Use Path of Darkness - this is obvious!

bg22 wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Hodorius wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Hodorius wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

because two BE costs 750 magicka?

SilverWF wrote: »

And out of mana!

My NB has 1,2k Magicka and 2,1k Stamina.
My Caster has about 2,2k Magicka...
There are Magicka potions...

I don´t think it is that hard to cast these two BE in an emergency with that kind of stats.

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Snipe has a range of 50 and with the many modifications in game can go over 60.

Snipe has a cast time of 3 seconds and a range of exactly 40 ( near a keep it´s 45, if you skilled that passive, I think ).
If you cast it twice and have the right morph the second one has a bigger one...
That would be a casttime of 6 seconds...

Edit: I forgot that in order to start that cast the enemy must be further away then 20m... this ability is nearly useless to hunt a mage.

I understand the the missing cost reduction is a fail but who needs more than two BE to escape?
Even if you were oom after that you can still sprint for four seconds and BE again.

Pls give real reasons...

Guess you forgot that archer isn't going to stand still for you.

You can sprint also... the archer uses stamina to attack and sprint.
I play a NB with bow in PvP and trust me...
If you sprint you are dead!

LOL and you are going to pretend that the NB can't use his class speed mods to close? or vamp mist?

Not to mention the fact that many bow users are also sorc that probably haven't expended any mana because they were using a stam bow

Are you confusing NBs for vampires? Bc I think you are...

To clear that up, NBs aren't vampires, and vampires aren't NBs.

Ones a class, ones a skill-line.

No I am not perhaps you need to take another look at your skill lines. No I will not point them out to you cause I'm not helping you get away from me. Perhaps you need to speak to some other NBs.

Solanum wrote: »

Imagine for a silly second that sorcerers are indeed weaker then Nightblades,
yes.. stop giggling, I know it's a stupid remark, but just try to picture this class to have less affinity with the superior stat that is Magica.

Now, you can have either your out of jail free card, escaping from any fight you're losing. But your class will be as bugged as Nightblades, and just as weak.
Oooooor, you could lose this one trick, but in return receive balance for your class.



Also, in regards to nightblades doing fine in dresses while wielding staves, that's cool. But not everyone wants to play this style.
Some wanted a rogue assassin melee combatant.

It's would be as silly as a sorcerer being forced into fullplate dualwielding axes to remain on par with other classes. Sure some would enjoy their storm warrior, but a big part of the crowd wanted a magic caster and feel like they need to reroll to play what they enjoy.

Hmm so you are suggesting if I give up my BE I can be just as "weak" as a NB and get to hit someone for 50-75% of their life ~1400-2100 dmg. I'll make that trade. Seems we are still waiting for our big hit of that size though. NBs claiming they are weak LOL.....if you are then you are doing it wrong. Don't try playing that card with me. I have seen what good ones can do. Not many get away from them. So anytime you want to pony up and give us that hit in trade then yeah i'll concede to the change. Until then it needs to go back where it was and instead see if the cc change takes care of the stun issue with the one morph of the spell. People whining about a guy getting away is just childish foot stamping about not getting to kill a guy they wanted.

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Wow, that is just horrible. They knew and did it anyways.

By now every player in this game should know that when Zenimax wants to test if the coffee is too hot they just throw it at some guy's face...

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

LOL and you are going to pretend that the NB can't use his class speed mods to close? or vamp mist?

Not to mention the fact that many bow users are also sorc that probably haven't expended any mana because they were using a stam bow

NBS aren't vampires. The high speed "mod" we get is after rolling for 2 seconds or debilitate on a single person which siphons speed.

yeah thats not the one. no i'm not giving you the answer. talk to your friends. good luck but i hope you don't find it lol...need my kills.

Nah I don't do mods. Not that desperate to win.

Not a mod. A buddy NB in guild told me what it was but said he didn't personally use it favor of some other things for his personal style. It is available in your base skill tree. Might a different morph of something you have already.

The guild i'm in use NBs a lot and I haven't heard of it. Beyond path of darkness and haste it would be a glitch.

I don't use Be unless its Pvp but just for the sake of it i tried it, Its not that bad really they have just made it so if you plan on using it alot then you don't have any spare magicka to fight afterwards.

I don't have a big problem with be. Dks seem to be dodging the bullet for some reason.

Kingslayer wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

Natjur wrote: »

The part missing from the patch notes is "the second cast has 50% cost and no mana cost reduction skills applied."

