indytims_ESO wrote: »

I sure hope folks are speaking for themselves.

The first (almost) two months of launch have provided enormous fun for my wife and I. We're loving this game more than 90% of the other MMO's we've played.

To each their own, and all that. But calling this game 'abysmal' to me just says that you had different expectations that either weren't anywhere near reality - or were completely and utterly unreasonable.

In the end - speak with your wallet - not by spamming your hate on a forum where no one really cares what you think.

That last remark was rather ironic. wouldn't you say? No one cares what you think, yet you bothered to post it anyway.

The problems in the game are very real, not the product of someone's expectations. Well maybe not. I imagine that many had expectations of playing a game that didn't hard crash a dozen times a night, or get you stuck in endless loading screens, or have random mini rollbacks that remove your progress or even prevent you from progressing at all...and so on. Some people can't even log into the game. I imagine that some people had expectations that they would be able to.

I have no idea if you are denying problems to make your point, or if you have just not participated in enough of the various aspects of the game to see the majority of them. Either way, the problems do, in fact, exist. I don't share the doom and gloom view that some others may have, but I certainly acknowledge that there are some major issues that need to be resolved.

This thread makes my head hurt bad.

1. WoW is still plagued with hackers, botters, dupe bugs, wall hacks, path hacking, clipping, etc. Visit ownedcore.

2. ESO has been out of beta for less than 6 months and WoW has been up and running over 10 years. If you expect ESO to have less bugs than WoW, you're insane. It does not run on the same game engine, shares no code on the client or the server side, or anything else with WoW.

3. Early WoW game play experience was full of crashes, unplayable builds, specs that were literally only useful for one situation on one boss, missing items, quests that led to nowhere, uncompletable quests, unkillable raid bosses, missing content, "Falling through the world" bugs, 4 hour login queues, world server crashes, etc. Ask anyone who actually played and quit thinking that WoW was perfect when it launched.

4. The reason WoW is so popular is that it is ridiculously easy. Death almost never occurs outside of raids/instanced content, and levelling a character from 1 to 90 can be done in 2 days with heirloom gear. The only difficult content left in WoW is high bracket Arena PvP, rated Battlegrounds, and Normal/Heroic raids. Everything else is faceroll. Because it is so easy, you can obtain significant progress in only 30 minutes to 2 hours a week, something that is difficult on other games.

5. Most people who populated WoW were those who felt EQ was too grindy and too hard (they may have been right, too.)

6. ESO is the closest MMO I have seen that "feels" like vanilla WoW did at launch. I'm sure that, much like WoW, within a couple years it will feature the same easy-mode addons that WoW does, telling you what skills to use where, etc. and also much like WoW it will probably end up featuring "stock" cookie-cutter builds for a given class/spec after awhile.

7. At its current difficulty level ESO is too challenging for many modern WoW players, who have gotten used to never dying, while flying at 380% speed direct from objective to objective, and who rely very heavily on addons to have even basic competence. Most of them run the exact same builds for a given spec, all of which are simmed to death online so that if you meet one Holy Paladin, odds are he will be built and statted EXACTLY like any other Holy Paladin at that gear level. ESO doesn't really hold your hand, yet, and you actually die.

8. ESO was not designed to "kill" WoW. WoW is doing a good job killing itself since about 2008 or so, and the new expansion is likely going to cause another huge plummet in subs as the game is being highly simplified and many popular features are being removed, while things such as the option to purchase a max level toon for real cash have been added to the store.

9. ESO needs to address the root issue of bots: killing the accounts they're getting. This means that ESO is going to have to get very serious about character creation and account creation. I think the game should require an authenticator, WOW-style, and also that proof of identity should be firmly established before allowing anyone to create an account. Further checks could be put in that monitor, say, the number of resource nodes a given toon has accessed within the last X minutes, and if it exceeds a threshold, that toon is automatically banned pending appeal. Unfortunately, I fear that ESO did not design good security into the game client, allowing way too much stuff to be modified by the end user without any way of detecting it server-side.

10. The lack of the ability to create Skooma is a travesty. I simply cannot, in good conscience, consider this a true Elder Scrolls game due to this glaring oversight. In order to remain competitive, ESO needs to introduce Skooma ASAP, preferably within the next hotfix patch.

