Dk/Sorc Only trial groups (no room for temp/nb)

TB1234

Anyone also having issues finding competitive groups for the trials as a templar or nb? As of now the best trial groups are dk/sorc only groups with quick siphon bug/exploit have insane healing without losing dps. Ive been kicked out of two trial groups as a templar so far.

This templar/nb second class citizen stuff has to end. Let me know if anyone else is having issues with this

monkeymystic

Where you got this info from? A raid without Templars is not a solid raid.

Templars have unique key abilities that are needed in 12 mans (and especially 24 mans in the future). I just need to mention dispel, backlash, stamina/magicka regen for group through synergy and so forth.

Templars also make the best healers in the game with 2x healing passives (resto staff + restoring light) and better healing combinations to choose from than any other class.


Templars are extremely underrated.

subecsanur

This has been occurring way before trials, I have seen players get kicked from a group just because he pops in the group as NB or Templar. Or those who join and see the group composed of the gimp classes and just bolt.

From days of just regular public dungeons this has already occurred.

davidetombab16_ESO

agree, I m a crapblade and is very hard finding a grp.

TB1234

the issue is the buged quick siphon which can turn anyone into a templar +++.. Its been in game since launch and not fixed.

On paper you are correct. But with this bug that people are exploiting you do not need templars

Regoras

I basically ditched my NB for a DK for this reason.

monkeymystic

If a Templar joins my group I am happy.
I would never trade a Templar healer out for anything else, never.
They also have group utility that will help lots, which none of the other classes have.

One of the strongest VR 12 players I know, especially in PvP, is actually a Templar.

It is often because of a bad build.
Try this one if your struggle as a Templar: (the build has 4 pages)

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/98656/templar-with-destro-resto-this-is-the-build-with-everything-kills-anyone-in-6-seconds-guaranteed/p1

TB1234

monkeymystic wrote: »

If a Templar joins my group I am happy.
I would never trade a Templar healer out for anything else, never.
They also have group utility that will help lots, which none of the other classes have.

One of the strongest VR 12 players I know, especially in PvP, is actually a Templar.

I agree with you and I thought the same thing until you see a group of dk/sorcs exploiting quick siphon

zinoviy22b14_ESO

I think he's trying to say Templar DPS and Nightblade DPS.. I love seeing NB tanks and templar healers.. I'm leveling a templar healer right now letting my V2 nightblade rest on a back burner.

SeinSchatten

monkeymystic wrote: »

If a Templar joins my group I am happy.
I would never trade a Templar healer out for anything else, never.
They also have group utility that will help lots, which none of the other classes have.

One of the strongest VR 12 players I know, especially in PvP, is actually a Templar.

It is often because of a bad build.
Try this one if your struggle as a Templar: (the build has 4 pages)

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/98656/templar-with-destro-resto-this-is-the-build-with-everything-kills-anyone-in-6-seconds-guaranteed/p1

You don't play Templar? I thought you do, based on your build

WilliamTee

i will admit as a melee-focused NB I feel a little... well, pants, in trials.

Sure, I can take an add to pieces in seconds... But who cares when i have to spend a large portion of boss fights stood on the others side of the room twanging away with my bow... which has skills largely useless against bosses.

DeLindsay

monkeymystic wrote: »

Where you got this info from? A raid without Templars is not a solid raid.

Templars have unique key abilities that are needed in 12 mans (and especially 24 mans in the future). I just need to mention dispel, backlash, stamina/magicka regen for group through synergy and so forth.

Templars also make the best healers in the game with 2x healing passives (resto staff + restoring light) and better healing combinations to choose from than any other class.


Templars are extremely underrated.

Sorcs are the preferred healers in speed trials atm because they are superior to Templars in AOE healing, and since all the DK's are stacked that's all they need. Non-Templars have a dispel also, they just have to talent into it. Magicka regen can be covered by non-Templars also.

Right now the entire game is horribly unbalanced and it seems everyone BUT ZoS realizes that. If ZoS does see it they sure are slow on the take in tweaking classes, they seem rather more focused on bringing out new (and completely full of exploits/bugs) content. I do agree that a raid should have a good balance of all classes, unfortunately until ZoS does something about it this won't happen. Raids will take whatever is the flavor of the moment that gets the job done the fastest, and that's mostly DK's with a few Sorcs and maybe a Token Templar, sorry NB

SirPuppingtonVonHat

How exactly is Quick Siphon bugged/exploitable?