Since the base cost at your level is 350, 350 + 50% = 425

The second casting cost can not be reduced.

When they nerf something, they go BIG! For reference, see the Biting Jabs stealth nerf. Took 'em almost two weeks to fix that one, so you still have a while to wait. If they fix it. I'm sure they'll fix it, you have nothing to worry about!

And, oh boy! They do like to parse them some words in those patch notes! They are masters of word play! Sometimes I wonder if they posted it in Mandarin Chinese if it wouldn't be more clear and concise.

Mmmmm peking duck

I prefer Mandarin Chicken. Tasty!

kunquatb16_ESO wrote: »

So, now we have a skill, that effectively has a cooldown of 4 seconds?

I joined ESO thinking, "nice, no cooldowns, unlike WoW". If their doing this to one skill, why not all, why not add a 78% cost increase if their used within 4 seconds, what argument is there against doing that, that doesn't also include not doing it to BE?

And why don't cost reducing skills item count? Is the second cast no longer a magicka skill? (in which case, why does it use magicka?) or do these skills now only reduce the first cast within any given 4 second window? are any of these caveats mentioned in their tooltips?

This seems a ill thought out, badly implemented, unfair departure from the spirit of Elder scrolls game design.

I made this same suggestion earlier in either this thread or the other BE one and someone responded telling me how stupid of an idea they thought it was lol. I agree with you though. We all know various classes spam the heck out of several abilities is a problem and it would solve it. BE doesn't kill anyone the other abilities do and they've done nothing but god forbid someone gets away. Somehow in their eyes that is a bigger problem? In what world? The thinking in ESO management doesn't make sense.

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Hodorius wrote: »

BE = 15 m
Any ranged ability ( exept Snipe ) < 30m ( usually 28m)

If you cast BE twice you are out of range...

What is the problem?
Honestly... I do not understand why this nerf is so bad?

Snipe has a range of 50 and with the many modifications in game can go over 60. So you need at least 5 to get out of range if they have moved even a little towards you and that expends a full power bar. So if you have fought at all expending power you are dead period. They will catch you defeating the purpose of Bolt ESCAPE. I didn't see one sorc escape all night. We killed every one of them. This was their only defense.

Snipe ? -.- nobody use that *** ability because it's cast time is redicilous. At the end of cast time you may use bolts 3 times and no, just 1 bolt is nuff to get out of range.

In case you guys didnt figure it out yet, the cost increase for using bolt escape repeatedly is working exactly as stated in the tooltip.

Here's how it works :

I'll take my character as an example:

First BE costs 209, next ones 388.

388/209=1.86

It may look like a 86% increase at first but that's not how cost-reduction/increase works.

Reductions for my character:
-Sorcerer perks : 15%
-Breton perk : 3%
-Clothes : 21%
-Seducer set : 3%
-Jewels : 2 rings with 16

21+15+3+3=42% reduction (which leaves 58%)

Jewel glyphs apply a flat reduction (not a percentage) to the base magicka cost.

The cost of BE is :
([Base Cost]-32)*0.58=209

The base cost only depends on your level (or rather your base max magicka)
[Base cost]=209/0.58+32=392

The tooltip states that the cost is increased by 50%, which means that my cost reduction goes from -42% to +8%.

The new cost is:
(392-32)*1.08=389

There seems to be a minor rounding problem (388 instead of 389) but nothing far off.

LOL SHE SNIPED ME

IMO Bolt Escape should cost 100% of your magicka so consider yourself lucky :disagree:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

The changes we recently made to Bolt Escape were intended, and the ability is not bugged. Here is a brief explanation of the Bolt Escape cost increase:

All bonuses in our game are additive (not multiplicative). After using Bolt Escape, if you cast it again within 4 seconds of the last time you cast Bolt Escape, the next use costs 50% more Magicka. Any bonuses you have that grant a reduction to Magicka cost--such as Evocation--also reduce the 50% increase to Bolt Escape.

If that is what is intended, it seems this ability is currently bugged right now.

I understand that base cost of BE for lv 50+ is 390 or so.

After reductions, my stated magicka cost for BE is 251.
However, when I tried to cast BE the second time, the cost became 446 (measuring by magicka lost) which is equal to 251+195 = 251+(390*0.5).

Therefore, it seems that the 50% part is not reduced. Can you confirm with the dev team whether they implemented this part correctly or not?

Thanks!