Templar, the now utterly useless class.

Kraun

So, let me rewind a bit... back in beta, we had magicka regen on each cast, people cried, it got nerfed (now we reduction that does absolutely nothing).

"Ok, we're still the only class with a healing tree, i can live with being a heal-bot" ... "LF HEALER CRAGLORN TRIALS, NB!.. I'm like what.. NB's are preferred in healing above Templars... what? ... we'll as it turns out, NB's have a sick magicka regen, even trampling the one we templars used to have in beta, so NB ftw for healing.

"We'll atleast we got cleanse... ***, you can get in from the PVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tree on ALL CLASSES.

By courtesy of the crybabies, the crappiest DPS, crappiest tank and now not even wanted as a healer.

Tell me there's light at the end.. i'm not one to easily quit based on nerfs and being the crappiest of them all, but i'm getting there with ESO templar.

ps. i don't do alts, so no need to mention.

Discuss.

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO

I very much enjoy my templar. I think if you get away from the thinking of having to be the best dps possible, you can have a lot of fun. Min/Maxing for me starts to ruin the fun. If you can participate and clear the content with your guild. Everything else is secondary.

Darrett

It mostly comes down to resource management. Give us the tools to do that; partially revert the Restoring Spirit nerf and give us active stamina regen, so stamina builds can be viable.

TB1234

Up until now the templar class lived with the illusion that it was the best healer. This has proven wrong with the advent of the trials were if you are doing trials for time you only want sorcs/dks (op you are correct that templar is not the best healer but nb isn't near as good as a crit/surge sorc healer). If your just doing a trial for a loot run you can pick up a charity nb or templar.

Kraun

oxygen_boarderb16_ESO wrote: »

I very much enjoy my templar. I think if you get away from the thinking of having to be the best dps possible, you can have a lot of fun. Min/Maxing for me starts to ruin the fun. If you can participate and clear the content with your guild. Everything else is secondary.

I've never said i wanted to be the "best" at anything, but my class should be wanted at something. Atleast in healing, since being the only class with a skill tree for it, should mean something. But alas, everyone can do what my class does better, so why should i not gripe about it?

Natjur

Templar's are still fun and all classes have it easy. UNTIL V1+

Now if your not V1+, then fine, have fun as anyone even with a bad build can solo what ever they want but might need a little help with some 'group' mobs.

At V1+, things change. Mobs hit you harder so you need a good build
At V10+ thing change again, and this is where the templars have their real issues compared to the others classes.

V10+ its all group quests (4 or 12 man) and if the game was balanced right, every class should be wanted just the same. But that is not the case. Templar are not wanted...There DPS build is no where as a good as a DK\Sorc, There tank build, the DK is better, and NB are now better healers and Sorc's even better STILL.

All of this is due to the mana regen skills of the other classes. Templars get no mana regen skills, the others do. (We used too, in beta, but it was taken away and nothing added to replace it)

So if you are a V1+ (or even better V10+) templar and you disagree, please post as I would love to know if you don't feel the templars are the under class

ipkonfigcub18_ESO

"NB's have a sick magicka regen" That's the funniest thing I have ever heard as a NB myself.

Sorry, I'm not throwing on Cloth gear to go off and heal a group. I wear leather for many reasons.

And for those who do not know, I'll list it:

• Coth - Magicka Regen
• Medium - Crit increase
• Heavy - Damage reduction

And for the other folks who do not understand this game:

ANYONE CAN WEAR CLOTH AND A HEALING STAFF AND HEAL LIKE A GUAR

This game is not Ever Quest, WoW, TERA etc., etc. This is Elder Scrolls Online. You can be/do whatever you want so stop thinking in a Box.

EDIT: I get tired of Templars in my groups because the refuse to learn the class. Seriously start learning how to BLOCK and DODGE-ROLL?