TB1234

DeLindsay wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

Where you got this info from? A raid without Templars is not a solid raid.

Templars have unique key abilities that are needed in 12 mans (and especially 24 mans in the future). I just need to mention dispel, backlash, stamina/magicka regen for group through synergy and so forth.

Templars also make the best healers in the game with 2x healing passives (resto staff + restoring light) and better healing combinations to choose from than any other class.


Templars are extremely underrated.

Sorcs are the preferred healers in speed trials atm because they are superior to Templars in AOE healing, and since all the DK's are stacked that's all they need. Non-Templars have a dispel also, they just have to talent into it. Magicka regen can be covered by non-Templars also.

Right now the entire game is horribly unbalanced and it seems everyone BUT ZoS realizes that. If ZoS does see it they sure are slow on the take in tweaking classes, they seem rather more focused on bringing out new (and completely full of exploits/bugs) content. I do agree that a raid should have a good balance of all classes, unfortunately until ZoS does something about it this won't happen. Raids will take whatever is the flavor of the moment that gets the job done the fastest, and that's mostly DK's with a few Sorcs and maybe a Token Templar, sorry NB

And this is exactly what I have been seeing. Thank you for summing it up so nicely

subecsanur

TB1234 wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

If a Templar joins my group I am happy.
I would never trade a Templar healer out for anything else, never.
They also have group utility that will help lots, which none of the other classes have.

One of the strongest VR 12 players I know, especially in PvP, is actually a Templar.

I agree with you and I thought the same thing until you see a group of dk/sorcs exploiting quick siphon

This has been the pattern now, if all the classes need to go Destro / Resto build to survive and use light armor (yes even for NB's the warlock build seems to work ok. not as op's as sorcs or dk's but still) with endless magicka use obviously there is an issue.

None of those weapons skills are in line and the stamina drain is so messed up, with the lack in return for the amount of stamina used vs those from the magicka line.

NordJitsu

Rememberance Ult, Repentance, and Power of the Light are irreplaceable abilities.

Repentance is a free heal and with the amount of mobs in Craglorn, its a significant one.

Power of The Light is going to increase the groups DPS like crazy.

Rememberance is the best Ultimate in the game for a healer.

hk11

SirPuppingtonVonHat wrote: »

How exactly is Quick Siphon bugged/exploitable?

It's allowing DKs to regen magicka. This must stop!

monkeymystic

NordJitsu wrote: »

Rememberance Ult, Repentance, and Power of the Light are irreplaceable abilities.

Repentance is a free heal and with the amount of mobs in Craglorn, its a significant one.

Power of The Light is going to increase the groups DPS like crazy.

Rememberance is the best Ultimate in the game for a healer.

This.

Templars are fine (except for the biting jabs delay bug).

Nightblades needs tuning/fixing.

Anyone saying Templars are not needed in end game raids/groups don't know what they are talking about. There is no class you will depend more on to survive and get enough group DPS from other than Templars.

DeLindsay

monkeymystic wrote: »

Anyone saying Templars are not needed in end game raids/groups don't know what they are talking about. There is no class you will depend more on to survive and get enough group DPS from other than Templars.

Have you even looked at the leaderboards? Because I'd wager the top guilds who are completing Trials faster than ANYONE else would say Templars are basically useless in ESO raids atm. Now, I did say they are taking a token Templar didn't I, and the leaderboards show that. Unfortunately for the "completely useless" category right now it's NB

TB1234

hk11 wrote: »

SirPuppingtonVonHat wrote: »

How exactly is Quick Siphon bugged/exploitable?

It's allowing DKs to regen magicka. This must stop!

I will not state exactly how it is bugged. I have reported it at least once a week since this game has gone live and it is still not fixed. Lets just say its so broken that healing becomes a non issue

NerfEverything

Sorcs heals are preferred over Templars for competitive trial runs. DKs over NBs obviously. At most, they will take ONE templar healer if the group is shaky. Second templar healer always gets kicked. Templar DPS = lolnope.

NBs have it the worst though. Literally no one wants them.

