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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
Teso is NOT for warriors?
Hi,
Since my first MMO I have liked a lot play as warrior. Is the only role that I really enjoy and because this I am very disapointed with TESO at this moment.
All I can see right now in PvP is people wearing light armor and Staff. It seems to be the most effective style to play and warriors are close to be useles.
Stamina skills are pretty ineffective and heavy armor is garbage. I play as templar/dk and is very sad to see magicka based builds (light armor) are far better than stamina based builds (heavy/medium armor) on all roles (DD, Tank, Support). I am forced to wear light armor to be effective in PvP.
For me, TESO is not for warriors.
Since my first MMO I have liked a lot play as warrior. Is the only role that I really enjoy and because this I am very disapointed with TESO at this moment.
All I can see right now in PvP is people wearing light armor and Staff. It seems to be the most effective style to play and warriors are close to be useles.
Stamina skills are pretty ineffective and heavy armor is garbage. I play as templar/dk and is very sad to see magicka based builds (light armor) are far better than stamina based builds (heavy/medium armor) on all roles (DD, Tank, Support). I am forced to wear light armor to be effective in PvP.
For me, TESO is not for warriors.
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YstradClud✭✭✭✭Meh I think you could make any class work in this pvp system. It's all about team work. I'm a Templar and think we are fine. I stack magicka though.0 -
Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »Hi,
Since my first MMO I have liked a lot play as warrior. Is the only role that I really enjoy and because this I am very disapointed with TESO at this moment.
All I can see right now in PvP is people wearing light armor and Staff. It seems to be the most effective style to play and warriors are close to be useles.
Stamina skills are pretty ineffective and heavy armor is garbage. I play as templar/dk and is very sad to see magicka based builds (light armor) are far better than stamina based builds (heavy/medium armor) on all roles (DD, Tank, Support). I am forced to wear light armor to be effective in PvP.
For me, TESO is not for warriors.
While this may be currently true why not simply learn to get good at an "under powered" style until it get buffed.
MMO's are about constant balance and the current push right now is to get a majority of the skills working and in line in their respective class/skill lines before they do any actual big balance changes.
Templar/DragonKnight are 2 of the best classes currently to attempt melee. The thing to remember about melee is survivability is gonna be more important than actual overall damage or you ARE going to find yourself dead more often than not.
Heavy Armor increases your healing received and reduces stamina required for blocking. Templar is one of the best classes for Stamina based build as Restoring Aura increases your HP and Stamina regen as well as others near you.
I cant see Melee Weapons staying as under powered as they are much longer + I have heard that VR10+ Melee actually starts to pull ahead of class skills as they scale better in VR.1 -
demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Meh I think you could make any class work in this pvp system. It's all about team work. I'm a Templar and think we are fine. I stack magicka though.
Any class can work is accurate, but WARRIOR is not a class in this game, but a build than any class can do. It is not viable
Any class can use light armor and destruction staff, and focus on ranged combat and aoe combat. some classes have to resort to the destruction staff to get that aoe while others have it built into their own class skills. That is what wins alliance war.
And of course zergs.1 -
YstradClud✭✭✭✭demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »Any class can work is accurate, but WARRIOR is not a class in this game, but a build than any class can do. It is not viable.
So you think melee isn't viable?
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Eylith✭✭✭I play DK/heavy armor/Bow&OnehandShield, and I'm having a lot of fun."Discuter avec un troll, c’est comme essayer de jouer aux échecs avec un pigeon. Tu as beau être très fort aux échecs, il arrive, renverse les pièces, chie sur l’échiquier et s’en va avec l’air supérieur comme s’il avait gagné." - Anonyme0 -
YstradClud✭✭✭✭I've only just started pvp and still in my pve set and every mage that's 1v1 has died quite easily. I only play melee.Edited by YstradClud on 26 May 2014 12:360
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Khyras✭✭✭Stamina is used to run,block,dodge and for stamina based skills.Magicka is used for magicka based skills only.It is completely idiotic system that makes medium and heavy armor as well as melee playstyle far less popular and which favors magicka/staff users.