Natjur

ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »

ANYONE CAN WEAR CLOTH AND A HEALING STAFF AND HEAL LIKE A GUAR

This game is not Ever Quest, WoW, TERA etc., etc. This is Elder Scrolls Online. You can be/do whatever you want so stop thinking in a Box.

EDIT: I get tired of Templars in my groups because the refuse to learn the class. Seriously start learning how to BLOCK and DODGE-ROLL?

If Any class does not block or dodge-roll out of the way... yes I agrees, they need to learn to play, and maybe the Templar have had it too easy with biting jabs so they never needs to roll as the mobs never hit them back.

And yes any class should be able to do any role, (tank, dps or heal) if they put the right armor on and the right weapon.

But it would be nice if they look at Templars. They have a post about NB and the hard time they have been having and NB are still the under dog (until the next patch which fixes a lot of your skills) But I think Templars (after the biting jabs nerf) needs a little love

Just look at the zone chat in Craglorn "Need 7 more DPS for trails, Sorc and DK only)"

Having four classes but only two classes wanted end game...... something is wrong.

NerfEverything

I don't think you are going to find and VR templars that disagree. There will be plenty of DKs and Sorcs that have never played Templar that will feel the need to disagree because "this one templar in my guild says they are fine".

We are not asking to be the best Healers/DPS/Tanks. We just want to be good enough at something to get groups based on our abilities, instead of a pity spot.

Reinmard

Oh ***, I always pick up the *** class, the only mmo where I picked up a OP one was at wow where I was a mage since the very beginning.
Any advices for future mmo´s for how know which class avoid?

Necronomicon

Reinmard wrote: »

Oh ***, I always pick up the *** class, the only mmo where I picked up a OP one was at wow where I was a mage since the very beginning.
Any advices for future mmo´s for how know which class avoid?

Its simple,any caster in any mmo is op, so play sorc samething going on here.

Kraun

Only way i currently see the templar being somewhat fixed, is to revert Restoring spirit back to the pre-nerf or give us something besides holding down the LMB with the resto staff to manage resources (magicka in this case) and i could see the class gain back some much needed waffle.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

Necronomicon wrote: »

Reinmard wrote: »

Oh ***, I always pick up the *** class, the only mmo where I picked up a OP one was at wow where I was a mage since the very beginning.
Any advices for future mmo´s for how know which class avoid?

Its simple,any caster in any mmo is op, so play sorc samething going on here.

Templar is a caster also.. so

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/103624/nightblade-update-what-about-templars#latest

This is my rage agianst templars.. They are useless.. except maybe for healing..
OH wait !! Sorc is also prolly better for healing ! Great design ZoS

NerfEverything wrote: »

I don't think you are going to find and VR templars that disagree. There will be plenty of DKs and Sorcs that have never played Templar that will feel the need to disagree because "this one templar in my guild says they are fine".

We are not asking to be the best Healers/DPS/Tanks. We just want to be good enough at something to get groups based on our abilities, instead of a pity spot.

THIS!!! Bothers me so much, those templars didnt do endgame AT ALL..

Nox_Aeterna

Necronomicon wrote: »

Reinmard wrote: »

Oh ***, I always pick up the *** class, the only mmo where I picked up a OP one was at wow where I was a mage since the very beginning.
Any advices for future mmo´s for how know which class avoid?

Its simple,any caster in any mmo is op, so play sorc samething going on here.

Actually , any "mage" in any RPG is probably going to be pretty good at least, that is the way it has been since the start.

Since the dawn of even table top RPGs , mages owned.

Noobie

Reinmard wrote: »

Oh ***, I always pick up the *** class, the only mmo where I picked up a OP one was at wow where I was a mage since the very beginning.
Any advices for future mmo´s for how know which class avoid?

Be lucky enough to get a special invite to Beta PTS haha

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

Noobie wrote: »

Reinmard wrote: »

Oh ***, I always pick up the *** class, the only mmo where I picked up a OP one was at wow where I was a mage since the very beginning.
Any advices for future mmo´s for how know which class avoid?