Grao

TB1234 wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

If a Templar joins my group I am happy.
I would never trade a Templar healer out for anything else, never.
They also have group utility that will help lots, which none of the other classes have.

One of the strongest VR 12 players I know, especially in PvP, is actually a Templar.

I agree with you and I thought the same thing until you see a group of dk/sorcs exploiting quick siphon

Exploiting a bug doesn't make a group competitive or competent.

I will agree nightblades have issues because so many of their abilities are not working. As for Templars... Seriously, it is, without a doubt the best healing class in the game. Not sure why there are complains here from templars...

Unless you are playing something silly, like a DPS main templar... Play as you like doesn't mean exceed as you like, each class has special roles they fit into... If you are choosing a role that is completely disconnected from your class, don't blame people for not wanting you in their competitive groups, blame your self.

Erock25

SirPuppingtonVonHat wrote: »

How exactly is Quick Siphon bugged/exploitable?

It supposedly makes all heals +100% so your resto staff heals for example will be hitting for double. Haven't seen it myself as it definitely does not work with critical surge heals.

TB1234

Erock25 wrote: »

SirPuppingtonVonHat wrote: »

How exactly is Quick Siphon bugged/exploitable?

It supposedly makes all heals +100% so your resto staff heals for example will be hitting for double. Haven't seen it myself as it definitely does not work with critical surge heals.

It is actually far more game breaking then that

NerfEverything

monkeymystic wrote: »

If a Templar joins my group I am happy.
I would never trade a Templar healer out for anything else, never.
They also have group utility that will help lots, which none of the other classes have.

One of the strongest VR 12 players I know, especially in PvP, is actually a Templar.

It is often because of a bad build.
Try this one if your struggle as a Templar: (the build has 4 pages)

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/98656/templar-with-destro-resto-this-is-the-build-with-everything-kills-anyone-in-6-seconds-guaranteed/p1

This post has got to be a joke. That guy has absolutely no idea what he is talking about and it is written like an infomercial. Stop spreading this garbage around.

zgrssd

WilliamTee wrote: »

i will admit as a melee-focused NB I feel a little... well, pants, in trials.

Sure, I can take an add to pieces in seconds... But who cares when i have to spend a large portion of boss fights stood on the others side of the room twanging away with my bow... which has skills largely useless against bosses.

The job of the DPS is to take down important enemies (healers, ranged, other adds) fast, so they stop being a problem (healing the enemies or doing more DPS then the healer can heal).
After the first high priority targets, not taking too much damage, interrupting, ressing downed allies and doing sustained damage is the goal.
Nothing it quite as good at that first part as a Nightblade Shadow DPS.
And it is not like the NB has no Skills that could be used for Ranged DPS. Siphoning strikes for example can be very usefull for DPS that are based around mana/stamina expensive abilties.

ShintaiDK

Same thing I see. Templars and NBs are told to GTFO.

dennissomb16_ESO

The unfortunate part of pugging is to often you end up with a lot of a**hats. Most valuable suggestion I can make is join a guild large enough for trials or build up a decent friends list. Our small guild doesn't do trials yet, but our rank 12 Templar gets instant invites to trials.

Catflinger

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TheBull

Those are bad groups my friend. NB consuming shadows and it's morphs are criticle to any competitive run.

Evergreen

TB1234 wrote: »

Anyone also having issues finding competitive groups for the trials as a templar or nb? As of now the best trial groups are dk/sorc only groups with quick siphon bug/exploit have insane healing without losing dps. Ive been kicked out of two trial groups as a templar so far.

This templar/nb second class citizen stuff has to end. Let me know if anyone else is having issues with this

A few weeks ago there was a meme started about ESO being Dragon Knights Online. With all the semantics and theorycrafting to defend their overpowered skill synergy while keeping down the gimped Nightblade the meme is more of a reality now.

A sorcerer from the PTS server came into a Nightblade thread last week saying he "made a nasty Nightblade" citing the damage upgrade to Shades then we find out that Shades was nerfed not being able to hold aggro like a Sorc pet and the damage increase is barely even noticeable.

We need to get the PTS server and forums opened up the the subscribing public because there has to be some awful feedback about Nightblade and Templar going back to the devs.