sheild on and pray folks are dumb enough to stand there and hit me.

KracsNZ

moXrox wrote: »

KracsNZ wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

People cry about biting jabs like everything else is fine. The whole class needs a major overhaul.

Yup, Biting Jabs nerf is a pain in the arse, but it was the crutch that was holding us up. It just highlights how mediocre we are.

...funny when I see Templar pvp videos where some have amazing kill streaks.

Funny... you mean the ones prior to the 1.1.2 (i.e. pre-shield bash nerf)? Or the vamp Templar? Or the 1 templar vid to 100 DK vids?

fambaab16_ESO

Wait why does a templar need 1h and shield? Its not a Templar skill. NO class has a weapon preference.

AlexDougherty

Templars are now weaker than they should be, but they are still playable, difficult but playable.

Ruddertail

Do templars not have access to the mages guild or something? Spell Symmetry fixes mana issues.

I mean yeah the class needs buffing but... how do you not have enough mana to heal when the skill for unlimited mana is right there?

KracsNZ

Ruddertail wrote: »

Do templars not have access to the mages guild or something? Spell Symmetry fixes mana issues.

I mean yeah the class needs buffing but... how do you not have enough mana to heal when the skill for unlimited mana is right there?

Probably the fact that they can't self-heal for 4 seconds after it's use? 4 seconds is a long time when multiple mobs are hitting for 2-300+. Yes, referring to melee centric Templars. I'm a ranged healer/mage templar, less my concern at the moment. Spell symmetry already on my bar for my healer/mage, and better use for a kiter.

jquestb16_ESO2

I didn't think BJ was OP at all, whenever I was in dungeons solo, it would take 3 or 4 to kill a group of 3. Many MANY times I would see a Sorc run in and kill 3 in one shot lol running through without even having to asses the situation. BJ is an AOE but pretty much melee range, in light armor you'll still have to sneak up and dodge and heal.

moXrox

KracsNZ wrote: »

moXrox wrote: »

KracsNZ wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

People cry about biting jabs like everything else is fine. The whole class needs a major overhaul.

Yup, Biting Jabs nerf is a pain in the arse, but it was the crutch that was holding us up. It just highlights how mediocre we are.

...funny when I see Templar pvp videos where some have amazing kill streaks.

Funny... you mean the ones prior to the 1.1.2 (i.e. pre-shield bash nerf)? Or the vamp Templar? Or the 1 templar vid to 100 DK vids?

No....a templar with dual wield.