Be lucky enough to get a special invite to Beta PTS haha

I was and they seemed fine, until i became Veteran + on release

VlVEC

You guys are so boring with your builds, get creative and have fun.

Arreyanne

@‌ipkonfigcub18_ESO

Oh you Mean Elder DK/Sorc Staff's Online

You are correct though who needs a melee toon when you have everyone with Restro/Destro staff

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

VlVEC wrote: »

You guys are so boring with your builds, get creative and have fun.

Nice story, in the end ? How ? as we dont get picked for anything ?

Kraun

VlVEC wrote: »

You guys are so boring with your builds, get creative and have fun.

By creative you mean force siphon, like 99% of the sorcs and DKs?

aleister

Check out this post on reddit by the leader of the team that runs the 11 minute trials:

We have a Nightblade Healer that is part of our Friends and Family rank. She was out of town for most of the initial release of Craglorn and we just had the chance to run with her in Trials. She's a healer, and we were totally blown away by her. Nightblade healers seem to be the strongest healers in game, hands down. We've debated re-rolling at least one main Nightblade healer for progression later down the road. Their damage reduction ultimate and their magicka recovery are out of their world.

and

Siphoning Strikes restores magicka for every hit. When healing, you should be cycling light attacks between every cast, and as you get better at this, it will make it incredibly easy to do without wasting literally any time in healing output. This keeps your mana up at all times, which means that when you need to bomb heals, you have access to a full mana bar which you can use in order to spam Combat Prayer or Healing Ward.
In addition, Nightblades can put weapon damage enchants on all of their jewelry which increases healing output for all resto staff abilities. This is the same thing that I do as a Sorc healer. The way that healing works in ESO is that your healing crits are based off of spell crit, and your healing output is based off of weapon damage, so in order to increase healing output, enchant jewelery with weapon damage.
As far as Templar ultimates go, Nightblades have access to Barrier as well as their damage reduction ultimate (the name escapes me at the moment).
In my opinion, Templars are actually weaker than most people realize. For any other class, you can focus on increasing weapon damage for increased output, but Templars don't have that luxury because their class heals are based off of spell power, so they need to choose which type of heals they want to focus on improving.

someuser

I won't disagree or agree with those who say Templars are broken as I'm only lvl 27. Pre-veteran lvl I can say for a fact Templars are a fun class to play in which I can easily solo multiple mobs with little difficulty (my Nightblade is a different story.. still "good" but I got to work harder).

The only thing that has been bothering me is how they nerf'ed bitting jabs. I'm fine with the increase in magika cost, but now there is a VERY annoying cool down everytime I use it. If the cooldown ONLY affected spamming bitting jabs I could care less. But it affects any attack I want to use after. It makes things seem clunky and throws me off.

Lalai

VR 3 Templar here.. while I will agree that Templars need some love, I don't think they're as broken as people make them out to be. It'll all depend on who you're running with. As long as I can get through content without the need to be carried through (meaning I can make above the minimum contribution to dps checks if I'm dps, or I can heal though instances/trials and the group make it through okay) then I'm happy.

So far I haven't ran into any cases where something was too difficult for me to complete, however what I've seen more of is kind of akin to what I use to see in WoW raiding.. where only certain specs are allowed because they're "the best". The spec ends up changing with nerfs/buffs to other specs. That's more a problem with players I think, than with builds necessarily.

All that being said, NBs (damage-wise) and Templars do need a buff of some kind to bring them a little more in line with DKs and Sorcs. The gap is a little large right now.