Have fun.

This is something I have never understood. Many people keep claiming that there was all this hype and grandiose claims that ESO was going to kill WOW when in actuality there was not. I was on the forums before the game launched and those that asked if ESO was going to "shut WOW down" were simply told,

fougerec99b16_ESO wrote: »

Nothing will "kill WOW" unless Blizzard themselves pulls the plug. It's simply too ensconced in the public conscious. Even if they lost 1/2 their subs that would still be millions left playing and nothing will touch that. Not ESO, not Wildstar, not Everquest Next. WoW hit at a time when nothing else came close and has instilled a sort of brand loyalty that permeates to this day.

Instead of looking for the next "WoW", instead look for a game you enjoy playing and support it as best you can. For me, that's ESO. For others it may be something else.

or something similar. Now this leads me to believe that anyone who claims that all the "crazy hype" for the game was misplaced is either jumping on the bandwagon of ESO hate while making false accusations, or they are just misinformed.

indytims_ESO wrote: »

I sure hope folks are speaking for themselves.

The first (almost) two months of launch have provided enormous fun for my wife and I. We're loving this game more than 90% of the other MMO's we've played.

To each their own, and all that. But calling this game 'abysmal' to me just says that you had different expectations that either weren't anywhere near reality - or were completely and utterly unreasonable.

In the end - speak with your wallet - not by spamming your hate on a forum where no one really cares what you think. Move along. Continue your search for the Holy Grail of MMO's, and best of luck to you!

Goes two ways...if no one cares about what is written in the forums...no one cares what you write... hopefully you can see the fault in your own argument.

In any case..you responded angrily to a post...why did you if you do not care? You have fun...good on you and congratulations...others do not seem to have as much fun as you and you wife. I sincerely hope you will enjoy this game for a long time to come.

Have a nice day.

Here's the problem: gamers have gained the need for instant gratification. WoW had a terrible start, indeed, if it had the start it did in todays world, it'd be ripped apart and tossed aside. However, it didn't, and gamers were willing to wait for it to balance out. New MMO's have to struggle against a well established game, and do what took WoW years in a month or two or get crucified.

Shiny trailers and pre sale bonuses are worth more to gamers than a solid game for the most part ( Look at CoD, BF4, ME3,etc). MMOs, however, are viewed in a different light. They cannot have major bugs, major imbalances, lag time, down time and they need to have years worth of content a few months into the game. This is hardly realistic, but it's the fact of the matter. WoW has become too well established for there to be anything less.

Being patient with an MMO is the only way to make it thrive. However, there is one MAJOR area Zenimax has dropped the ball. Communication. I realize it can be hard to find time to read the posts and respond, but it brings faith to the community. Not every thread needs an answer, and not every answer needs to be what the community wants. Customer service had been abysmal at launch, it may still be, I've been blessed and have not needed it since the physical copy debacle, so I can't say. But staying silent for 90% of the forum posts (or the one sentence reminders to stay on topic or remain civil) allows people to become discouraged, because no one wants this game to succeed more than the players, and if we aren't shown we're cared about, then we will move on, lamenting what could have been. It's amazing what communication (or lack thereof) can do. We are social animals after all (and really, MMOs are all about interaction with others)

I am enjoying it, but I'm getting pretty bored already. Not good for less than a month of play.

People hate on WoW, but outside of EQ and DAoC, its the only game people play for more than a couple of months. There must be a reason.

The reason people play wow is becuase its now a go to for people that dont know anything better to do. If your bored then quit or change tactics, maybe . I agree there are bugs, i have played EQ 1/2 DAoC WoW Rift DCUO several others, all of which were bugged and with spammers and with exploiters and all with haters/fans. I am a huge fan of ElderScrolls games and enjoy this version a lot. Those that i see in game are not upset, save for the few kids that have rage quit over zone chat, which was funny as they were in the first zone of the game and didnt have the metal to keep trying.

My wife doesnt play games but i wish she did so we could enjoy this together.

Love the game. Looking forward seeing the evolution of how it will change and update

Will never be a "WoW-Killer", idc if you spend 10 billion dollars on a mmo, still wont work.

Incorrect. Shareholders are not stock holders, and zos has shareholders.