To solve it,they should put running,blocking and dodging on a separate resource common for all classes.5 -
SBR_QuorTek✭✭✭All player classes uses magicka.... the sidestep is stamina or more magicka depending on route....
Dunno I play as a nightblade, medium armor in pvp/pve and well using both stam/mag stuff all the time based in my class.1 -
Censorious✭✭✭✭There are no warriors in this game.
Same reason there are no quarterbacks in baseball.'Clever' sigs get old real fast - just like this one.1 -
wafcatb14_ESO✭✭✭yep game is basicly Elder Scrolls Mages online .
Every class has to only equip 1 way to faceroll content , light armor and use Restro staff on bar 1 , and Dest staff on Bar 2 . lol /yawn exciting6 -
demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »Any class can work is accurate, but WARRIOR is not a class in this game, but a build than any class can do. It is not viable.
So you think melee isn't viable?
I think melee isn't viable. Light armor + Staff always will do better by far in all situations.I play DK/heavy armor/Bow&OnehandShield, and I'm having a lot of fun.
I am happy for you. I think you wont have fun when a light armored guy crush you. He will tank better than you, he will make damage better than you, he will heal better than you.....I've only just started pvp and still in my pve set and every mage that's 1v1 has died quite easily. I only play melee.
Believe me, I thought like you before. Then I started to find people who know what are doing and I had to reroll, Now I'm wearing light armor. I play PvP every day since beta.wafcatb14_ESO wrote: »yep game is basicly Elder Scrolls Mages online .
Every class has to only equip 1 way to faceroll content , light armor and use Restro staff on bar 1 , and Dest staff on Bar 2 . lol /yawn exciting
Yes, this is the real "issue" right now. Too much people wearing light armor + resto staff + destruction staff. They are clones and nobody have a chance against them, maybe a good NightBlade if he could start the combat.Censorious wrote: »There are no warriors in this game.
Same reason there are no quarterbacks in baseball.
What???Edited by arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO on 26 May 2014 15:30Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
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YstradClud✭✭✭✭Eh well I don't like being told how to play so if my play style isn't viable I'll be taking my leave.2
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Eh well I don't like being told how to play so if my play style isn't viable I'll be taking my leave.
Agreed.
Zenimax told us "play as you want" but the true is "play as mage". We are many people that like to play as warriors (Heavy armor + melee weapon) in MMOs, Zenimax should fix this as soon as possible (after the fix the Europe Megaserver Lag xD).
Edited by arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO on 26 May 2014 15:38Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
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krapmyself✭✭✭It's a problem with the light armor and staff balancing. There's a guy who is a Dk and is soloing craglorn content with light armor destro/resto staff
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/103435/dk-solos-craglorn#latestEdited by krapmyself on 27 May 2014 00:360 -
Gwarok✭✭✭There's definitely arguments with to what I am about to suggest @arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO heavy armor is effective but with it try to (here's the suggestion) go with it w/ light hands and waist only, rest heavy and max out your passive points in both heavy and light armor classes. Don't ask me how it works but it does in a MIN/MAX sort of way.Edited by Gwarok on 27 May 2014 00:49"Strive for balance of all things. When the scales tip to one side or the other, someone or somethings gets short-changed. When someone gets short-changed, unpredictability and strife unbalance the world around us...To achieve freedom from greed, from want, and from strife, all parties in any exchange MUST find balance." -House Hlaalu's Philosophy of Trade
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Eylith✭✭✭I am happy for you. I think you wont have fun when a light armored guy crush you. He will tank better than you, he will make damage better than you, he will heal better than you.....
These are just assumptions. The winner of a fight is decided by a lot of thing, and "what type of armor are you wearing" is a little part of it, so even if you're right, it doesn't mean I'll loose. I fight mages every day, sometimes I loose, sometimes I win
Maybe you're right, and people with destru/heal staffs are more efficient, but I still have a kill/death ratio at 2:1, so it's enought for me
"Discuter avec un troll, c’est comme essayer de jouer aux échecs avec un pigeon. Tu as beau être très fort aux échecs, il arrive, renverse les pièces, chie sur l’échiquier et s’en va avec l’air supérieur comme s’il avait gagné." - Anonyme0 -
I am happy for you. I think you wont have fun when a light armored guy crush you. He will tank better than you, he will make damage better than you, he will heal better than you.....