CosmicChaos

I'm a v4 and I run solo most of the time. My build isn't slaying things in 3 seconds flat. And if I make a mistake I am probably going to lose one of the 40+ soul gems I carry. However since my respect at v2 and over hauling my gear I've been able to handle 3v1 encounters much more reliably. My build is below without going into all the passives.
Action bar - Magnum Arrow/Binding Jav/Degeneration/Reflective Light/Breath of Life and Shatter Soul Ult.
*Reason Having only the CC bow skill allows me to control my pools in extended combat. I went with this morph because it is useful in almost every situation. The other morph is useless against CC immune mobs.
I run 15 points magicka and 34 points Health. Extra dps from magicka is nice, but I think a lot of points in health is the only way to effectively solo Vet content as a Templar.

I've built my toon to do what I want to, it won't be for everyone. As a Mage Archer I love. I'm still further tuning it. Running Warlock and Whitestraker set by the way.

fyrefenix

i dub this game the elder mages!

fyrefenix

mean while when two veteran 4 beetles are too much for a nerfed templar to handle

Celurian

aleister wrote: »

Check out this post on reddit by the leader of the team that runs the 11 minute trials:

We have a Nightblade Healer that is part of our Friends and Family rank. She was out of town for most of the initial release of Craglorn and we just had the chance to run with her in Trials. She's a healer, and we were totally blown away by her. Nightblade healers seem to be the strongest healers in game, hands down. We've debated re-rolling at least one main Nightblade healer for progression later down the road. Their damage reduction ultimate and their magicka recovery are out of their world.

and

Siphoning Strikes restores magicka for every hit. When healing, you should be cycling light attacks between every cast, and as you get better at this, it will make it incredibly easy to do without wasting literally any time in healing output. This keeps your mana up at all times, which means that when you need to bomb heals, you have access to a full mana bar which you can use in order to spam Combat Prayer or Healing Ward.
In addition, Nightblades can put weapon damage enchants on all of their jewelry which increases healing output for all resto staff abilities. This is the same thing that I do as a Sorc healer. The way that healing works in ESO is that your healing crits are based off of spell crit, and your healing output is based off of weapon damage, so in order to increase healing output, enchant jewelery with weapon damage.
As far as Templar ultimates go, Nightblades have access to Barrier as well as their damage reduction ultimate (the name escapes me at the moment).
In my opinion, Templars are actually weaker than most people realize. For any other class, you can focus on increasing weapon damage for increased output, but Templars don't have that luxury because their class heals are based off of spell power, so they need to choose which type of heals they want to focus on improving.

This is so frustrating at this point..........

TB1234

Celurian wrote: »

aleister wrote: »

Check out this post on reddit by the leader of the team that runs the 11 minute trials:

We have a Nightblade Healer that is part of our Friends and Family rank. She was out of town for most of the initial release of Craglorn and we just had the chance to run with her in Trials. She's a healer, and we were totally blown away by her. Nightblade healers seem to be the strongest healers in game, hands down. We've debated re-rolling at least one main Nightblade healer for progression later down the road. Their damage reduction ultimate and their magicka recovery are out of their world.

and

Siphoning Strikes restores magicka for every hit. When healing, you should be cycling light attacks between every cast, and as you get better at this, it will make it incredibly easy to do without wasting literally any time in healing output. This keeps your mana up at all times, which means that when you need to bomb heals, you have access to a full mana bar which you can use in order to spam Combat Prayer or Healing Ward.
In addition, Nightblades can put weapon damage enchants on all of their jewelry which increases healing output for all resto staff abilities. This is the same thing that I do as a Sorc healer. The way that healing works in ESO is that your healing crits are based off of spell crit, and your healing output is based off of weapon damage, so in order to increase healing output, enchant jewelery with weapon damage.
As far as Templar ultimates go, Nightblades have access to Barrier as well as their damage reduction ultimate (the name escapes me at the moment).
In my opinion, Templars are actually weaker than most people realize. For any other class, you can focus on increasing weapon damage for increased output, but Templars don't have that luxury because their class heals are based off of spell power, so they need to choose which type of heals they want to focus on improving.

This is so frustrating at this point..........

