ckf12b14_ESO wrote: »
Of course they do. But are these advantages putting anyone directly ahead of anyone else? No, they aren't. All add-ons offer are quality of life advantages, there's no "wow i get bonus stats from this add-on!!".
They may not be advantageous on a competitive level. But they are still advantages and offer you improved tools that increase your ability to navigate the game's systems more effectively.
In terms of stat increases no, they don't put players ahead of others. In terms of being able to navigate the interface or use the game's systems more effectively, they do.
Sorry, but I fail to see how this is a bad thing. This is like arguing for or against adding mustard to a ham sandwich instead of serving it plain. It's pointless. Right now, that mustard is no real threat to the quality of the meal. You like your sammich plain, eat it plain! Don't go begrudging my desire for a more flavorful experience.
ckf12b14_ESO wrote: »
And that's an issue why?
Everyone is in agreement that the interface in ESO is terribad. So why are you trying to punish people or call them cheaters for taking it upon themselves to fix that? It takes ZOS years to fix bugs, let alone UI overhauls, I'm certainly not waiting around for them to fix it.
For every player that uses a third party bot and complains about a bot they have zero right. If all third party programs were illegal to use, bots would be severely less. So don't complain about bots.
Now for those of you who don't use any third party software, you have every right to complain about bots.
A classic example of this could be ffxi. They for like eight years on PC had full screen mode only. So people used a program called windower what made the game in a windowed state. Eventually it added many more features. But in doing so you could be banned if you used it. Many years later the company made its' own windowed option version and third party programs and bots dropped
I rather ESO make the best third party programs standard in game then having to install them. You never know what viruses they can have when updated, or spy software. But you can hold ESO accountable if the virus is caused by their software.
I realize I may be in the minority on this. But I'm not going to change my mind. I don't want this game turning into who ever has the best addons wins as I have seen in other games I've played.
You can't just ignore that it happened for the sake of debate.
The fact remains there has already been at least one add-on that allowed players to cheat. Rather it was Zenimax's fault or not is irrelevant to my argument.
It has already happened and will happen again. It's a legitimate concern and shouldn't be mocked or discounted (I'm not saying you did).
thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »
You mean that they make the UI look and work the way I want? Not sure how that gives me an advantage.
Here are the addons I use:
AdvancedFilters: This just lets me search my inventory for specific item types.
BankManager: I use this to manage my mules so I don't have to search through my bank for an hour distributing items.
BorrowerAndLender: Because that Daggerfall banker needs duct tape on her mouth.
DragonLoot: Because I like to know what I looted without having to open my pack after every fight.
FastReport: Because bots everywhere.
FoundryTacticalCombat: Because I like to see floating numbers and the default status bars are crap.
ItemSaver: Because I don't want to accidentally destroy/vendor an item I'm saving for research.
Lorebooks/Skyshards/TreasureMaps: Because I'm not paying a subscription for a treasure hunt game.
MultiCraft: Because I don't want to hit "R" 500 times when I'm crafting potions.
CraftResearchTimer: Because I don;t want to set alarms on my phone telling me it's time to log in and start a research.
None of these, or any addon for that matter give me an advantage over a player that doesn't use them. Addons take functionality that is already available and puts it where I want it.
Blackwidow wrote: »There should not be a need for addons.
Lazy lazy ZOS.
Also, some addons do blatantly let players cheat.
I would consider addons that improve functionality advantageous Thomas. If they were of no use why would you even want them to being with? So I think we may be getting bogged down in the semantics about what the word advantage means.
Jumper did not provide a feature that someone who didn't have jumper did not have.
Prior to the fix, any player (both those with & without jumper), could open up their guild screen & teleport to themselves.
Jumper's only function was to save you like...10 seconds of time, so that instead of having to press G & then find your name, right click & click "teleport to player", you could just use the addon to do those things. (note, you can still do it to any other player in a guild you are a member of, the fix was that you can't go to yourself anymore.) (note, I never used jumper, as I rarely want to teleport to the closest wayshrine...instead I just teleport to another guild member in the same zone, which usually puts me back in a city with merchants/crafting/etc).
There was nothing that the addon did, that could not be easily done by someone who did not have the addon.
So...no, there has not been an instance of an addon that provided a feature that did not exist in the game for ESO yet.
As to the whole..."ESO dev's are lazy" nonsense.....no, they just have other priorities.
Do I want a search function for the guild store? Yes.
Do I want ZOS to take a programmer off of fixing quest breaking bugs, and have them work on the guild store UI instead? No.
The problem here is, that many of you seem to believe that ZOS has infinite resources & personnel. They don't...they have to prioritize where to spend their time.
UI fixes are important, so are breaking botting programs, fixing bugs, preparing to move the EU servers actually to EU, finishing content that was promised (i.e. dark brotherhood, crime system, thieves guild, housing, etc), and many many other things. ZOS does not have the money or the personnel to have hundreds of programmers working on everything at once (no company does), so they have to prioritize.
You may disagree with their priorities, but claiming that a company is lazy because they put something you care about lower on the priority list than you would prefer is rather self-centered.
thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »
I'm going to assume you are referring to addons such as "recount", "healbot", "deadly boss mods" and "decursive" and others like them from WoW. The thing about those addons is they actually allowed mediocre players to be able to raid with the good players. See we already knew when someone was a bad player, it's not hard to tell, those players didn't get raid invites before those addons.
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thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »
ad·van·tage
noun
1.
a condition or circumstance that puts one in a favorable or superior position.
Using addons in this game does not make the person who uses them better than anyone else. All they do is change aesthetics. The functionality they "add" already exists in game, it just moves that functionality to where the user wants it.
It was mostly the PvP ones I had issues with.
For every player that uses a third party bot and complains about a bot they have zero right. If all third party programs were illegal to use, bots would be severely less. So don't complain about bots.
Now for those of you who don't use any third party software, you have every right to complain about bots.
A classic example of this could be ffxi. They for like eight years on PC had full screen mode only. So people used a program called windower what made the game in a windowed state. Eventually it added many more features. But in doing so you could be banned if you used it. Many years later the company made its' own windowed option version and third party programs and bots dropped
I rather ESO make the best third party programs standard in game then having to install them. You never know what viruses they can have when updated, or spy software. But you can hold ESO accountable if the virus is caused by their software.
And the number 2 definition is this:
2. benefit; gain; profit
Obviously these addons give you some benefit else you wouldn't download them to begin with.
And I never said all addons give players advantages over other players in a competitive sense. I remember pointing that out earlier, but maybe you missed it.