inb4- "DK's are fine"

babanovac · May 2014

@Attorneyatlawl yeah, i'm pretty sure banner damage generates ultimates.

This should really not be the case. Even more, imho you should not generate ultis from ANY skills while you have an ultimate skill active - and this would be one fix that would not break our class, unlike all the other suggestions of the forum baddies out there.

TheBull · May 2014

babanovac wrote: »

@Attorneyatlawl yeah, i'm pretty sure banner damage generates ultimates.

This should really not be the case. Even more, imho you should not generate ultis from ANY skills while you have an ultimate skill active - and this would be one fix that would not break our class, unlike all the other suggestions of the forum baddies out there.

Agreed, this needs to be fixed.

EnOeZ · May 2014

Bipolo wrote: »

So yeah, i made a little DK troll-film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRXkASFc7NM&feature=share&list=PLwUIfedcBjIrKMqZMD-X84wGtK9yL9OSr&index=2

Bipolo, rdv when balance is fixed !

So surprised you are pro talons nerf since you abused it against this (early) morning against us (DC)...

Nerf Talons and I am a DK too...

& make something about melee DK (Dw & 2H) stamina based ! Compared to magicka builds, those are really ***.

And I want to play melee !

You said "play the way you want", ZOS you are not delivering at the moment... for competitive players.

Cody · May 2014

i think you should have stayed OUT of the banner. If an enemy uses an ability like that, DODGE. HOWEVER, no matter what level, or how you all played, 1 guy should not be able to kill 10 people. that i heavily agree with.

Cody · May 2014

and all you people telling him to "learn to play" you can offer actual advise ya know, instead of being jerks.:)

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO · May 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

and all you people telling him to "learn to play" you can offer actual advise ya know, instead of being jerks.:)

"I stand in standard why do I die?"

Not only is standard of might immobile ( the morph for mobility doesn't do the same damage and DMG reduction. ) If 10 players don't have common sense to just get out of it there is literally 0 reason for 1 player trap 10 players in a standard unless the 10 players are incredibly... bad?

TheBull · May 2014

He who has the most banners goes where he wants too. Move out of their way.

Bipolo · May 2014

EnOeZ wrote: »

Bipolo wrote: »

So yeah, i made a little DK troll-film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRXkASFc7NM&feature=share&list=PLwUIfedcBjIrKMqZMD-X84wGtK9yL9OSr&index=2

Bipolo, rdv when balance is fixed !

So surprised you are pro talons nerf since you abused it against this (early) morning against us (DC)...

Don't be to surprised man

Sadly I didn't feel bad spamming some Talons, enjoying my Deep Breath before fix and dropping a few Standard's when i'm fighting the Smurf Morning Zerg using Caltrops to crown Emp, sorry

If you think about it, do you see me QQ'ing much? Im sure you know many of your fellow DC are "abusers" to? ^^

I'm no more immune to Talons then next guy, yet i roll and bunny jump to provoke more Talon spam... and when i'm finally out of stamina, well, I usually get Bashed to death and have a good laugh.

Classy DC

Tintinabula · May 2014

Its a sad thing when I (as a DK) drop my banner hoping everyone comes to touch it and I look around only to see the full group standing on the outside of the ring looking at me like Im dumb.You were quite nice though to stay in the ring.:D Tell your friends..pass it on.

Attorneyatlawl · May 2014

Bipolo wrote: »

Just to be fair...

I have seen Sorc builds that clearly challenge any DK
I have seen Templar builds that could out heal and out last any DK
I have even seen NB's having no trouble controlling the whole fight and taking down a DK

and last
but not least
I have seen DK's wait for the right moment, yell surprise and wipe groups...

You know what they all have in common?
The people playing these characters are not average, they are some of the top PvPers in-game...

The time has come to face the reality of every game: there will always be someone better then you and me. They might have more time to play, they might know something we don't, etc

I'm not commenting here to defend Talon spam as you see in the video i posted above or Bash-pro's. I'm a big supporter of them adding Soft CC immunity, reducing damage on Bashing - NOT QQ'ing so much that they start swinging the nerf bat around.

Balance good > Nerf bad

/fireInTheHole

Quoted for truth, about five million times.

And for the record I do support a soft-cc immunity if you use a roll such as a 2-3 second root immunity. I won't directly reply to the embarassingly ill-informed and glib replies of "well with testers like you, no wonder the game's a mess" as they are both completely absurd and misinformed, but this sort of concept (soft-cc immunity) is hardly new discussion for the forums, is what I will say. You guys aren't miracle-workers coming up with anything new that wasn't already suggested many months ago

and to be acting like testers had control of gameplay is a baffling fabrication that shows complete ignorance of how a beta test works.