Im not sure how much longer I can handle eso. I really want to like it but this just ...

phaneub17_ESO

Did they change how Breath of Life works? It seems slower than pre-patch and takes longer before I get the healing effect after pushing the button. With the way the game handles damage done before healing I'm getting killed when I actually hit an Instant cast healing first before the damaging attack and the damage still gets first dibs.

Now about Puncturing Sweep / Biting Jabs, the problem lies not with it being overpowered its just there isn't any other alternative choices to use in its place that can remotely kill anything. The first line of spells are meant to be your primary damage dealing abilities, but there's nothing else that comes close to the damage done by it to kill veteran++ mobs in a timely manner. I've tried everything else, in combination with Solar Barrage, nothing can kill things quick enough compared to other classes; everything else just takes forever or the mobs heal through it and you're just wasting your time. Don't tell me to use a Destro Staff, I love Sword & Board for my offensive build with Templar skills and a Resto Staff for my Healing Swap. Class Skills are meant to be an alternative to using Weapon skills, all options should have at least some significant use throughout the solo content in the game, such as doing outdoor quests even at veteran ranks. I don't expect equal damage across the board, some things are meant to be more powerful than others. You just need a minimum damage threshold to go through content is all we're asking, when Puncturing Sweep / Biting Jabs is the only option then you have a problem.

Celurian

TB1234 wrote: »

Celurian wrote: »

aleister wrote: »

Check out this post on reddit by the leader of the team that runs the 11 minute trials:

We have a Nightblade Healer that is part of our Friends and Family rank. She was out of town for most of the initial release of Craglorn and we just had the chance to run with her in Trials. She's a healer, and we were totally blown away by her. Nightblade healers seem to be the strongest healers in game, hands down. We've debated re-rolling at least one main Nightblade healer for progression later down the road. Their damage reduction ultimate and their magicka recovery are out of their world.

and

Siphoning Strikes restores magicka for every hit. When healing, you should be cycling light attacks between every cast, and as you get better at this, it will make it incredibly easy to do without wasting literally any time in healing output. This keeps your mana up at all times, which means that when you need to bomb heals, you have access to a full mana bar which you can use in order to spam Combat Prayer or Healing Ward.
In addition, Nightblades can put weapon damage enchants on all of their jewelry which increases healing output for all resto staff abilities. This is the same thing that I do as a Sorc healer. The way that healing works in ESO is that your healing crits are based off of spell crit, and your healing output is based off of weapon damage, so in order to increase healing output, enchant jewelery with weapon damage.
As far as Templar ultimates go, Nightblades have access to Barrier as well as their damage reduction ultimate (the name escapes me at the moment).
In my opinion, Templars are actually weaker than most people realize. For any other class, you can focus on increasing weapon damage for increased output, but Templars don't have that luxury because their class heals are based off of spell power, so they need to choose which type of heals they want to focus on improving.

This is so frustrating at this point..........

Im not sure how much longer I can handle eso. I really want to like it but this just ...

I totally agree.
Atleast ZOS are busy moving threads to a deeper, hard to locate position so may the forum won't sound as negativ as it is.
Well.. i startet twinking one of those 2 OP classes. If they fix the Templar i will go back. If they didnt and go through all the same content again is boring me -wich has been fun the first time but wont a 2nd - then i'm the last one of all the people i know who allready unsubscribed.

Hell.. sometimes i feel like to sub in an application to manage these things by myself, but i'm probably to high payed at this time.

jquestb16_ESO2

The problem is Biting Jabs is on a Global Cooldown, you use it then you can't cast anything for a second or two, can't cast a heal, can't instantly use your ultimate. Mobs don't have any issue tho they'll keep beating on ya.

How would you like to play a melee class where you swing your sword, then pause, get hit a few times then swing your sword again lol.

If they don;t want BJ to be spammed don't make it have a global cooldown on all your skills. That's clearly broken or just plain sucks or bad coding.