These are just assumptions. The winner of a fight is decided by a lot of thing, and "what type of armor are you wearing" is a little part of it, so even if you're right, it doesn't mean I'll loose. I fight mages every day, sometimes I loose, sometimes I win Maybe you're right, and people with destru/heal staffs are more efficient, but I still have a kill/death ratio at 2:1, so it's enought for me
Of course these are assumptions, but the true is that light armor is far better. Maybe Heavy armor isn't the problem, because light armor is simply too good. -21% spell cost is the best passive skill in the game, plus +42% spell resist penetration make light armor the best choice when you want to do PvP effectively.
I heard Zenimax is aware about this, but I think buff heavy armor to gain ultimate quickly will not be enough (I like the idea but we need more).Edited by arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO on 27 May 2014 08:12Debon Templar VR14 Thorn Blade (EU)
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Eylith✭✭✭It could be interesting to see the kill/death ratio of people wearing light armor, in order to see if they really are over powered.Edited by Eylith on 27 May 2014 08:54"Discuter avec un troll, c’est comme essayer de jouer aux échecs avec un pigeon. Tu as beau être très fort aux échecs, il arrive, renverse les pièces, chie sur l’échiquier et s’en va avec l’air supérieur comme s’il avait gagné." - Anonyme0
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I could be interesting to see the kill/death ratio of people wearing light armor, in order to see if they really are over powered.
Yep, I only can say my K/D ratio has been increase a lot since I am wearing light armor.
The problem is I hate how my character looks right now. I bought the Imperial Edition because I really like how looks Imperial heavy Armor and now I can't use it :-s.
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Dudis✭✭✭I suppose it depends on your playstyle. For soloing or smallmanning, Destro staff definitively doesn't feel OP to me. (1h/2h and bow templar, medium armor).
Heavy armor passives do need some buffs though i think.0 -
Thechemicals✭✭✭✭✭Some of you need to learn that what you like to do in the game has nothing to do with what needs to be done to win in the game.Vr14 Templar since release- dual resto
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✭✭Heavy Armor is lack luster, yes. Its okay if you're using sword and shield, because of the block cost reduction. Not good for much else.
Medium Armor isn't. Its boss.
If you spec for Stamina and medium armor, you can make an effective melee warrior. Do you still need some magicka? Yes. Self healing is something that can't be achieved without magicka in some way. A lot of the best skills are class skills, requiring magicka.
But its absolutely untrue to say you need Light Armor and a staff.
Meta evolves. Right now people have found powerful specs using light armor and staves, but that's just the flavor of the month. Stick around and things will change.
PS.
They've said they'll buff heavy armor, maybe by giving it greater ultimate reduction or generation.0 -
Eylith✭✭✭I'm not sure I want an ultimate reduction or something related... People will QQ after (I'm DK) and my ult will be nerf again..."Discuter avec un troll, c’est comme essayer de jouer aux échecs avec un pigeon. Tu as beau être très fort aux échecs, il arrive, renverse les pièces, chie sur l’échiquier et s’en va avec l’air supérieur comme s’il avait gagné." - Anonyme1
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Kingslayer✭✭✭Destro/rez staff is not OP in solo play or small group really. The spells suck, Its in big group play where pulsar/Ring really packs a whallop.1
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smercgames_ESO✭✭✭Oh god I hope they do NOT add ult reduction. We have had enough problems with Ults being spammable. Giving ult reduction would just cause more banners and bat swarms to come flying around again and we will be back to a few weeks ago.0 -
They just need to buff stamina based skills, so that armor is on par with spell resist.
While most used skills get mitigated by spell resist, there is no need to wear heavy armor.3 -
dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO wrote: »They just need to buff stamina based skills, so that armor is on par with spell resist.
While most used skills get mitigated by spell resist, there is no need to wear heavy armor.
Agreed. Maybe this would be the best solution.
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Kypho✭✭✭✭It could be interesting to see the kill/death ratio of people wearing light armor, in order to see if they really are over powered.
LoL full of BS thread0