Attorneyatlawl · May 2014

popatiberiuoneb18_ESO wrote: »

Hmm...not sure when you tested this but yestaday ultimates were stil building ultimate points...There should be NO ULTIMATE GAIN from skills/ultimates while you are affected by your own banner, you already get to many benefits from simply sitting in it, this would prevent people from abusing it in PvE (if anyone cares about that) and from abusing it in Cyrodiil by dropping multiple banners in a small timeframe, all while sitting there tanking 10+ people.

Tested today, dropped my banner, no ultimate continued to generate from banner damage on its own on zombies. This also has been mentioned in the patch notes as having been changed. If you have found a replicable test situation in which banner damage itself is generating ultimate, then you should bug report it. It sounds to me like you are confusing dropping a banner and then using normal abilities to generate ultimate, which they always do regardless of if a banner is present or not.

If you're talking about nerfing ult regen while any ult is active that's a big can of worms considering many are instant effects and don't have a duration on some classes and skill lines. Do you have a better suggestion than just complaining about people standing in the fire rather than countering it with a negate magic or similar?

Zafu · May 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

I played a LOT of MMOs , NEVER i saw such completely broken crap right out of the game start like this.

Mate that 1.1 better bring the greatest balance miracle ever seen in a MMO.

Yep. Been playing since 97; when UO released and can't understand how this DragonKnight class made it out of the test server in this state, let alone continues in the same manner. It's not even a discussion as it's so obviously messed up and OP.

This actually reminds me of something I think another game does on purpose. It's a MOBA and each time a new avatar is released it's overpowered, seemingly on purpose to make players buy-up to have it and then after a month or so it gets adjusted to where it should have been in the first place.

It appears the Devs won't be happy until all of Cyrdiil is just one class; which it pretty much is close to being now.

Do the Devs play this game and if so, they must be DragonKnights and enjoy easy-mode.

Attorneyatlawl · May 2014

Zafu wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

I played a LOT of MMOs , NEVER i saw such completely broken crap right out of the game start like this.

Mate that 1.1 better bring the greatest balance miracle ever seen in a MMO.

Yep. Been playing since 97; when UO released and can't understand how this DragonKnight class made it out of the test server in this state, let alone continues in the same manner. It's not even a discussion as it's so obviously messed up and OP.

This actually reminds me of something I think another game does on purpose. It's a MOBA and each time a new avatar is released it's overpowered, seemingly on purpose to make players buy-up to have it and then after a month or so it gets adjusted to where it should have been in the first place.

It appears the Devs won't be happy until all of Cyrdiil is just one class; which it pretty much is close to being now.

Do the Devs play this game and if so, they must be DragonKnights and enjoy easy-mode.

Bright Wizard ring a bell? If you think a DK is OP you would have probably had a heart attack at the sight of BW/Sorcs in WAR

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DK's are slightly stronger than the other 3 classes in this game at their specialty which is aoe. Just as a sorc is best at mobility and shutting people down with negate. Good players use the right tool for the job they're trying to do and succeed, news at 10?

In my opinion, spend more time getting better as a player instead of complaining people are better than you (not you specifically but a general you).

galiumb16_ESO · May 2014

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Tested today, dropped my banner, no ultimate continued to generate from banner damage on its own on zombies. This also has been mentioned in the patch notes as having been changed. If you have found a replicable test situation in which banner damage itself is generating ultimate, then you should bug report it. It sounds to me like you are confusing dropping a banner and then using normal abilities to generate ultimate, which they always do regardless of if a banner is present or not.

Ultimate gains are different in PvP, might be worth testing on players rather than zombies.

Attorneyatlawl · May 2014

galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Ultimate gains are different in PvP, might be worth testing on players rather than zombies.

Hasn't been any different for me in the past with controlled duel tests. Might be worth taking a look at doing controlled tests rather than just going out into a zerg and speculating

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galiumb16_ESO · May 2014

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Ultimate gains are different in PvP, might be worth testing on players rather than zombies.

Hasn't been any different for me in the past with controlled duel tests. Might be worth taking a look at doing controlled tests rather than just going out into a zerg and speculating .

Not sure I understand your response. You did test the banner drop on players in a controlled duel test and it didnt gain ultimate? Or did you mean you disagree that ultimate gains are different in PvP and that you assume I am speculating?

In case it is the later, my comment was a suggestion on how to further the test as I do not have my own DK to test with and I am interested in the answer. Mutagen def creates ultimate differently in PvE vs PvP and I have wondered at the extent of this issue. Is it skill based, intentional benefit since healing gets screwed ultimate wise, or maybe linked to something like an AP earning check and thus a wider issue. Thus my curiosity on checking it against players in comparison to the test you already did on zombies. Sorry if you found that offensive in some way.

sagitter · May 2014

Roots cc should be like in daoc , if u get damage while being rooted it breaks the root state.

beravinprb19_ESO · May 2014

sagitter wrote: »

Roots cc should be like in daoc , if u get damage while being rooted it breaks the root state.

With all due respect, that would make roots completely worthless outside of PvE. A change to how they work is needed, but lets not go and ruin the whole concept, yeah?