SilverIce58 wrote: »I thought that the agreed-upon theory was that the Dwemer basically became the "skin" of the Numidium.
The3sFinest wrote: »
So speculating is better than story telling and ignorance > knowledge for you? Why even care about the lore at all if it's just "imagination" or hypothesis? You can have quality stories with room for interpretation, you know. Would you really like a lazy "oh they disappeared" explanation over some epic quest chain or discovery process with actual implications and significance?
Sylvermynx wrote: »The3sFinest wrote: »
So speculating is better than story telling and ignorance > knowledge for you? Why even care about the lore at all if it's just "imagination" or hypothesis? You can have quality stories with room for interpretation, you know. Would you really like a lazy "oh they disappeared" explanation over some epic quest chain or discovery process with actual implications and significance?
I would. Because there's a lot else that can be given form in stories and lore, and the dwemer need to remain a mystery.
Sylvermynx wrote: »The3sFinest wrote: »
So speculating is better than story telling and ignorance > knowledge for you? Why even care about the lore at all if it's just "imagination" or hypothesis? You can have quality stories with room for interpretation, you know. Would you really like a lazy "oh they disappeared" explanation over some epic quest chain or discovery process with actual implications and significance?
I would. Because there's a lot else that can be given form in stories and lore, and the dwemer need to remain a mystery.
Why do they need to remain a mystery? Is there an actual valid reason?
In TES3 you could find ash in the places Dwemer where when they disappeared and the last surviving Dwemer told that he was far away, making him uneffected. You also had Dwemer appear as angry ghosts (except for the one in Mournhold you could talk to) which indicates they where all burned to death given that a higher existence would likely not leave any ghosts behind.
The3sFinest wrote: »
So speculating is better than story telling and ignorance > knowledge for you? Why even care about the lore at all if it's just "imagination" or hypothesis? You can have quality stories with room for interpretation, you know. Would you really like a lazy "oh they disappeared" explanation over some epic quest chain or discovery process with actual implications and significance?
ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »The3sFinest wrote: »
So speculating is better than story telling and ignorance > knowledge for you? Why even care about the lore at all if it's just "imagination" or hypothesis? You can have quality stories with room for interpretation, you know. Would you really like a lazy "oh they disappeared" explanation over some epic quest chain or discovery process with actual implications and significance?
The way that the Dwemer's disappearance is used to facilitate the development of other characters who seek out new information about them is hardly lazy in ESO. Revealing every mystery and showing your audience whats behind every door is not always the best story telling device. I personally enjoy the way the Elder Scrolls presents the player with these unsolved conundrums that keep you coming back for more, that encourage you to gather bits and pieces of the lore so that you end up comparing and contrasting them in an attempt to solve the puzzle, exactly like the characters in the game are doing. It is engaging, it makes you crave the knowledge if you have an interest in it- and it can fluster and frustrate you when you don't get more, exactly as it would one of the characters who are trying to research the mysteries of the Dwemer. It's a well crafted experience. Where as blatantly divulging everything and anything about such an ancient secret would spoil the underlying mystery that makes the lore within the Elder Scrolls so intriguing.
There's a rule in writing that many who practice the craft try to follow. "Show, don't tell." If a book tells you everything about a character in a laundry list on page one, do you have a reason to continue reading the book to find out more about the character? No, you don't. Instead, the author leaves aspects of the character a mystery to the reader, so that they are compelled to know more as the story progresses. Sometimes mysteries concerning certain characters are left as mysteries throughout an entire series of books- just look at Tolkien, for example. There are aspects of his stories that fans speculate on even to this day because he crafted mystery into his stories to keep them interesting! They drive the fandom to engage with the story by writing fanfiction, talking to each other, making speculations, and basing their own fantasies on Tolkiens.
Sometimes half-truths, rumors, and mysteries that you only receive a glimpse at are far better at telling a tale than divulging every secret on page one. For this reason, I think the Dwemer should remain in the shadows.
Edit: I just saw Varanis' well crafted reply after I posted mine- I agree wholeheartedly with everything they said.
Cillion3117 wrote: »The mystery is the magic that makes them seem so cool. They are like the lost civilization of Atlantis, but in Nirn.
Sylvermynx wrote: »The3sFinest wrote: »
So speculating is better than story telling and ignorance > knowledge for you? Why even care about the lore at all if it's just "imagination" or hypothesis? You can have quality stories with room for interpretation, you know. Would you really like a lazy "oh they disappeared" explanation over some epic quest chain or discovery process with actual implications and significance?
I would. Because there's a lot else that can be given form in stories and lore, and the dwemer need to remain a mystery.
Why do they need to remain a mystery? Is there an actual valid reason?
Skullstachio wrote: »I sometimes like to think that the dragon god of time (akatosh) sent all the souls of the dwarves in tamriel careening through into an alternative universal timeline in the elder scrolls universe as no doubt the events of red mountain and the attempted manipulation of Lorkhans Heart would no doubt catch the attention of said dragon god, hence a proverbial dragonbreak which would not only keep the dwarves from misusing the heart for their own selfish desires (whatever they may be aside from creating the numidium.) but also keeping all manner of tamrielians from ever discerning the truth.
I also know that, if there is anything that would hold the answers to the dwarves disappearance, it may either be Hermaeus Mora (provided you have knowledge sufficient enough to exchange for such cosmic ululation) or to seek out a particular Elder Scroll which may or may not hold that truth about the dwarves disappearance in high esteem.
VaranisArano is 100% accurate though, some mysteries are best left unanswered until a particular point in ESO’s history where it may end up becoming more significant.
Cillion3117 wrote: »The mystery is the magic that makes them seem so cool. They are like the lost civilization of Atlantis, but in Nirn.
Exactly.
well said.
Too often when we find truth, is far far less then what we imagined.
JJOtterBear wrote: »Cillion3117 wrote: »The mystery is the magic that makes them seem so cool. They are like the lost civilization of Atlantis, but in Nirn.
Exactly.
well said.
Too often when we find truth, is far far less then what we imagined.
the answer is to not have expectations then. expectations will inevitably lead to disappointed. having an unbiased perspective allows to accept and appreciate something for what it is.
Sylvermynx wrote: »Skullstachio wrote: »I sometimes like to think that the dragon god of time (akatosh) sent all the souls of the dwarves in tamriel careening through into an alternative universal timeline in the elder scrolls universe as no doubt the events of red mountain and the attempted manipulation of Lorkhans Heart would no doubt catch the attention of said dragon god, hence a proverbial dragonbreak which would not only keep the dwarves from misusing the heart for their own selfish desires (whatever they may be aside from creating the numidium.) but also keeping all manner of tamrielians from ever discerning the truth.
I also know that, if there is anything that would hold the answers to the dwarves disappearance, it may either be Hermaeus Mora (provided you have knowledge sufficient enough to exchange for such cosmic ululation) or to seek out a particular Elder Scroll which may or may not hold that truth about the dwarves disappearance in high esteem.
VaranisArano is 100% accurate though, some mysteries are best left unanswered until a particular point in ESO’s history where it may end up becoming more significant.
If I could give you a thousand awesomes, I would. Cheers!